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The media branch of the democrat party has done it again.
Todays Star Tribune has a small note on the front page
saying information on the the Palin McCain stop in Blaine
today is on page A7. So I turn to page A7 and start
looking for the article. All I can find is four
mini-stories two attacking Palin and two in support of
Obama and a larger article about some "Orange Brigade"
theory. I keep looking thinking I've discovered an error
and I finally find a paragraph cleverly hidden near the
larger article with a couple details on the rally.
Folks the Star Tribune and the old school media in general
are in the bag for Obama. If you doubt it, you are brain
washed or brainless. If Obama was coming to town it would
have a major presence on the front page. I understand that
with the Left the ends justify the means but a country
cannot remain free very long without a free unbiased media
and freedom of speech.
Lee Surma
Maple Grove
Oh Lee, if only you were right, life for the lefties would be such a
nirvana.
Alas, the Strib is only out for itself and that is what works today.
Will you be as equally outraged when Obama comes to town and the tiny
little announcement for the event is hidden on a page of Praise for
McCain and Palin?
Yes, I'm a leftie, but I gave up on and canceled my subscription to the
Strib as corporate (and thus right biased) waist of natural resources
last year.
It would seem that only the people on the fringes will ever complain of
bias in the media, both fringes.
In actuality, I am guessing that neither is really right on that
complaint.
Media is corporate controlled blather, not really right or left, just
corporate crap.
For now I will stick with the Onion, knowing its just humor.
Ron Leurquin
Nokomis East
Lee shared:
Folks the Star Tribune and the old school media in general are in the
bag for Obama. If you doubt it, you are brain washed or brainless. If
Obama was coming to town it would have a major presence on the front
page. I understand that with the Left the ends justify the means but a
country cannot remain free very long without a free unbiased media and
freedom of speech.
I've come to the conclusion that newspapers reflect what the readership is
willing to tolerate in order to pursue their principal objective--advertizing
money. Were a newspaper to be entirely unbiased, no one would read it.
If the Strib seems to lean to the left (and if it does, it's just a hair from
vertical), it's because the greatest number of likely readers also lean
slightly to the left. In the main, I think that describes MN. Slightly to the
left of vertical.
What I find interesting is that you actually believe the media is a left wing tool. First of all, who owns the various newspapers and television stations that broadcast mainstream new? It certainly isn't anyone from the left. We also know that networks like CBS and NBC have made their news programming to profit centers and moved them to the entertainment division. That tells me that they value income from their corporate sponsors more then they value real reporting. Now tell me what side of the political spectrum these outlets come from. Mike Fratto Payne Phalen Please help those who don't get enough to eat. http://oyh.org http://hungersolutions.org The future depends more on what we do between now and then Than what we did in the past.
Well, Barack Obama and Joe Biden are just not as interesting when it comes to religion, i.e., Obama's associated clergy folks pale in comparison the color and eccentricity of those associated with McCain- Palin. John McCain has had a lot of help from folks like John Hagee, whom he has cut loose, but there have been calls for him to embrace Sarah Palin's beliefs (as would I), whatever they may be (we know that she embraces intelligent design along with Tim Pawlenty): http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/09/perkins.qa/ Sarah Palin's hometown church, Wasilla's Pentecostal Assembly of God, is the home of Alaska's Masters Commission, a group that believes that Alaska will be a refuge for American evangelicals at "The End of Days." Here's a youtube video if you have some time this weekend, mostly from the profit biased corporate media, that goes into more detail about her religion: When you look at the glimpses we get of Obama and Biden, it just isn't quite as interesting. Obama seems as boring as McCain when it comes to religious activity, but Biden keeps it more private, I guess. Pity his church doesn't; I think it came right down from the Pontiff to deny him communion. The Pioneer Press announced the McCain-Palin visit as well: http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_10501722 I guess they've flown in on McCain's private jet by now -- I'll call it "U.S. Corporate One," the replacement for the "Straight Talk Express" bus -- and things will be getting underway. Maybe it will be covered on some channel owned by Hubbard Broadcasting; I'm curious what Lee thinks of their news among our pathetic television news options.
The prevailing theory that large corporations are right
wing is a complete fallacy. Large corporations are
increasingly in bed with large government and not a friend
of conservatives or small business.
