Asian women minding her own business, kicked in the face at the Green Line Dale station

The SPPD can catch them all day, and the Ramsey County Attorneys office will
release them.

Thanks Anne. Great points, great questions.
 
Joe
 
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 8:41 AM Anne Carroll <<email obscured>> wrote:
 
> There is no world in which any of us should ever tolerate such an
> unprovoked and brutal assault on anyone, anywhere. Further, it smacks of
> continued violence against Asians around COVID-19, which is
> increased/expanded shockingly.
>
> I *understand* that the survivor has not yet been found/come forward,
> which affects what charges can and cannot be brought against the alleged
> perpetrators. Can anyone shed more light on those legal issues AND on ways
> we can *all* help prevent/interrupt race-based violence?
>
> -- Anne Carroll
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Anne R. Carroll (she/her/hers), M.Plan.
> Highland Park
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Saint Paul Issues Forum <stpaul-issues@forums.e-democracy.org> On
> Behalf Of John Krenik
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 11:15 PM
> To: stpaul-issues@forums.e-democracy.org
> Subject: [SPIF] Asian women minding her own business, kicked in the face
> at the Green Line Dale station
>
> Hi All,
>
> When I saw this I was really sickened at how these youths could do this to
> another an old woman just waiting for the Green Line train. It seems that
> the woman didn't report it. The three youths were arrested today (good
> work SPPD).
>
> Here are the links and you decide for your self!
>
> WCCO:
>
https://wccoradio.radio.com​/articles​/news​/three​-teens​-arrested​-for​-allegedly​-kicking​-older​-woman
>
>
>
https://www.instagram.com​/p​/B​_z9yS8BOj0​/​?utm​_source​=ig​_embed​&​;utm​_campaign​=embed​_video​_watch​_again

Chuck,
 
As an assault victim myself, I can attest to what you stated. The victim needs
to come forward and these individuals need to be held accountable!
 
In my case when I was assaulted as a teacher I was working with special
education students who had behavior needs. Three 16 year old students who were
from another school (Como H.S.) came into my building looking to do harm to one
of my students in my classroom. I was teaching 7th and 8th grade at the time.
I closed my two classroom doors, one at the front and rear of my classroom. I
has closed the door closest to the intruders first and was closing the front
door when one of my students opened the rear door and let the intruders into my
classroom. Back in the day we didn't have radios or phones in the classroom to
call for assistance, and I was alone. I prevented these truant students from
hurting the student they were after. In the process I was assaulted (hit in
the chest), but I was able to get them out of my classroom and shut the doors
to the classroom so they couldn't get into my classroom.
 
I was in the process of directing these three students to the office that was
located just about halfway down the hallway to my classroom. As we were
walking down the hallway, two of the students turned and started punching me in
the head, one in front and one from behind. These were strong 16 year old
students and I was outnumbered like this Asian woman was. Another teacher saw
what was happening and came to my assistance. These three students took off as
more staff came to help and they were later arrested at Har Mar Mall.
 
Medically I was hurt very badly, as my retina in one eye was detached and due
to these injuries some 26 years ago, this has resulted in the simple fact I am
going blind!
 
To date, no one from the SPPS district office (360) has ever contacted me to
see if I was all right. Sure I filled out the needed forms for an injury on
the job. No one from the union ever contacted me to see if I was okay either,
and I was one of the building union stewards. The only person who contacted me
was school board member Tom Conlon who was a good friend of mine! Being a
non-tenured teacher at the time, I had to walk a very fine line, as I needed a
job to feed my family. A day or so after the assault my building principal
called me down to the office and stated that a Pioneer Press reporter was on
the line who wanted to know what was going on, as someone from our building had
called the press. Again, being a non-tenured teacher, I had to be very careful
what I said to the press. During our conversation with the Pioneer Press
another teacher interrupted our call and he came into the principal's office
and placed a handgun on the principal's desk that he had taken away from
another student. Our principal not missing a beat berated the Pioneer Press
reporter for not reporting on all the good things that where happening in SPPS
all the while looking at the handgun that was placed on her desk.
 
The Ramsey County Attorney who was prosecuting the case was a BIG
disappointment, as he made a plea with the assaulting students that I felt was
very inappropriate based on the nature of my injuries. It seemed that he was
more concerned with closing out the case and move onto the next case and to
hell with me the victim!
 
This is very personal to me seeing this woman assaulted like that. In my case
there was more concern for the assaulters, instead of the victim. I never took
the school district to task for not locking the school doors, as I felt this
would be taking away dollars from students who needed it.
 
