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| Nathan | Proposal for Christchurch boy racer solution.ppt | May 22 22:56 UTC |
Mayor Bob is out of his depth on the boy racer issue.
While he was pluming and endearing himself toward future central body
politics on TV, film scenes in the background showed the lads pouring slicks
on the road, burning up, lifting the cars at rear for burn out starts,
biffing bottles at the law and so on in Harper Avenue.
Wharrt ? No arrests.
Listen up Bob,
Mark Ross [ Mayoral candidate] has better ideas, and so do I .. we have a
better plan than your weak submission to Government to measure noise levels at
90 decibels.
You talking TV PC Bob and it ain’t no use.
Get the big paddywaggon down there, and maybe some cop dogs
Round up offenders, and place them in the back of wagon.
After each arrest for public nuisance, dangerous driving and so on .. get the
Cops back on the street and keep them arresting till the burn out noise stops.
Your TV blurb is good for the middle classes and blonde TV girl Bob, but no
good to stop problem.
If the media can take film of the lawlessness then so than the Cops. I can do
it if necessary. Get Citizens to help, enlist film crews for evidence and lay
charges
Charges
Public nuisance, dangerous driving and so on.
No use standing in the middle of the road for a photo opp Bob.
Answer here Bob.
I read in todays paper that boy racers are meeting with Bob Parker on thursday to ask for land to do burnouts on. That's BURNOUTS .... they look like this : http://tinyurl.com/342qr9 A pastime where the person who pollutes the most is the winner ? Wonder which is going to be the lucky community which hosts this "facility", what fun ! Hundreds of noisy cars and polluting smoke - hmmmm I wonder ? Any volunteers ? Paul :It isn't up to Council or the Mayor to organise arrests. It seems to me that Bob Parker is doing a pretty good job with these little toerags . All Council CAN do is keep moving them on, make life uncomfortable for them. I think this tactic has another spin off, a fellow from Helmores Lane was quoted in the Press as saying " I used to have a lot of sympathy for them, not any more " . The more people who get to see for themselves just how bad this problem is the better, there has been too much tolerance and head patting. Its all very well to say "arrest them" but you grab a handful of boyracers and charge them with rioting, burnouts etc etc, its very hard to make charges stick in Court , the only thing worse than seeing them not getting arrested is seeing them slouch out of Court smirking because they got off on some kind of technicality Out here we've seen one or two police cars heading into a crowd of hundreds of boyracers , being attacked with bottles, rocks and having to retreat with broken windows and damaged cars. These scenes always happen on Friday & Saturday nights, the busiest nights of the week for Police anyway. More Police maybe? A squad dedicated to Boyracers for 12 months ? Its going to take a long time to rid NZ of this problem - i used to think high fuel prices would help - but these people car pool ( wow ..almost green) Keep moving them on Bob, the more people they p*ss off the better. Who knows , maybe more parents will start to teach their children at a young age to respect the rights of others. Speaking of which, you wonder what chance there is of that when you know that Police stopping a car (attending Burnouts out here, at 2.00 am one saturday night) were staggered to find a two month old baby in the car.
" We could save more oil by banning school kid deliveries than by banning
burn-out pads...."
I'm not talking about saving oil when i rail against burnouts, i'm talking
about the obscene ,blatant pollution and disrespect for the environment that
burnouts epitomise. Of course there is also the noise .
Shall we just turn a blind eye to a pastime that belches out toxic smoke and
squanders tyres because someone else is also polluting ? In that case lets all
just give up because there will always be a bigger polluter than you or I and
if they're not going to stop then why should we ?
Should ChCh City Council - and by extension- Ratepayers, be in the business of
supporting a practise thats very intent is to pollute ?
We're not allowed to burn tyres for a very good reason... slowly this foul
practise (of burnouts) has morphed into a "sport" but only, I suspect, because
most people have no idea what a burnout looks like... lets hold Burnout Comps
in Cathedral Square or in Mall carparks, let people make informed choices about
whether we should be building Burnout Pads.
While I definately have some sympathy for your problem, I have to comment
that I used to do burnouts on my motorbike. I paid for them, they were my
tyres. It wasn't particularly noisy or smelly either. Its 1-2 minutes of
fun, providing you can stay upright LOL.
I was at a 60th birthday on the weekend. Males and some females were
discussing what they would have done with the new whizzy cars young people
have now. There was quite a bit of enthusiasm.