I think Wizards comments that the paper leans towards it's
constituency for profit purposes is probably pretty
accurate where as in Minnesota that would be Left.
My point on a "free unbiased media" is somewhat flawed.
All media is biased. The problem lies in large outlets
claiming to be unbiased when they clearly are biased. Now
I understand that most on the list don't get it because
all of the media they consume is biased left and
comprehending the middle is very difficult. The other key
problem would be when the only media available is biased
which has been the case for the last half century or so.
This is quickly going away with the Internet becoming the
primary source of information where there are thousands of
outlets and the consumer chooses their bias rather than
have it bestowed upon them by the elites. This is a clear
fundamental change and watch for governments and socialist
forces to try and stifle this progress.
Lee Surma
Maple Grove
The McCain stop in Blaine is on the front page of the online edition.
Of course, it mentions that Pawlenty will not be there.
There are actually links to how to get tickets.
What is not there is the refusal of Palin's husband to honor a subpoena
to testify before a legislative committee (which voted unanimously to
issue the subpoenas.) They Palins claim political motivation which is
strange since they first said they would cooperate with the committee.
I guess when they found out even the Republicans wanted answers they
changed their mind.
Wasn't it Republican legislators and big business that were proposing to
make the internet fee based rather than free?
Are the Republicans becoming Socialists now?
Ron Leurquin
Nokomis East
Lee shared:
This is quickly going away with the Internet becoming the primary source
of information where there are thousands of outlets and the consumer
chooses their bias rather than have it bestowed upon them by the elites.
This is a clear fundamental change and watch for governments and
socialist forces to try and stifle this progress.
> This is a joke? Right?
Socratic dialogue at its finest. I'm rarely disappointed.
And oh, joy - the "is the press liberal" argument. Again.
Look - yes. It is. Journalists from Mark Halperin of ABC News to Eric Black
of the Strib (oops - MNPost) are pretty up front about the fact that most
journalists, producers and editors lean left to one degree or another. It's a
key reason that talk radio and the blogosphere lean so hard to the right; it's
the sound of a vacuum being filled.
And while some publishers/station owners/network brass are Republicans, most
editors AND publishers are pretty proud of the fact that their views rarely
impinge on newsrooms. (And many, many of them - think the ownership and/or
publishers of the NYTimes, the WaPo, CNN, the Strib and many others - are by no
means Republicans).
And yep, to some of you slavering Wobblies, it might *seem* the press might
lean right; in the same manner, Denver is "way out east", if you live in
Sacramento.
Zzzzzzzzz. Who cares. Those of us with more than half a brain either ignore
the mainstream media completely (I haven't watched a network newscast since
probably 2002) or consume it the way Europeans do - knowing the biases, and
adjusting our consumption accordingly.
I'd suggest the same for the rest of you - but that'd mean actively engaging in
the process of becoming informed, rather than the traditional, hopelessly-naive
notion that the press is going to do your thinking for you.
And if more people could do that, the Democrats would be a third-party.
Mitch Berg
The Midway
This is pretty rich. A Minnesota right wing ideologue starts a topic thread with a party line accusation of liberal bias in a local paper and not one post following it suggests there is anything other than corporate profits driving news coverage. Then after a little consideration of this topic by others, Mitch Berg chimes in. If his linking habits are any indication, Berg reads nothing but blogs; given that predilection demonstrated in his post in this thread, perhaps we're seeing a bit of projection on the part of the right, i.e., accusing others of what you are actually guilty of. Surprise, surprise, Berg: IT IS all about the money. "IT IS the economy, stupid," as the Clinton campaigns propounded, and it is true of much of our lives in this country today still; if your job is to serve folks, then you are in trouble, whether in the public or private sector, because no one is making enough money to spread around. With unemployment rates reaching highs not seen for a long, long time, folks of any ideological stripe should not be surprised that news trends are not not all that different from the "Western Law of Gravity:" Water flows towards money. The news and modern civilization flows in the same direction. This bit about the employment rates was also in today's Strib: http://www.startribune.com/business/28601574.html I can agree with Berg -- with some notable broadcast exceptions like Fox, nationally and Hubbard Broadcasting, locally -- that coverage and reporting are pretty much in the hands of news staff, but there the agreement ends. It takes discipline and intelligence to report the news fairly and accurately, and there is still more fairness and accuracy in print journalism than anywhere else because they hire smart and well educated journalists (at least while they still had some ad revenue to pay them); everything else is sort of spotty. And the blogosphere that Berg loves so well? Perhaps a few citizen journalists cover local issues with more accuracy, but it is far more common to find a clear bias to content speaking less to facts and more to an audience of a certain ideological bent. But to get back to McCain-Palin at the Anoka-Blaine airport rally, Hubbard did indeed have it live on one of their channels. I watched some of it and the high point for me was when our first lady and Rep. Michelle Bachmann apparently decided that Senator McCain was not being heard (he was, I think) and the later interrupted a carefully rehearsed and practice stump speech. She rather patronizingly made John McCain look a bit more like a doddering fool. The real Mavericks, Minnesota voters and other independent thinkers, will put this country on a path away from this nonsense. McCain-Palin is the Double-talk Express, folks. This odd couple is campaigning on continuing the lasting Bush-Cheney-Republican- controlled-Congress legacy of war without funding, a country without jobs, and markets woefully without adequate regulation. We need the kind of change that only the Democrats can muster now, and we need to send these fiscally irresponsible fools and their party back to the drawing board.