Years later it was passing time and I was going up the stairs with the other
students who were going to their classes. Just as I was nearing the top of the
stairs, two students got into a major fight. One of the students was a student
I had on my special education caseload. Long story short I had nowhere to go
and the fighting students knocked me down a flight of stairs. My glasses went
one way, my papers went another direction and I hit my head and knee several
times on the stairs going down to the bottom of the stairs.
 
I was told to write up the situation and as I was icing my knee and head and
writing the report, my building principal brought down my special education
student and directed me to supervise him, all the while I was icing my head and
knee and writing my report. I was told to watch this student until his father
came to pick him up. All the while this student was giving me crap (verbal
abuse) about my injuries and that I was faking it. My building principal put
me in a very unsafe situation. Nothing ever was done to hold this principal to
account and this principal is still working for SPPS.
 
I gave a lot to SPPS, my talents, my eyesight and how did they thank me, they
were not there for me when I needed it most! They just didn't care! The
Ramsey County Attorney's Office was more concerned in closing out the case, as
the attorney handling the case didn't care either! So in the future when I am
talking to any of you at some future event and I accidently bump into you or
don't see you due to my diminished eyesight, I sincerely apologize in advance,
as it is not on purpose or that I am ignoring you, I just can't see you.
 
John Krenik
St. Paul, MN

Latest info (I can find on Pioneer Press website) is that 3 young people
"are in custody" because of this incident:
https://www.twincities.com​/2020​/05​/07​/3​-juveniles​-in​-custody​-in​-videotaped​-attack​-of​-woman​-on​-st​-paul​-light​-rail​-platform​/
Here's a portion of the article
"By MARA H. GOTTFRIED <https://www.twincities.com​/author​/mara​-gottfried​/> |
<email obscured> | Pioneer Press
PUBLISHED: May 7, 2020 at 10:05 a.m. | UPDATED: May 7, 2020 at 5:15 pm
.m. "Three teens are in custody after a video posted to social media
<https://www.instagram.com​/p​/B​_0GSMQnYaN​/​?igshid​=xafstgoqlm4w> showed a
male kick a woman in the face on a light-rail platform in St. Paul, Metro
Transit police said Thursday.
 
After police learned of the incident on Tuesday afternoon
<https://www.twincities.com​/2020​/05​/06​/police​-investigating​-after​-video​-surfaces​-showing​-male​-kicking​-female​-in​-face​-on​-light​-rail​-platform​/>
investigators worked to put together what happened. Their investigation was
initially based on the video because a report had not been filed in the
case.
 
“For our officers to be able to take that one strand and be able to pull at
it and unravel some of the mystery behind it was quite the ordeal to
watch,” said Howie Padilla, Metro Transit spokesman. “… We wish this had
never happened. We can’t forget that there’s a victim here that for no
reason whatsoever became part of this incident. Our job is to hold the
people accountable for what happened.”
 
Police arrested a 14-year-old male from Maplewood on suspicion of
aggravated assault. Two 15-year-old males — one from St. Paul and the other
from Minneapolis — were also taken into custody."
 
This is a portion of the article, updated most recently at 5:15 PM

Dennis,
 
I have to correct you, as the arrests were made by SPPD after viewing the
video. As reported by WCCO, "The arrests came a little more than 24 hours
after police became aware of the video with help from St. Paul Police."
 
Dennis it was a multi jurisdictional law enforcement effort to apprehend these
youths who assaulted this woman. SPPD has a larger intelligence data resources
than Metro Transit PD. It was good police work by all of the law enforcement
agencies working together.
 
BTW - The Ramsey County Jail daily booking report doesn't list juveniles, only
adults and the arresting agency is thus not disclosed.
 
You are correct that the trains do stop at 9:00 P.M. As to what this woman was
doing at this time of night or what she was doing is a person's best guess.
Maybe she didn't know the trains had a new schedule change* (*4-18-2020 Metro
Transit). With that being said, this woman should be able to go anywhere in
our city and not be assaulted like this! NOTHING gives these individuals the
right to assault this woman!
 
Sunday is Mother's Day and I wonder if they would dare to treat their own
mothers the way they treated this woman?
 
Dennis in regards to your comment of the youths being in violation of the
Governor's Stay at Home order and perhaps the curfew law? Have you seen the
headlines in our newspapers? In St. Paul we are on track this year to have
another record setting year of shootings and deaths, as we had last year. We
are already up to 9 shooting deaths, where as last year at this time we were at
10. This Stay at Home order is basically being followed by law abiding
citizens and these nefarious indeviduals seem to feel that this Stay at Home
order really doesn't apply to them.
 
Dennis, I wish you well and that you and your family are safe. It is always
good to have a good conversation with a fellow involved union leader such as
your self!
 