Lets keep some perspective here. Do you really wish environment police on
your grandchildren ? What is the world coming to . . .
We shouldn't call these drivers "boy racers" or "girl racers" - they won't or
can't equip their vehicles to an appropriate standard to actually race.
We shouldn't call them hoons either - in my youth (only 25 years ago) hooning
involved actually driving, not ruining tyres, making lots of pollution and
didn't involve so much anti-social behaviour.
We should call these spoilt individuals something like "road rats" as they are
a plague we could do without.
I wouldn't provide these road rats any facilities at all. If they are provided
facilities then someone has to set some rules & manage the facility. These road
rats don't want rules - they simply want the freedom to show off and annoy
others.
If road rats would obey rules then there are plenty of opportunities already
for them to be involved in motorsport. Wanda Shaw has told us how much Ruapuna
Raceway is used and what the effect on the community is. Who wants a road rat
burn-out pad withing earshot of their home? I'm sure Wanda & her community
don't want these rodents back in her neighbourhood at night doing burnouts.
What is needed is more enforcement of the current road rules. Confiscate the
vehicles of the road rats & sell them to recoup the fines and costs of
prosecutions. Make the road rats do community service - cleaning up the rubbish
in our gutters & on our roadsides.
Driving is a privilege not a right & the road rats need to learn this.
Mark Alexander
R.D. 5
Christchurch.
I thoroughly agree with your sentiment, but automatic confiscation is going
too far. It should be impounding, with community service to regain the
(usually) desirable vehicle. And confiscation only if they don't play the
game. Involving prosecutions is just more jamming up of our already
overcrowded courts, and probably very counterproductive. The only problem
I can think of is where would the police or local councils put the impounded
cars. Civilians could administer it. The police are already overworked.
Last night I re-watched both the youtube vids posted in the earlier
thread. The noise at Barbara's house would certainly be really
mind-disturbing over the very long hours 'racers' are allowed to operate
their vehicles with little decibel restriction. The other one, a
1.45long burnout was pretty awful, they cheat by putting oil on the
road, which
we never did. It was a special occasion thing, not a way of life. And a
skill thing, being able to sit in one place, ie. control your vehicle. I
don't understand, they must buy special old tyres specially to do that, or
are they really that wasteful and stupid LOL
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Mark Alexander <
Boy Racers; Alcohol... ipsofacto youth drug policy in disrepute.
Bob will meet with Boy Racers but his mayoral office staff 'protect him' from
the real debate, intersectorial analysis of crime, security and "drug policy".
He intends to talk tough and do nothing, pretending there is no legitimate
debate surrounding this issue. Yet he need look no further than his Sister
City.. Seattle where CIVIL SOCIETY has addressed its self to this issue.
The principal objectives of the Seattle initiative are: reductions in crime and
public disorder; improvement of the public health; better protection of
children; and wiser use of scarce public resources. It is notable that
"stressing youth development in general and the maintenance of healthy
behaviors and healthy relationships rather than a fear-based approach" has been
core to the solution there.
Initiated to address:
- the failure to reduce problematic drug use, particularly among children;
- dramatic increases in crime related to prohibited drugs, including economic
crimes related to addiction and the fostering of efficient and violent criminal
enterprises that have occupied the unregulated and immensely profitable
commercial market made possible by drug prohibition;
- skyrocketing public costs arising from both increased drug abuse and
increased crime;
erosion of public health from the spread of disease, from the concealment and
inadequate treatment of addiction and from undue restrictions on proper medical
treatment of pain;
- the abridgement of civil rights through summary forfeitures of property,
invasions of privacy and violations of due process;
- disproportionately adverse effects of drug law enforcement on the poor and
persons of color;
- and the clogging of the courts and compromises in the effective
administration of justice, as well as a loss of respect for the law.