The Minneapolis Spokesman Recorder has a story saying that, for Black people,
the percentage of unemployment is 10 point something percent. If you include
(1) people in the armed services, (2) "discouraged" workers, (3) people in
prison, and (4) the underemployed, the true picture is something like 10%+
overall. [Sorry, their web site is down for the moment.]
I don't give a rat's patootie if McCain or Obama comes here to press the flesh
and make nice. What I have to judge is whether, from what they say, their
respective past practices, and their first executive decisions (choosing a
veep), whether or not one of them is better able to get us out of this mess
we're in.
Since the mess is considerable, I'm not entirely hopeful of either possibility,
but there is a clear picture that Republican (I would limit that to the
neo-cons and their fellow traveler Republicans) hegemony for the last thirty
years with some interruptions, has not put us on a reliable financial footing.
I describe a reliable financial footing qua republic and democracy, as one
where there is a small number of the wealthy and uber-wealthy, a large and
growing middle class, and a small and shrinking lower class. (For those with no
class whatsoever, there's nothing to be done.)
It will take several presidencies for this mess to get straightened around, it
probably won't happen in my lifetime. So whether the Strib does a front page
item on a McCain or Obama visit is baloney and just another distraction--like
commercials but with less ability to change anything important.
I forgot to one thing to my response to Lee's original post. This post easily allows me to do it. Lee, maybe the reason you and others think our public media biased to the left is that factually reporting on this administration as well as the previous three and the respective Congresses seemed to constantly report on activities you don't approve. We are finishing a Presidency where they refused to provide accurate information regarding all aspects of government including the war. There were serious violations of law and a bunker mentality. Imagine what the news over the past eight years would have looked like if we actually had reporters who dug for the story much like Woodward and Bersteine. So why do you think it biased? Because you don't agree with what they report? Or is it news about McCain and Palin isn't making the front page? Aren't you one of those who think that we don't have any right to know the truth about Sarah Palin and her public service? Aren't you one of those who think her husband's membership in an Alaska seperatist organization and the fact that she actually spoke at its meeting doesn't need further scrutiny? Gee Lee, you want all the publicty when it suits your agenda but want to block information that shows people you agree with in a bad light. I think we have a right to know about the beliefs and background of all public candidates. Frankly we shouldn't have to wait until after the election to learn the truth about charges of abuse of power. We have lived through almost eight years already, I don't want another four. Mike Fratto Payne Phalen Please help those who don't get enough to eat. http://oyh.org http://hungersolutions.org The future depends more on what we do between now and then Than what we did in the past.
Miss Marks wrote:
> The Minneapolis Spokesman Recorder has a story saying that, for Black
> people, the percentage of unemployment is 10 point something percent.
Don't forget about the displacement of American (and Minnesota) workers
by the illegals. For every illegal that's hired, one American (or
Minnesotan) loses a job opportunity.
> If you include (1) people in the armed services, (2) "discouraged"
> workers, (3) people in prison, and (4) the underemployed, the true
> picture is something like 10%+ overall. [Sorry, their web site is down
> for the moment.]