John Krenik
St. Paul, MN

I see your point. Thanks, Dennis, for clarifying. I apologize for second
guessing your comment.
 
Sage
 
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 2:27 PM Dennis Hill <<email obscured>>
wrote:
 
> Her reason for being at the station could be relevant to identify her
> assailants and prosecution of the case. Had she been at the station an
> hour or 5 minutes? Did she know the suspects or were they strangers? Were
> they at the station when she arrived or did they arrive after she did? Was
> she being pursued and was seeking help at the station? Had another party
> dropped her off at the station? All questions that might be relevant to the
> investigation. I wasn't asking to be judgmental about the wisdom of her
> being at the station.
>
> Dennis Hill
> St. Paul
>
> On Saturday, May 9, 2020, Sage Holben <<email obscured>> wrote:
>
>> Why the woman was there at that time may be a matter of curiosity, but
>> what has it to do with her being a possible victim of violence or receiving
>> unwanted attention from anyone?
>>
>> Sage Holben
>>
>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:19 PM Dennis Hill <<email obscured>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we all need to reserve judgement until we have more facts in this
>>> case. A bit early in the investigation to be assigning a motive when it
>>> hasn't even been established that the individuals arrested are the guilty
>>> parties. Hopefully the victim will come forward and file a report with
>>> the
>>> police and perhaps shed more light on the motives of the individuals
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> She might also be able to explain why she was at the light rail station
>>> at
>>> that hour since rail service had ended for the night at 9pm. If the
>>> suspects are her assailants why was this group out at this hour in
>>> violation of the Governor's Stay at Home order and perhaps the curfew
>>> law?
>>> Why where they in St. Paul at this location when 2 of the suspects do not
>>> live in St. Palul? Have the parents of the suspects been involved in
>>> the
>>> investigation since they are minors?
>>>
>>> And let's acknowledge the work of the Metro Transit Police Department
>>> (not
>>> the St. Paul Police Dept.) who lead the investigation before a report was
>>> even filed by the victim.
>>>
>>> I think what we can all agree on at this point is that if in fact a crime
>>> was committed those responsible should be held accountable what appears
>>> to
>>> be a senseless act of violence against a especially vulnerable victim.
>>>
>>> I heard on the radio that it has been reported that a retaliatory attack
>>> has occurred in response to the initial attack. Not good.
>>>
>>> Dennis Hill
>>> St. Paul
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 7, 2020, Joe Nathan <<email obscured>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Latest info (I can find on Pioneer Press website) is that 3 young
>>> people
>>> > "are in custody" because of this incident:
>>> > https://www.twincities.com​/2020​/05​/07​/3​-juveniles​-in​-
>>> > custody-in-videotaped-attack-of-woman-on-st-paul-light-rail-platform/
>>> > Here's a portion of the article
>>> > "By MARA H. GOTTFRIED <
>>> https://www.twincities.com​/author​/mara​-gottfried​/>
>>> > |
>>> > <email obscured> | Pioneer Press
>>> > PUBLISHED: May 7, 2020 at 10:05 a.m. | UPDATED: May 7, 2020 at 5:15 pm
>>> > .m. "Three teens are in custody after a video posted to social media
>>> > <https://www.instagram.com​/p​/B​_0GSMQnYaN​/​?igshid​=xafstgoqlm4w> showed
>>> a
>>> > male kick a woman in the face on a light-rail platform in St. Paul,
>>> Metro
>>> > Transit police said Thursday.
>>> >
>>> > After police learned of the incident on Tuesday afternoon
>>> > <
>>> https://www.twincities.com​/2020​/05​/06​/police​-investigating​-after​-video​-
>>> > surfaces-showing-male-kicking-female-in-face-on-light-rail-platform/>,
>>> > investigators worked to put together what happened. Their
>>> investigation was
>>> > initially based on the video because a report had not been filed in the
>>> > case.
>>> >
>>> > “For our officers to be able to take that one strand and be able to
>>> pull at
>>> > it and unravel some of the mystery behind it was quite the ordeal to
>>> > watch,” said Howie Padilla, Metro Transit spokesman. “… We wish this
>>> had
>>> > never happened. We can’t forget that there’s a victim here that for no
>>> > reason whatsoever became part of this incident. Our job is to hold the
>>> > people accountable for what happened.”
>>> >
>>> > Police arrested a 14-year-old male from Maplewood on suspicion of
>>> > aggravated assault. Two 15-year-old males — one from St. Paul and the
>>> other
>>> > from Minneapolis — were also taken into custody."
>>> >
>>> > This is a portion of the article, updated most recently at 5:15 PM
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Joe Nathan
>>> > Highland Park, St Paul
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