Professional and Civic Coalition for Drug Policy Reform
The King County Bar Association has continued to strengthen links with other
organizations in the professional and civic communities. Nowhere else in the
nation has such a coalition of groups been activated on drug policy reform
issues to this extent. The KCBA Drug Policy Project is guided by the Steering
Committee, which meets regularly and includes the current and former KCBA
presidents, the KCBA executive director and delegates from the following
organizations:
King County Bar Association (www.kcba.org)
Church Council of Greater Seattle
King County Medical Society
League of Women Voters of Washington
Loren Miller Bar Association
Municipal League of King County
National Alliance on Mental Illness of Washington
Seattle League of Women Voters
Washington Academy of Family Physicians
Washington Osteopathic Medical Association
Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility
Washington Society of Addiction Medicine
Washington State Bar Association
Washington State Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics
Washington State Medical Association
Washington State Pharmacy Association
Washington State Psychiatric Association
Washington State Psychological Association
Washington State Public Health Association
The Washington State Bar and Medical Associations, with encouragement and
guidance from the KCBA, adopted their own resolutions in 2001 stating official
positions on drug policy.
I offered to bring to Christchurch one of the prime movers of this concept,
Senator Roger Goodman, under teh auspices of Mr Gary Moore's "Time To Talk" but
it can be assumed from the non-response from Mr Bob Parker's office that he
would rather cow-tow to his inner city developers need for alcohol outlets than
seek durable and sustainable evidence based solutions...
Perhaps we need to go back to the beginning. How are these young people
affording these cars, the fuel and the tyres?
Is credit too easy in this country? I think it is, not just for young people
buying cars but adults buying household goods, cars, holidays in fact, anything
they want. The nation is now paying for it with high interest rates.
Everyone needs to learn to save first, spend later. Sure, not so much fun NOW
which is what everyone wants.
The driving age needs to be raised, alcohol sales restricted to 10am to 12pm
and deposits on finance brought back.
On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 10:09 +1300, Margaret wrote:
> Perhaps we need to go back to the beginning. How are these young people
affording these cars, the fuel and the tyres?
> Is credit too easy in this country? I think it is, not just for young people
buying cars but adults buying household goods, cars, holidays in fact, anything
they want. The nation is now paying for it with high interest rates.
> Everyone needs to learn to save first, spend later. Sure, not so much fun NOW
which is what everyone wants.
> The driving age needs to be raised, alcohol sales restricted to 10am to 12pm
and deposits on finance brought back.
Yes, it would be interesting to get some more youthful perspectives on
this forum :-) Perhaps if you're young and you see how difficult it is
to save for a house, maybe you just don't bother and spend all your
money on cars, alcohol, drugs, etc., instead.
Unfortunately, us grownups have shown the way to some extent, by
assuming that owning a house *was* saving your money so why put any
actual cash aside ? That strategy is starting to look a bit faulty now,
isn't it ? Unless you've already managed to get debt free ...
hello there,
I am a mother of two teenage boys 20 and 22 obviously they are both into their
cars. The fact is the problem at present is that with new laws being
introduced frequently parents are at their witts end as they cannot control
their children. I on the other hand have had control of my children from the
start but this does not stop them being pulled over by the police randomoly and
getting issued with speeding tickets for uneccessary excelleration etc...
instant loss of license for 6 moths. Good you would say. I agree if indeed
the boy racers are doing this. In our cases we did fight back with lawyers as
the boys were adament that they did not race. We even hired someone to measure
the road distance etc.. and had the police come and drive my sons 1600 Subaru
with a dying engine to test the speed 3 times at the back of Burnham camp, they
even stated that the car could not have got up to the speed that was issued on
the night at such a short distance. Still the officer who booked my son stated
he wanted another notch on his belt before he left the force. And we all no
Police have the last say.my son he lost his license. We have now resorted to
putting a tracking and speeding devise in their cars as we are sick of
receiving infringement notices with fines such as excesive noise, in an area
they do not go, speeding, failing to stop at lights etc. We have reeived so
far some infrigement notices sent through the mail sice having the devises
fitted and could prove that the son in question was not in that area and infact
the car was parked in the garage or outside his work. These devises are
monitored by Navman/Telecom Satalites and we pay $76.00 a month but it has
proved to be well worth it. Getting back to the issue of boys racing. Do you
think that the police are agrivaiting the situation a little. A majority of
the police are leaving serious cases and sitting in their unmarked cars pulling
up young drivers, not middle aged etc and almost always issuing them with
tickets. I sat on Bealey Avenue one night watching the antics out of the
police. The new trend now is "You are not wearing your seat belt OR it is not
accross your shoulder properly " $150 instant fine Come on! You do not know the
full story of how the youth are getting harased. This is just another way of
getting revenew. Local bodies should consider what the young people in
Christchurch want as well. It is their city and they are getting pushed form
pillar to post. They deserve to have a voice. There is a huge problem with
racing and drinking but it has always been there just it has been higlighted in
the media more over the past two years. When you were young did you ever get in
a car and drink and drive? Or did you every exceed the recommended speed limit?
