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----- Original Message -----
From: Charlotte Beaumont
To: <email obscured>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:18 PM
Subject: windmill hill


In response to your question below, I live in WIndmill Hill and definitely feel
part of Bedminster. It is officially Bedminster I think. We are BS3! I never go
to the shops in Knowle but go to East Street and North Street.
Hope this helps,
CHarlotte Beaumont (37 Somerset Terrace BS3 4LJ)



-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Barker [mailto:<email obscured>]
Sent: 28 April 2008 09:17
To: <email obscured>
Subject: [GB-Forum] Not about Tescos

This isn't about Tescos, but Neighbourhood Partnerships and is
especially directed to Forum members living in Windmill Hill ward.  But
others can join in.

As most people know, by the end of 2008 all of Bristol is due to be
divided up into 14 'neighbourhood partnerships'.  This is part of a
long term process to decentralise and better coordinate the
administration of services at a neighbourhood level.  It will apply not
just to BCC services, but other services such as the police and possibly
health.  Partnership area will be made of either two or three wards, ie
20-30,000 people.    Setting aside the point that this is scarcely a
'neighbourhood', there needs to be some discussion about which wards fit
best together.

At one level, this ought not to matter too much, afterall, we must hope
that partnerships will cooperate together: replacing service delivery
silos with geographical ones would be stupid.  But, we might as well
get it as right as we can initially.

So, the question is:

Should Windmill Hill ward be joined in the Neighbourhood Partnership
including Knowle and Filwood wards (the current proposal) or in the
partnership that's already functioning and is made up of Bedminster and
Southville wards?

I guess it's partly a technical question of public administration, but
it's also an emotional one.  Does Windmill Hill feel part of
'Bedminster' or part of 'Knowle'.

Cheers,  Ben.
Ben barker




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--- Ben Barker <<email obscured>> wrote:

> Charlotte's asked me to post her comment below.
> Ben.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charlotte Beaumont
> To: <email obscured>
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:18 PM
> Subject: windmill hill
>
>
> In response to your question below, I live in
> WIndmill Hill and definitely feel part of
> Bedminster. It is officially Bedminster I think. We
> are BS3! I never go to the shops in Knowle but go to
> East Street and North Street.
> Hope this helps,
> CHarlotte Beaumont (37 Somerset Terrace BS3 4LJ)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Barker [mailto:<email obscured>]
>
> Sent: 28 April 2008 09:17
> To: <email obscured>
> Subject: [GB-Forum] Not about Tescos
>
> This isn't about Tescos, but Neighbourhood
> Partnerships and is
> especially directed to Forum members living in
> Windmill Hill ward.  But
> others can join in.
>
> As most people know, by the end of 2008 all of
> Bristol is due to be
> divided up into 14 'neighbourhood partnerships'.
> This is part of a
> long term process to decentralise and better
> coordinate the
> administration of services at a neighbourhood level.
>  It will apply not
> just to BCC services, but other services such as the
> police and possibly
> health.  Partnership area will be made of either two
> or three wards, ie
> 20-30,000 people.    Setting aside the point that
> this is scarcely a
> 'neighbourhood', there needs to be some discussion
> about which wards fit
> best together.
>
> At one level, this ought not to matter too much,
> afterall, we must hope
> that partnerships will cooperate together: replacing
> service delivery
> silos with geographical ones would be stupid.  But,
> we might as well
> get it as right as we can initially.
>
> So, the question is:
>
> Should Windmill Hill ward be joined in the
> Neighbourhood Partnership
> including Knowle and Filwood wards (the current
> proposal) or in the
> partnership that's already functioning and is made
> up of Bedminster and
> Southville wards?
>
> I guess it's partly a technical question of public
> administration, but
> it's also an emotional one.  Does Windmill Hill feel
> part of
> 'Bedminster' or part of 'Knowle'.
>
> Cheers,  Ben.
> Ben barker
>
>
>
>
>
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On 13/5/08 13:58, "stephanie wardle" <<email obscured>> wrote:

> It's Bemmy! It's Bemmy!
>
> I'ts got to be Bemsterwith BS3 as a postcode, and Knowle is Up the Hill and
> Far Away, as far as I'm concerned. (Even if it's only one street away from my
> house)... I'm on Marksbury Road, and that's part of Windmill Hill electoral
> ward, has City of Bristol College Bedminster site and Bedminster Road-
> Southville is just across the railway bridge and Windmill Hill itself- the
> actual hilly bit- has got Bedminster Railway Station on it. I don't know a
> single Windhill-ite that doesn't call themselves a Proud Bedminstolian.
>
> Knowle? Noooooo.......
>
> Steph --- On Tue, 13/5/08, Cecilia Weightman
> <<email obscured>> wrote:
> From: Cecilia Weightman <<email obscured>>Subject: Re:
> [GB-Forum] Fw: windmill hillTo: "Ben Barker" <<email obscured>>,
> bemmy-forum@forums.e-democracy.orgDate: Tuesday, 13 May, 2008, 12:27 PMI
> always think of it as part of Bedminster as I used
> to live over on St John's Lane side and we always
> called it Bedminster.  Police wise the beat is under
> the same sergeant as Bedminster & Southville.  It's in
> the same extended school area as Bedminster and
> Southville so it doesn't make sense to put it in with
> Knowle.
> --- Ben Barker <<email obscured>> wrote:
>
>> Charlotte's asked me to post her comment below.
>> Ben.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Charlotte Beaumont
>> To: <email obscured>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:18 PM
>> Subject: windmill hill
>>
>>
>> In response to your question below, I live in
>> WIndmill Hill and definitely feel part of
>> Bedminster. It is officially Bedminster I think. We
>> are BS3! I never go to the shops in Knowle but go to
>> East Street and North Street.
>> Hope this helps,
>> CHarlotte Beaumont (37 Somerset Terrace BS3 4LJ)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ben Barker [mailto:<email obscured>]
>>
>> Sent: 28 April 2008 09:17
>> To: <email obscured>
>> Subject: [GB-Forum] Not about Tescos
>>
>> This isn't about Tescos, but Neighbourhood
>> Partnerships and is
>> especially directed to Forum members living in
>> Windmill Hill ward.  But
>> others can join in.
>>
>> As most people know, by the end of 2008 all of
>> Bristol is due to be
>> divided up into 14 'neighbourhood partnerships'.
>> This is part of a
>> long term process to decentralise and better
>> coordinate the
>> administration of services at a neighbourhood level.
>>  It will apply not
>> just to BCC services, but other services such as the
>> police and possibly
>> health.  Partnership area will be made of either two
>> or three wards, ie
>> 20-30,000 people.    Setting aside the point that
>> this is scarcely a
>> 'neighbourhood', there needs to be some discussion
>> about which wards fit
>> best together.
>>
>> At one level, this ought not to matter too much,
>> afterall, we must hope
>> that partnerships will cooperate together: replacing
>> service delivery
>> silos with geographical ones would be stupid.  But,
>> we might as well
>> get it as right as we can initially.
>>
>> So, the question is:
>>
>> Should Windmill Hill ward be joined in the
>> Neighbourhood Partnership
>> including Knowle and Filwood wards (the current
>> proposal) or in the
>> partnership that's already functioning and is made
>> up of Bedminster and
>> Southville wards?
>>
>> I guess it's partly a technical question of public
>> administration, but
>> it's also an emotional one.  Does Windmill Hill feel
>> part of
>> 'Bedminster' or part of 'Knowle'.
>>
>> Cheers,  Ben.
>> Ben barker
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nixie James-Scott" <<email obscured>>
To: <<email obscured>>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:54 PM
Subject: [GB-Forum] FW: Windmill Hill


