All posts in the topic tap water at park cafe (Short link)

Topic Navigation

Useful Links

Topics in Brighton and Hove Issues Forum

Summary

There are 7 posts — by 4 authors — in this topic.
Latest post made by Dan Jellinek at May 27 11:18 UTC

From: Dan Jellinek Date: May 14 19:06 UTC Short link

Now here's an issue that has really been annoying me...

the 'rotunda' cafe at Preston park is a nice park cafe but there is one
extraordinary problem with it - the man who owns it will never give anyone a
glass of tap water for free, even on really hot days - he will only sell
bottled mineral water.
Most people who go there know this, and accept it, albeit with much
grumlbing, but often you hear a new customer ask for a glass of tap water
(usually alongside a purchase of a coffee or an ice-cream or whatever) and
are amazed to be told they cannot have one.

Can any councillor or anyone else tell me - is this legal? I remember
hearing all places have to offer tap water, but not sure if this applies to
cafes. It is very petty and mean though, to say the least, and perhaps
merits a letter from a councillor asking for an explanation?

From: Anthony Zacharzewski Date: May 14 19:47 UTC Short link

Isn't this the same guy who was in the Argus for chucking out a bunch
of mums and kids? He sounds like a real charmer.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/mostpopular.var.2161916.mostcommented.basil_fawlty_cafe_owner_banned_our_babies.php

From: Dan Jellinek Date: May 15 11:30 UTC Short link

That's the one!
it's true that this chap is also well-known for disliking mums with young
kids - who make up a large proportion of his clientele!

At least Basil Fawlty was funny...

dan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Zacharzewski" <zagloba@mac.com>
To: "Brighton & Hove Issues Forum" <bh@forums.e-democracy.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] tap water at park cafe


Isn't this the same guy who was in the Argus for chucking out a bunch
of mums and kids? He sounds like a real charmer.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/mostpopular.var.2161916.mostcommented.basil_fawlty_cafe_owner_banned_our_babies.php

Anthony

On 14 May 2008, at 19:56, Dan Jellinek wrote:

> Now here's an issue that has really been annoying me...
>
> the 'rotunda' cafe at Preston park is a nice park cafe but there is
> one
> extraordinary problem with it - the man who owns it will never give
> anyone a
> glass of tap water for free, even on really hot days - he will only
> sell
> bottled mineral water.
> Most people who go there know this, and accept it, albeit with much
> grumlbing, but often you hear a new customer ask for a glass of tap
> water
> (usually alongside a purchase of a coffee or an ice-cream or
> whatever) and
> are amazed to be told they cannot have one.
>
> Can any councillor or anyone else tell me - is this legal? I remember
> hearing all places have to offer tap water, but not sure if this
> applies to
> cafes. It is very petty and mean though, to say the least, and perhaps
> merits a letter from a councillor asking for an explanation?
>
> cheers,
> dan
>
>
> Dan Jellinek
> Brighton and Hove
> Info about Dan Jellinek: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/danjellinek
>
> This topic's messages may be viewed at:
> http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/YTFRNDY1jpthfaj11xxLD
> -----------------------------------------
>  To post, send your message to: <email obscured>
>  To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on,"
>  in subject line and send to: <email obscured>
>
>  More info about Brighton &amp; Hove Issues Forum:
>  http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/bh
>
>  E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules
> -----------------------------------------
> Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net


Anthony Zacharzewski

Info about Anthony Zacharzewski:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/anthonyzacharzewski

This topic's messages may be viewed at:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/y3H2eiOzpUIZpvbkuAMYb
-----------------------------------------
  To post, send your message to: <email obscured>
  To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on,"
  in subject line and send to: <email obscured>

  More info about Brighton &amp; Hove Issues Forum:
  http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/bh

  E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules
-----------------------------------------
Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net

From: Derek Parkinson Date: May 15 11:45 UTC Short link

Crikey, he's obviously got a nose for bad publicity:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7327266.stm. Includes interviews
with the mums.