I do think that to get around this problem is 1. Bring back the traffic police
who understand the nechanics of cars, they were friendly and fair for all and
knew what they were talking about when they pulled you up, or at least hire
more police with mechanical qualifications, this could possibly eleminiate the
unecessary issuing of fines to the youth which I do feel is contributing to the
retaliation at present.
Secondly, involve the youth in decision making. Ask them what they would like
to see happen over this problem. GET THEM INVOLVED. Thirdly, open Rapuna or for
them to use again, after all it is a speedway track. I do understand that this
was trailed but shut down due to the residents in that area kicking up a fuss
on noise. Again the boy racers have been penalised. They are not allowed to
gather in town as they used to in Big Fresh car park, they are not allowed to
drive up the hills, what is this city comming too?
I do think that this age of youth are being cornered like rats, there is not
much for them to do it is a void age. NOISE - well I do believe the noise
situation is out of control, but I think that by introducing new laws to reduce
the decibels from 95 to 90 will not achieve the results that are hoped for.
The boy racers not bogins dont care about noise, it is about showmanship, as
long as they have the big bore exhausts (silencers fitted)then they would be
fine with that. Reduce the decibels to 75 I say. I dont think that this will
happen, why you say? Because in order for this to happen can you image the
backlash of loss of revenew! for the Governement a) Companies who only sell
performance parts for cars would loose out,possibly go bust; imported cars
would decrease and the best of all the manufacturers of performance cars would
loose profits as this age of youth are the biggest buyers of perfromance cars
ooch! My concern is that these young people are the future of our economy and
if a solution is not agreed on shortly it will have a huge impact on our city
in the future. I am sure that everyone will agree that these youths under
normal curcumstances are good people and as I have said before if you are
cornered with no were to go you begin to retaliate. Instead of issuing fines
willy nilly, monitor this process more, if infact a racer boy is caught
speeding without doubt then introduce them to community work such as working in
A&E or Burwood spinal ward, or along side the Serious Crash Unit, this will
hurt more than a fine or loss of license. Introduce a defensive driving course
which is hands on not just theory work.
My final note is- Three weeks ago we were standing on Main North Road traffic
at this time was medium, lots of pedestrians, when a black car which came
squeeling and speeding excessive of a speed of 100K, in a 50K zone went through
a red light intersection What was it you ask, an unmarked police car, he did
not slow down at the intersection, he would not have been able to brake safely
if there was a need too; the flashing lights which were in the front grill
were not clearly visable from our angle of the road, and to me that seemed more
ridiculous than any Boy racer I have ever witnessed. Is this policeman above
the law? This was a potential hazard to all on-comming traffic and
pedestrians at the itersection. I am willing to discuss and be part of any
team to assist both parties fairly in comming to an amicable agreement or
solution, have a good and safe day to everyone.
WELL SAID Karen !!!
I am very very skeptical about police officers. I would rather have less
police than more. That's a sign of a healthier society, as Blair said.
NZ First wanted 1000 more police. they COULDN'T FIND them. So they lowered
their standards, and accepted those who couldn't do anything else in society
than to be 'official' bullies. Look at the sheriff attitudes in the States.
It's appalling... Actually Queensland police were said to be just as bad..
in the 80's.
The problem is that the police are now funded in such a way that they don't
have to ACCOUNT for the funding... especially when drugs are involved. They
have unlimited amounts for searching for drugs. And the more drugs that they
find, the more THEY think drugs are a problems.
Drugs equals alcohol too.
So the government gives them more money to 'investigate' drug crime, as
drugs as really really bad for you (well, that's what police keep telling us
because it benefits their 'cause')
It's the same with the boy racer bill. The more they target and arrest and
confiscate cars, the more the police can say 'LOOK , we proved it, it IS a
problem'... so they go on having legal license to continuing doing the same.
That 'boy racer' bill does not fit the bill for human rights. I can't
believe that parliament got away with it!
I see guys in their cars and I sometimes ask them... 'how many times have
you being stopped by cops'. They are being harassed !!
Can I say.. they are being 'bullied'.