Except for "discouraged" workers - probably meaning those who aren't
looking for work - the others classes don't belong in the calculation.
Neal Krasnoff
Minneapolis
N. Krasnoff: "Don't forget about the displacement of American (and Minnesota)
workers by the illegals. For every illegal that's hired, one American (or
Minnesotan) loses a job opportunity. Except for "discouraged" workers -
probably meaning those who aren't looking for work - the others classes don't
belong in the calculation."
When they count the unemployed, they count "Americans," (but only those born in
the US of A.) It requires another thread, which I am unwilling to start, to
deal with "illegals" and that they are taking "American" jobs. We only seem to
count the people of color, but those without a green card are from Europe as
well and they are coming here by the long ton.
"Discouraged worker" is a term used by the State of Minnesota. It refers to
those whose unemployment benefits have run out. Yes, if we want to continue the
false statistics about the percentage of unemployed, we will continue to
exclude soldiers, prisoners, and the underemployed. Soldiers muster out,
prisoners are returned to society (particularly since recent "official"
pronouncements saying that too many prisoners are in jail for trivial reasons
which needs to be dealt with through a community system), and the underemployed
have become a concern of state governments.
As Ken Kesey once remarked, "You're either on the bus or you're not."
I am not sure what Neal's comments were since I have blocked his posts. However, based on the comments in Wizards post, I find it necessary to respond. Most people don't know this but there are two unemployment rates. The first includes only those who are actively seeking work and are collecting unemployment insurance. This is the rate you normally see in newspapers etc. This rate includes anyone, I repeat anyone, regardless of nationality who has worked in insured employment. Yes there are still employers who do not have to pay into the unemployment fund, thus their employees are not covered. You do not have to be born in the US of A to qualify for unemployment insurance. Its possible to collect unemployment insurance even if you are an illegal and meet all the other qualifications. Of course, this is only possible if the employer failed to get the proper I-9 completed when the person was hired, or they overstayed their VISA. There is no citizenship test for unemployment insurance only wages paid over the first four quarters of the previous five quarters. The second is a rate that is calculated through statistical survey by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. This rate is determined by asking questions that include: Are you working? How many hours a week are you working? Are you going to school? Are you retired? etc. This survey determines the true rate of unemployment. The survey will include as unemployed anyone who is collecting UI as wel as those who no longer are looking for work because they are discouraged. This survey excludes a number of people in various categories such as students, retired persons, stay at home spouses, etc. The reason should be obvious. They are not in the workforce. This gets a little dicey when someone who has been unemployed for a long period may actually go back to school to get additional training. They are only in school to be able to get a job and likely would jump at a chance to go to work but they are still classified a student. As for Neal's comment about Illegals taking the jobs of Americans that has been proven wrong so many times, its not worth the effort to discuss this. Mike Fratto Payne Phalen Please help those who don't get enough to eat. http://oyh.org http://hungersolutions.org The future depends more on what we do between now and then Than what we did in the past.
Mike Fratto wrote:
> As for Neal's comment about Illegals taking the jobs of Americans that
> has been proven wrong so many times, its not worth the effort to
> discuss this.
For every job an illegal takes, an American worker is displaced.
Mr. Fratto, probably using studies that agrees with his political
ideology, is either completely ignorant or a liar.
Neal Krasnoff
Minneapolis
Neal,
In 2020, more people will be in need of retirement assistance, than the number
of school kids that require educational assistance. If an additional one
million more people will be in Minnesota, with their more than one million
cars, it follows then that most people in the workforce will have never seen
the inside of a Minnesota classroom.
Illegal immigration pales in comparison to the economic instability of the
States demographic profile.