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Dan Jellinek <dan@headstar.com> wrote:

> That's the one!
> it's true that this chap is also well-known for disliking mums with young
> kids - who make up a large proportion of his clientele!
>
> At least Basil Fawlty was funny...
>
> dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Zacharzewski" <zagloba@mac.com>
> To: "Brighton & Hove Issues Forum" <bh@forums.e-democracy.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] tap water at park cafe
>
>
> Isn't this the same guy who was in the Argus for chucking out a bunch
> of mums and kids? He sounds like a real charmer.
>
>
>
http://www.theargus.co.uk/mostpopular.var.2161916.mostcommented.basil_fawlty_cafe_owner_banned_our_babies.php
>
> Anthony
>
> On 14 May 2008, at 19:56, Dan Jellinek wrote:
>
> > Now here's an issue that has really been annoying me...
> >
> > the 'rotunda' cafe at Preston park is a nice park cafe but there is
> > one
> > extraordinary problem with it - the man who owns it will never give
> > anyone a
> > glass of tap water for free, even on really hot days - he will only
> > sell
> > bottled mineral water.
> > Most people who go there know this, and accept it, albeit with much
> > grumlbing, but often you hear a new customer ask for a glass of tap
> > water
> > (usually alongside a purchase of a coffee or an ice-cream or
> > whatever) and
> > are amazed to be told they cannot have one.
> >
> > Can any councillor or anyone else tell me - is this legal? I remember
> > hearing all places have to offer tap water, but not sure if this
> > applies to
> > cafes. It is very petty and mean though, to say the least, and perhaps
> > merits a letter from a councillor asking for an explanation?
> >
> > cheers,
> > dan
> >
> >
> > Dan Jellinek
> > Brighton and Hove
> > Info about Dan Jellinek: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/danjellinek
> >
> > This topic's messages may be viewed at:
> > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/YTFRNDY1jpthfaj11xxLD
> > -----------------------------------------
> >  To post, send your message to: <email obscured>
> >  To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on,"
> >  in subject line and send to: <email obscured>
> >
> >  More info about Brighton &amp; Hove Issues Forum:
> >  http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/bh
> >
> >  E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at
http://OnlineGroups.Net<http://onlinegroups.net/>
>
>
> Anthony Zacharzewski
>
> Info about Anthony Zacharzewski:
> http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/anthonyzacharzewski
>
> This topic's messages may be viewed at:
> http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/y3H2eiOzpUIZpvbkuAMYb
> -----------------------------------------
>  To post, send your message to: <email obscured>
>  To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on,"
>  in subject line and send to: <email obscured>
>
>  More info about Brighton &amp; Hove Issues Forum:
>  http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/bh
>
>  E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules
> -----------------------------------------
> Technical assistance thanks to our friends at
http://OnlineGroups.Net<http://onlinegroups.net/>
>
>
> Dan Jellinek
> Brighton and Hove
> Info about Dan Jellinek: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/danjellinek
>
> This topic's messages may be viewed at:
> http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/7GYcLPwKKpna0xzYnPp80W
>  -----------------------------------------
>  To post, send your message to: <email obscured>
>  To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on,"
>  in subject line and send to: <email obscured>
>
>  More info about Brighton &amp; Hove Issues Forum:
>  http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/bh
>
>  E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules
> -----------------------------------------
> Technical assistance thanks to our friends at
http://OnlineGroups.Net<http://onlinegroups.net/>
>



--
Derek Parkinson
Journalist
+44 (0)7792 138703

From: Rachel Fryer Date: May 19 23:46 UTC Short link

Hi

I'll try to find out. I understood that cafes have to give free tap water too.

Rachel Fryer

From: Rachel Fryer Date: May 22 23:27 UTC Short link

Hi

Sadly there is no legal requirement to provide tap water although our Head of
Licensing suggests that it is prudent for owners to do so from a health and
safety perspective.

I think it's illegal to charge for tap water but not illegal not to provide it!

Councillor Rachel Fryer





> From: <email obscured>
> To: <email obscured>; <email obscured>
> Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] tap water at park cafe
> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 23:46:30 +0000
>
> Hi
>
> I'll try to find out. I understood that cafes have to give free tap water
too.