Look at Karen's story ... they even PROVED that his car couldn't go that
fast. That is APPALLING for them NOT to be listened to.
So the circle goes... police can't hire good quality police so they hire
those out of high school who fit the mentality of 'we'll get them'. And
those with a social conscience leave the police force because they
themselves don't want to be bullied.
It's a cat and mouse game with HUGE consequences-- social, political, and
economical.
Boy racers !?! just the starting point of the attitude our society has
towards drugs and boys minorities in general- legal and illegal and those
that should be legal.
Thanks Karen for telling us the other side of the coin.
I see a lobby group starting... go girl go!
well..boy too :)
Hi Karen,
Thanks for your post. You are quite right that young people often feel
victimized by the public and the police. As in everything in life - when there
is a small number of people who behave badly in any distinguishable group
everyone else becomes a scapegoat.
I have been getting a few credible comments about police harassment on the
street and that is not acceptable. However frustrated the police and the public
are about the noise and disruptive behaviour on our streets, bully boy tactics
from "the establishment" won't fix it. We need strong, clear, laws that
everyone understands and that the police can enforce fairly.
You offer to be part of a team to look into this issue. I am offering to set a
group up and invite you and anyone else in the forum who would like to take
part to contact me by email or on 021- 387 521 so we can make a time to meet.
Cheers Nicky
Hi, GROWING UP I was interested to see boys of 20 and 22 years of age referred to as 'teenagers'. I had thought 'teen' meant up to nineteen. The inference is that there are 'boy' racers of much older age who have not 'grown up'. Human behaviours can modify with age, including those of autism with its intensity but lack of understanidng of other's feelings. I remember, I think, in one of the books on Waldorf education (Rudolf Steiner approach) about how children can develop through having regular events in their lives. It might be music lessons, or feeding the chickens.. Such rhythm allows them to develop their will, and I think it is that a developed will enables them to control their own behaviour. SUSPICIONS ABOUT MOTIVES URBAN COMPACTION Writers have to be quite venturesome to write on this discussion group, because we tend to expose one another to quite some analysis. Do I see the police under attack for making business for themselves.? But police can be helpful. And obviously health care workers can be, but I have heard some bad tales in USA where dieting promoters can get the overweight with available insurance to travel to another city for treatment, then get them psychiatrically confined till their insurance runs out. But anyway I get suspicious about all sorts of market matters.. Maybe you can help me through the suspicion that one driver in developing a compact urban form, where people have little land at hand for gardens, is going to reduce people's alternatives to paying large amounts of money for food. In Cuba when the oil supply stopped from USSR they started converting car parks to gardens. The price of oil is going up faster than many were forecasting. We should have such thing in mind when planning. There is also the impact of quakes an floods on the sewerage in a dense urban form. The dense dwellers are very vulnerable. There will usually be some sort of food around in say a 1/3 acre section. Plus the rules for stewardship of biodiversity and the activity in that could be added. RECREATION IN A COMPACT URBAN FORM In the Green Party submission to Plan Change 1 to the Regional Policy Statement the need is put for a compact urban form which gives people access to work, school and shops via climate-friendly transport. But what about to recreation? which is the reason for this article being in this thread. The Green Party submission refers to community greens, or enclosed open air spaces in between groups of dwellings. But what sort of recreation can happen? It looks like parties – booze markets, because the sort of back yard with lots of things to do won't be possible playing with solar energy plumbing &c. The Green Party suggest an ongoing forum into the effects of urban compaction. Will this proposed forum go into it? How do we encourage other forms of recreation than car driving, and also recreation which takes a car to get to it? In my submission to the RPS change I gave data on the importance of gardening as recreation. I was working out some of that submission on this forum so you may have seen some of this: <http://users.snap.net.nz/~bsandle/RPS_submission_Sandle.pdf> the morgan's valley photo is better here <http://users.snap.net.nz/~bsandle/morgans_valley.jpg> Second stage of submissions in support or disapproval of the origianl submission closes on 28 March. I haven't had much comment on my writing on this discussion group, too embarassed to say you agree with some points? Brian Sandle
Hi Nicky
Re: Boy Racers
The desire of the community is for people to be law abiding.
I favour repercussions that are short of criminalizing our youth where
possible. And repercussions that relate to the problem.
What do you think about:
1. Confiscating cars that are sporting illegal exhausts and or noise levels
and the owner having to pay to have it corrected (and stored )before getting
it back?