Tim Nelson wrote: > In 2020, more people will be in need of retirement assistance, than > the number of school kids that require educational assistance. If an > additional one million more people will be in Minnesota, with their > more than one million cars, it follows then that most people in the > workforce will have never seen the inside of a Minnesota classroom. > > Illegal immigration pales in comparison to the economic instability of > the States demographic profile. There have been 456,551 aborted Minnesotans from 1975 to 2007. [1] Counting for those now-dead adults of child-bearing age, there's your cause of the "economic instability of [Minnesota's] demographic profile". That's alot of now-dead productive Minnesotans and taxpayers. Mr. Fratto, like Councilman Thune, thinks he does not have to listen to the benighted commoner, for he believes himself to be morally superior and needs to guide the proles in the correct way of thinking. This thread is now far off topic. Neal Krasnoff Minneapolis [1] http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/chs/abrpt/abrpt.htm
To get this thread back on topic, I'll offer this ad that can currently be seen
on the front page of Startribune.com. It seems that the Strib has put a
likeness of Palin in one of it's ads. I'll leave it up to others to decide if
this implies endorsement of Palin. I've uploaded a screen shot in case the ad
gets changed.
Matty Lang,
Midtown Phillips, Minneapolis
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On Sep 22, 2008, at 9:24 PM, Matty Lang wrote:
> It seems that the Strib has put a likeness of Palin in one of it's
> ads. I'll leave it up to others to decide if this implies
> endorsement of Palin.
I know I'm aging (in place) and my eyesight may be weaker than
before, but I don't see all that much "likeness." If the Strib were
really giving an endorsement, I'm pretty sure they'd have hired a
cartoonist that would have done a better job of creating a
likeness ... like the one below.
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It's absurd to think that the Star Tribune would ever give
an endorsement to Sara Palin. The facts are clear that the
Star Tribune and all the other sheep like newspapers who
follow the lead of the New York Times are trying to throw
this election. I noticed that the Strib said there were
10,000 people at the McCain Palin Anoka rally and others
were reporting 13,000. The Star Tribune should admit that
they are biased or as what is happening now is that most
educated people are aware of the bias and either ignore
the paper or read cautiously looking for and knowing the
bias.
Lee Surma
Maple Grove
Someone sent me a nice analogy and illustration posted somewheres or
other, wish I could say where, but I thought it belonged in this thread.
THE BEST OF THE WEEK :
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, whose hand
was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a
conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to
Palin and her bid. The old rancher said, 'Well, ya know, Palin is a
'Post Turtle''. Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked
him what a 'post turtle' was.
The old rancher said, 'When you're driving down a country road you
come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a
'post turtle'. The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's
face so he continued to explain.
'You know she didn't get up there by herself, she doesn't belong up
there, and she doesn't know what to do while she's up there, and you
just wonder what kind of dummy put her up there to begin with'.
Sorry, I forgot that this server software accepts pictures from me only online.
Here is the post turtle
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Where does this hatred for Gov. Palin come from that would make someone think
this anecdote is in some way funny?? Is she hated because she has been a
successful business woman?? Is she hated because she actually has executive
branch government experience, unlike the other three candidates?? Is she hated
because she inspires your wives (and they might expect you to support them in
their careers)?? Is she hated because she is a woman who lives a life
consistent with her spiritual beliefs??
If I inserted Obama's name in the story, I would instantly be accused of being
a racist.? I can only conclude there are a lot of angry, bitter, frustrated
people in this country who have bought into the propaganda that the government
somehow exists to make their lives easier at the expense of someone else, and
Gov. Palin is somehow a threat to keeping that myth alive.? If you honestly are
waiting for the government to make your life better, I can guarantee you will
be frustrated and disappointed.?
Pete Eggimann
Hastings
(Is there a MN connection to this thread?)
<email obscured> wrote: > Where does this hatred for Gov. Palin come from that would make someone think this anecdote is in some way funny?? Like most anecdotes, it serves to make a point. I do not see any hatred in it. > Is she hated because she has been a successful business woman?? I have scoured her official bio, it makes no mention of a business career. In fact, no reference to any business activities except for her husband's. http://gov.state.ak.us/bio.html > Is she hated because she inspires your wives (and they might expect you to support them in their careers)?? My wife, a physician, and my daughters who are physicians in training, are appalled by her extreme views, lack of basic knowledge of American politics. They know more about John McCain than she does based on the Katie C interview, (I'll get back to you on that" that being McCain's differences with the Republican Party) > Is she hated because she is a woman who lives a life consistent with her spiritual beliefs?? > As Christians, we find her ties to a witch hunting pastor, who even blessed her to ward off witchcraft, very disturbing. < If she was not a post turtle, the campaign would let her be interviewed by the press routinely, would let the press attend her meetings with foreign leaders and would let the American people form an opinion based on knowing her, not some Wag the Dog fiction created by Rovian PR gurus.