>I thought you may be interested and want to comment on the reply I had from
> Mark Bailey about the Windmill Hill issue after my post on this site which
> I
> cc'd to Mark Bailey and Alf Havvock (councillors)
>
>
> Nixie James-Scott
> Therapist, Teacher & Reiki Master
> 0117 985 8036 / 07974 119428
>
> Dear Nixie,
>
> Thank you for the email. I have copied below my reply to Nancy Carlton on
> this subject that sets out the circumstances which lead to Windmill Ward
> being linked to Filwood and Knowle Wards. You will see from my reply that
> I
> acknowledge that residents living in Windmill Hill would naturally assume
> that we should be linked to the Bedminster and Southville partnership.
> However, it needs to be remembered that these partnerships are based on
> ward
> boundaries and not on individual areas within the ward. I therefore feel
> that irrespective of which Partnership we are linked with some people,
> depending on where they live in the ward, will not be convinced by the
> argument or the logic behind the decision.
>
> Having said all of the above Alf and I are intending to meet with the lead
> council officer for Neighbourhood Partnerships as we are not convinced
> that
> the present arrangements are working as well as they could.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
> Nancy,
>
> Windmill Hill, Knowle and Filwood wards were clustered together under the
> Neighbourhood Management trial, a Government initiative back in 2005,
> which
> was the forerunner of the Neighbourhood Partnerships. We were not given a
> choice by the Government in 2005 so it did seem logical, because of the
> links that were already established, that this arrangement should continue
> under the Partnerships arrangements. If I was given the choice, and
> leaving
> aside the operational difficulties, the best solution would probably be to
> put half the ward in the Bedminster Partnership and the other half in with
> Knowle and Filwood.
>
> I can quite understand why some residents living in Cotswold Road and
> surrounding area, given the close proximity to Southville, would wish to
> be
> grouped with the Bedminster Partnership. However, I feel that there are
> Windmill Hill residents living in Totterdown and half way up the Wells
> Road
> that would probably give them an argument about this. Families from this
> ward who send their children to Hillcrest School for example, which sits
> on
> the boundary with Knowle ward, may not be convinced by your argument.
> People
> living around Perrett's Park, which also forms the boundary with Knowle,
> again would also not necessarily agree that Windmill ward has more in
> common
> with Bedminster than Knowle.
>
> I suppose what I am saying is that the judgement on what is the best fit
> is
> coloured by where you live in the ward, where you shop, what schools your
> children attend, where you go to work etc. Whichever partnership we chose
> to
> join I think it is inevitable that some residents within the ward would
> question the logic of the choice.
>
> However, this does not change the fact that large parts of this ward are
> affected by what happens across the boundary in Filwood. For example the
> most deprived areas of this ward around Marksbury Road and Lynton Road are
> already tied to Filwood because they are included in the Community in
> Partnership boundaries, which is a Filwood based organisation. Youth work
> in
> this ward is controlled through Youth Moves which again works out of
> Filwood. It also needs to be taken into consideration that the biggest
> development to take place in this ward over the next couple of years will
> be
> the re-development of the City of Bristol college and the Torpoint and
> Kingswear sites. Both these sites are on the boundary with Filwood and
> will
> be managed by the Knowle West Project Board which includes the councillors
> from Knowle, Filwood and Windmill Hill.
>
> Your remarks about being marginalized because we are grouped with Filwood
> are valid. The groups in Filwood tend to be very well organised and fight
> their corner and can be on occasions difficult to deal with. However, my
> job
> as a local councillor is to make sure that problems in Windmill Hill are
> not
> marginalized irrespective of which group I am dealing with; be it council
> tenants from Knowle West or articulate middle class people from
> Southville.
>
> Concerns about policing in this ward linked to what partnership we fall
> into
> are I believe unfounded. Alf and I usually speak or meet with our
> Neighbourhood Police Team several times a week. We have an excellent
> working
> relationship with them and I cannot remember one single incident when
> their
> ability to tackle problems in the ward was compromised because of the
> Partnership arrangements. Our PACT meetings for example are not affected
> by
> the partnership agreement and I know for a fact that our team work in
> conjunction with the police teams from all the surrounding wards,
> depending
> on what issues they are tackling.
>
> Your concerns over the lack of investment in our parks because of the
> partnership arrangements are again in my opinion overstated. We have just
> signed off the Improvement Plan for Victoria Park with Peter Wilkinson,
> Head
> of Parks. During this 12 month process it was never discussed or intimated
> that any funding for this work would be conditional on what partnership we
> were attached to. Over the last 5 years working with park groups like VPAG
> we have been very successful in bringing more investment into our parks
> and
> green spaces in this ward. With continued support from community groups
> throughout the ward I am confident that this investment will continue.
>
> While personally I have no strong opinion concerning what partnership we
> should belong to I do feel on balance that, because of the existing ties
> and
> the working relationships established over the last three years, we should
> remain where we are. I must though make it clear that after three years of
> going to meetings I am still to be convinced of the value of Neighbourhood
> Partnership in general. In my opinion until a substantial budget is
> attached
> to each ward through these partnerships, that can be allocated and spent
> by
> residents, they remain nothing much more than talking shops. Also bearing
> in
> mind the extremely low turnout at previous Partnership meetings and the
> fact
> that not one resident from this ward attended the last partnership event I
> am still not persuaded that this is a burning issue with the majority of
> residents. I feel it is also fair to point out that at the time of writing
> this email this is the only correspondence that I have ever received on
> this
> issue, from someone who actually lives in the ward.
>
> As you are already aware I am always willing to meet with resident groups
> or
> individuals to talk through these kind of issues. If you would like to
> arrange a meeting with one of your groups I will only be too happy to
> attend.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
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