2. Making it illegal to have opened bottles of liquor in your car as in many
parts of the USA resulting in confiscation and an instant (no not a fine!)
duty to be done on street cleaning
Wendy Gilchrist
There was a forum about noisy cars which was lead by Nicky Wagner =
politician = party politics.
From what I heard about the forum and live public meeting which was held by
Nicky (National in disguise) is that not everywhere were able to talk and
voice their opinions when asked because some people in the audience were
very POOR LISTENERS to the point that they shouted down the person trying to
give their voice to the issue.
Guess who was trying to voice their opinion? the political rivel, Labour.
Which makes me very very doubtful about Nicky's agenda in all this because
she allowed her rival to be shout down-- even when someone in the audience
said that they were interested in "what the guy had to say."
When I said 'go girl go' to Karen... I really meant "go parents go!" No need
4 politicians because they don't listen. All they are interested is being
elected and looking as if they are interested.
It's just too easy for this to become an election agenda.
It's NOT just about SOUNDS BITES!
Karen said " Ask them what they would like
to see happen over this problem. GET THEM INVOLVED. Thirdly, open Rapuna or for
them to use again, after all it is a speedway track. I do understand that this
was trailed but shut down due to the residents in that area kicking up a fuss
on noise."
A brief history of the $70,000 burnout pad at Ruapuna :
Firstly, at a crowded meeting held at the local hall all but TWO of those
attending voted against a burnout pad being built out here. Boyracers who
attended the meeting said they weren't interested in it as it "wouldn't be as
much fun as street burnouts ".
Locals were told at the end of the meeting that they would have a say when the
Pad went for Consent. So we all lined up and wrote our names and addresses on a
sheet of paper so we could participate.
About a month later we all got a letter telling us the Pad was Non Notifiable
and was going in.
From memory it was used 2-3 times, there was a total lack of interest in it.
There were no complaints about the noise from it but there WERE complaints
about the attendant behaviour ( letterboxes mowed down, vandalism,, dangerous
driving etc etc, rubbish, bottles thrown from cars etc )
Boyracers complained that they were charged to use it ( GOSH ! how dare they
charge us ! ) and that rules were too strict - ie : it wasn't as much fun as
doing it on the road.
The Burnout pad is still there , $70,000 of ratepayers money went into it.
I too have two sons, they are into cars, but only as a means of transport, they
use them to travel to work and sport. They don't plough all of their earnings
into their vehicles, they've saved for travel and to put deposits on houses.
They both drive pretty beat-up looking cars but they have NEVER been stopped
randomly by Traffic police ( one of them is totally anal about speed limits but
mainly because he tries to save money on petrol by not speeding , accelerating
from lights etc etc ) Neither of them has had a ticket or demerit points and
neither of them feels they are targetted in any way because they are young
males in cars.
Having seen police cars leaving this area with shattered windscreens, having
seen these boyracers in mobs throwing stones and bottles at passing cars,
having picked up the appalling rubbish after their burnouts, having had our
property tagged, vandalised and watched our neighbours cowering in fear when
squadrons of boy racers descend upon our area, i'm sorry, i have NO sympathy at
all. Sorry.
I was catching up on the new on this subject the other day and i was surprised
to hear about a man who rammed a carload of Boy racers with his vehicle and
then proceeded to throw something through another vehicles window, resulting in
injury. There are also reported incidents where people are placing nails and
screws on the roads to puncture the tires of "Boy Racers" cars, last time i
checked they weren't the only ones using the roads and this could have serious
consequences to anyone who came across such a trap.
Does this new vigilante attitude not scare anyone else?
I myself am 26, Married and we own our own home. I consider My wife and myself
to be polite responsible adults and yet since our car matches the description
of a "Boy Racer" car we are targeted by the police when not doing anything
wrong at all. It is people like us who are likely to be affected by public
vigilante groups as emotions get high and things get out of control.
There are plenty of young people interested in cars who are responsible and are
getting blamed for the actions of a few, some of us are willing to help with
the situation but are often met with attitudes of disbelief and mistrust.
I think that if we treat the general problem with maturity and deal with the
idiots that are not willing to be responsible then the problem can be sorted
out with little or no conflict, However in order to do this we need to all act
maturely and responsibly in order to reach a solution, starting with listening
to each side and not getting on high horses and jumping the gun.