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:33:21 -0400, Peter Eggimann wrote:
>
> Where does this hatred for Gov. Palin come from
Who says anyone hates Palin? She's scary, in the same way as any other
ignorant and incompetent person who uses her office to settle personal
scores would be. Pity, maybe, but not hatred.
>Is she hated because she has been a successful business woman??
How is she a "successful business woman"? McCain advisor Carly Fiorina
was a successful business woman (well, if you overlook the fact that she
was fired from HP for running the company into the ground and being
involved in ethical scandals). But what major business has Palin run?
> Is she hated because she actually has executive branch government experience,
McCain himself has said "I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I
wasn't a governor for a short period of time" in touting his
qualifications to be President over others.
>Is she hated because she inspires your wives (and they might expect you to
support them in their careers)??
Um.. she doesn't inspire *my* "wives". Does she inspire *your* wives?
> Is she hated because she is a woman who lives a life consistent with her
spiritual beliefs??
I'm really not sure what her spiritual beliefs are (it appears that
believing that her enemies are witches is one), but apparently they
include using her office to settle personal and family scores. So I
doubt that I share (or respect) those beliefs.
>(Is there a MN connection to this thread?)
Only that we, like the other 49 states, would have to live with her if
she was elected.
>(Is there a MN connection to this thread?)
Nope. It's become an excuse for the left to vent.
No, I'm not a Republican, save the ad hominem.
Neal Krasnoff
Minneapolis
Pete Eggiman's parenthetical point is something to take up with the
forum manager, I guess, but since no one can join or post to the e-
democracy.org national forum of Minnesota on yahoo.groups unless
they've been registered in the years it still had an FM, I'd reason
to believe we had some leeway, at least in these political threads.
Certainly I'd take direction from the FM on a state connection
although I have argued that in a federal system of government that
everything that happens in that system is relevant and connected to
any individual government in it at any level; the reactions to this
argument vary from FM to FM, but most of them look at it as they
would something from Neal Krasnoff. I'm still here though, because
this is America, or E-Democracy.org, anyways.
The other stuff Pete mentions is not worthy of comment. I mean who
ascribes hate to folks like this? I'd own up to disdain, but hate? No
way. Post turtle certainly fits Sarah Palin as John McCain's choice
for Veep, one bad choice of many that we can avoid by voting Obama-
Biden in November (No debate tonight? What was McCain thinking? His
campaign is devoid of issues and he's not going to debate? At least
he came around on that one.).
It really seems as though Lee's hypothesis of bias against Sarah Palin in the Star Tribune might actually be supported as a part of a larger phenomenon of media contagion without partisan specificity throughout the world and resulting in global bias against our national post turtle (not really, but I'm cleaving to the thread with hyperbole). I was reading a NY Times editorial blog and was pointed to this National Review piece that proposes getting the turtle off of the post and putting her back in Juneau, where she may or may not belong: http://tinyurl.com/4t6zgw I'm content to have the turtle remain on the ticket, but if she begs off the job, I'd be just as contented with John McCain's next choice; I'd be positively ecstatic if he were to place another turtle on a post, although I'd hardly be surprised given his whimsical approach to politics and reality in general (see the Old Miss. debates?). McCain-Palin is looking more and more like the marriage resulting from a shotgun wedding in St. Paul, MN. (How's that for a MN connection?). When a political party in this country depends upon the fusion of incompatible worldviews to gain power, it gets the worst of all realities and little or no power, eventually. Only 37 days to go and a better world, I hope. Hope everyone is having a great weekend.
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:59:26 -0500, you wrote:
> I noticed that the Strib said there were
>10,000 people at the McCain Palin Anoka rally and others
>were reporting 13,000.
I think that estimating the size of a crowd is a very inexact science
at best. Maybe someone on the list knows how it is done. I suppose
it depends in part on when you do it.
> The Star Tribune should admit that
>they are biased or as what is happening now is that most
>educated people are aware of the bias and either ignore
>the paper or read cautiously looking for and knowing the
>bias.
How right you are. I hope we are all reading cautiously and with our
brains in gear at all times. Bias is probably impossible to avoid,
but if we know what it is, we can account for it.