Anyway lets get on with being proactive and do something about the issues
rather than sitting at our computers battling it out with quotes, misconstrued
facts and insults.
Kind regards,
Nice to hear from you Ike,
I think there may be a bit of a vigilante feeling beginning. I'd say it is
fairly provoked. Although loud exhausts seem to be the bane of the problem,
in truth it probably isn't.
A loud car screams past pretty quickly - so by the time someone is affected
the thing has passed by.
Nah, I suspect it it the twits who throw bottles out car windows, unrinate
on our lawns, do burnouts in the driveway and out on the road, who park
outside a resident's house at 0400 Hrs (quite innocently) but fail to switch
the lumpy idle motor off, or those who play deep resonnant base on their car
stereos and set our teeth knocking when they are next to us or behind us
along Colombo St, the ones who along with the urinating and thrown bottles,
deposit all their fast food crap in the gutters and on our properties - then
Fuck me (if you pardon the expression on this forum) if some bastard doesn't
deface the front fence. No that guy probably doesn't have the IQ to get a
license - let alone own a car - but boy-racers will cop a bit of the blame
because of all the other issues I have just listed.
As I used to live in Denman St I know what I am talking about.
But you know, I admire many of the cars and I think many so-called boy
racers are pretty good drivers too.
But once you see a bunch of twits doing burnouts - oh, and deliberately
setting alight abandonded cars outside our homes then, sorry buddy ALL boy
racers catch the crap.
Just like all motor cyclists used to cop it when I was young.
Cheers,
Tim Kerr
Nicky Wagner wrote: > young people often feel victimized by the public and the police. As was said in Parliament in another context recently: Diddums. For another perspective, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq28qCklEHc FWIW, I support Marks suggestion that the term "boy racers" should be ditched. I quite like his suggested alternative of "road rats";but perhaps the Press might consider inviting readers' suggestions for an alternative with some kind of prize for the suggestion most expressive of loathing and opprobrium, and a commitment to use the phrase instead of the present ridiculo9us epithet. As for what should be done to/with the little rats and their vehicles, I'd be for turning them (the vehicles at any rate) to scrap before the eyes of the aforesaid rodent. (If they complain that life will be unbearable without their wheels, they can always be invited to sit at the wheel and go through the crusher too... ;-) W Shaw wrote: > Having seen police cars leaving this area with shattered > windscreens, having seen these boyracers in mobs > throwing stones and bottles at passing cars, having picked up the > appalling rubbish after their burnouts, having > had our property tagged, vandalised and watched our neighbours > cowering in fear when squadrons of boy racers > descend upon our area, i'm sorry, i have NO sympathy at all. Sorry. No need to say sorry, IMHO. If the police can't cope or aren't allowed to deploy the means by which they could cope, albeit. with rather drastic results then perhaps it's time for the NZ army to be called in to "aid the civil power"; its Light Armoured Vehicles carry equipment that could dispose of road rats in very short order. Perhaps unfortunately, pigs are more likely to fly...
*Diddums . . .
Perhaps unfortunately,
pigs are more likely to fly...*
Perhaps fortunately . . .
I'm very surprised to see you've written that Peter. No wonder the kids
don't listen, the adults don't either LOL
Howdy
Ike Andoit wrote:
>I cant believe the mature responses like, crush them in their cars or unleash
the army on them!
>i would have thought that this was a forum that more mature and responsible
people attended to actually post some relative and helpful comments.
>There are many ways to solve this problem and I along with others who are
passionate about cars are willing to help out
>
What are some of the ways you would solve this problem?
I cant believe the mature responses like, crush them in their cars or unleash
the army on them!
i would have thought that this was a forum that more mature and responsible
people attended to actually post some relative and helpful comments.
There are many ways to solve this problem and I along with others who are
passionate about cars are willing to help out but with responses like kill em
all etc then i am beginning to wonder why we are bothering to be honest, it
seems that no matter what we do we will all be considered "Boy Racers" and
therefore worthless to society and in a Hitler-esque fashion we will probably
be lined up and shot.
As i stated above, I am willing to do something about the problem and have
tendered a proposal to the Mayor as well as Nicky Wagner on the matter.
Although i am 26, Married and own my own home and dont go cruising every
weekend I am still referred to as a "boy Racer" just because of the car we
drive.
Yet Still i am here offering my help as are other people who are sick of people
interested in cars being tainted with the "Boy Racer" brush.
Although our offer has obviously not been taken seriously as I have not had any
response from anyone i have contacted for the last month or so.
I am beginning to think that if i got the "Boy Racers" organized and working as
a whole they could really get creative and cause major problems for
Christchurch whilst completely abiding by the law, imagine that, a host of new
problems that everyone could complain about and make bylaws for.
So perhaps we should actually get responsible and sort out the problem maturely
and effectively before the public starts Vigilante groups and harm innocent
bystanders or before the "Boy Racers" get organized and cause some real
headaches.
Food for thought anyway.
Hi there,
I have attached a PowerPoint presentation which i put together for the Mayor
and Nicky Wagner who i contacted at the beginning of March about my proposal.
I am certain there would be some tweaking needed but it was a rough draft of my
idea anyway.
I have also included a file on the forum and news research i did (not hugely in
depth but it was enough to give me a general idea of the situation when
accompanied by my experience with people in the "Boy Racer" scene.)
As well as an abbreviated collection of the relevant comments from my findings.
Hope this helps,
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Hi Nathan,
Thanks for that. It's good to have a representative of the, what would
you call it, car enthusiast community, here (seriously, do "boy racers"
like that label ? If not, what do they call themselves ?)
One thing I'm curious about - how are high petrol prices impacting on
this community's activities ?
Apologies for a recent intemperate post on this subject.
Unfortunately they do not just tyre mark the roads: today ,when we went for a
cycle ,it was with dismay, that we saw someone had driven over the footpath in
Bridle Path Road and ripped up the turf where families go for a walk in a park
area near Ferrymead.
I must ask you though Brenda, How are you certain it was a "Boy Racer"
responsible for that? It could well have been a family picnicking or a bike
riding vegan greeny who works for the spca ans sponsors 20 children that left
the marks. I know it was more likely a hoon but unless we are certain then it
is dangerous to make such assumptions without the evidence.
As far as the rising petrol prices go i guess they will just drive less and
gather "park up" more. a lot of them are still living at home and have little
or no rent to pay and are earning between $500-1200 in the hand a week so
petrol prices are most likely not noticed as much since they have a larger
disposable income.
I would also like to hear some feedback regarding my proposal if anyone would
be kind enough to take the time to read it.
Thanks again,
Nathan
Nathan from the wide area involved, there would be no space untouched for a
family to picnic ,or that they would enjoy looking at the damage.
I also forwarded my view of the area to the C.C.C parks dept.
I try not to assume without proof but the wheelie design looked similar to the
tyre marks on roads in my area.
Did anyone attend the "stop the noise" meeting last night? I am curious as to
what the consensus was from the meeting.
thanks.
boy racers will continue noise,
they are angry boys, and it because we have failed our male children,
Bob Parker one term MAYOR wants NATIONAL politician status.
You maybe correct but they to will grow up - buy their own home settle down
and raise a family so what's so wrong with us letting them know what we expect
If we have failed our young males pray please tell me what did we do to our
young males we sent to Europe between 1914 -19 and 1940 - 45 and would you have
a thought regarding the values previously learned from those sacrafices and
presently lacking that young ones perhaps are missing today
Colin king
Colin,
We have failed these boys otherwise they would not be as they are.
Boys brought up with kind discipline and involved Dads don't turn out like
this.
This problem was created two generations ago, when Socialism [ Norman Kirk
onward] promoted marriage dissolution,
and as well angry feminism blamed men for everything.
So now we have a permanent underclass of boys and men to give us the second
highest jail propulation in the OECD.
And it won't be cured by Bob Parkers moronic wide bore exhaust on his wife's
car.
It is not just the racing noise : its the occasional tragedy and the constant
vandalism and violence.
I have boy racers over the road from me, and I promise you antagonism to them
is not the answer.
It takes patience and kindness to turn them toward civil driving.
Now, as we know, the Police, underfunded as they are, have to be surrogate
male parents and introduce a zero policy.
But it is silly, and the boys know it.
There are only few Police on duty at nights and they can in no way cope with
the devil may care attitude of the boys.
Colin, Please advice our future PM and Caucus that a massive increase in Police
numbers is required.
This must not involve a crack down, that will only promote more violence.
When I am King, Colin I will introduce a petrol tax incentive for safe drivers.
Ask me how
Best regards Paul Scott
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