>
> Rachel Fryer
>
>
>
> > From: <email obscured>
> > To: <email obscured>
> > Subject: [BH-Issues] tap water at park cafe
> > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:56:42 +0100
> >
> > Now here's an issue that has really been annoying me...
> >
> > the 'rotunda' cafe at Preston park is a nice park cafe but there is one
> > extraordinary problem with it - the man who owns it will never give anyone
a
> > glass of tap water for free, even on really hot days - he will only sell
> > bottled mineral water.
> > Most people who go there know this, and accept it, albeit with much
> > grumlbing, but often you hear a new customer ask for a glass of tap water
> > (usually alongside a purchase of a coffee or an ice-cream or whatever) and
> > are amazed to be told they cannot have one.
> >
> > Can any councillor or anyone else tell me - is this legal? I remember
> > hearing all places have to offer tap water, but not sure if this applies to
> > cafes. It is very petty and mean though, to say the least, and perhaps
> > merits a letter from a councillor asking for an explanation?
> >
> > cheers,
> > dan
> >
> >
> > Dan Jellinek
> > Brighton and Hove
> > Info about Dan Jellinek: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/danjellinek
> >
> > This topic's messages may be viewed at:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/YTFRNDY1jpthfaj11xxLD
> > -----------------------------------------
> >   To post, send your message to: <email obscured>
> >   To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on,"
> >   in subject line and send to: <email obscured>
> >
> >   More info about Brighton &amp; Hove Issues Forum:
> >   http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/bh
> >
> >   E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> All new Live Search at Live.com
>
> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/
> Rachel Fryer
>
> Info about Rachel Fryer: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/rachelfryer
>
> This topic's messages may be viewed at:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/3rHYJaa0duQ5N0iYRELKpA
> -----------------------------------------
>   To post, send your message to: <email obscured>
>   To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on,"
>   in subject line and send to: <email obscured>
>
>   More info about Brighton &amp; Hove Issues Forum:
>   http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/bh
>
>   E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules
> -----------------------------------------
> Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net

_________________________________________________________________

All new Live Search at Live.com

http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/

From: Dan Jellinek Date: May 27 11:18 UTC Short link

Shame!

But thanks for looking into this, Rachel. Perhaps you might be able to at least
write to him though expressing a concern and making the point about health and
safety? Certainly if children are running around in hot weather they need to
drink water. Is the cafe licensed by the council? Perhaps some pressure could
be exerted that way as well.

cheers,
Dan.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: rachel fryer
  To: Dan Jellinek ; Brighton & Hove Issues Forum
  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:27 AM
  Subject: RE: [BH-Issues] tap water at park cafe


  Hi

  Sadly there is no legal requirement to provide tap water although our Head of
Licensing suggests that it is prudent for owners to do so from a health and
safety perspective.

  I think it's illegal to charge for tap water but not illegal not to provide
it!

  Councillor Rachel Fryer







------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > From: <email obscured>
  > To: <email obscured>; <email obscured>
  > Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] tap water at park cafe
  > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 23:46:30 +0000
  >
  > Hi
  >
  > I'll try to find out. I understood that cafes have to give free tap water
too.
  >
  > Rachel Fryer
  >
  >
  >
  > > From: <email obscured>
  > > To: <email obscured>
  > > Subject: [BH-Issues] tap water at park cafe
  > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:56:42 +0100
  > >
  > > Now here's an issue that has really been annoying me...
  > >
  > > the 'rotunda' cafe at Preston park is a nice park cafe but there is one
  > > extraordinary problem with it - the man who owns it will never give
anyone a
  > > glass of tap water for free, even on really hot days - he will only sell
  > > bottled mineral water.
  > > Most people who go there know this, and accept it, albeit with much
  > > grumlbing, but often you hear a new customer ask for a glass of tap water
  > > (usually alongside a purchase of a coffee or an ice-cream or whatever)
and
  > > are amazed to be told they cannot have one.
  > >
  > > Can any councillor or anyone else tell me - is this legal? I remember
  > > hearing all places have to offer tap water, but not sure if this applies
to
  > > cafes. It is very petty and mean though, to say the least, and perhaps
  > > merits a letter from a councillor asking for an explanation?
  > >
  > > cheers,
  > > dan
  > >
  > >
  > > Dan Jellinek
  > > Brighton and Hove
  > > Info about Dan Jellinek: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/danjellinek
  > >
  > > This topic's messages may be viewed at:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/YTFRNDY1jpthfaj11xxLD
  > > -----------------------------------------
  > > To post, send your message to: <email obscured>
  > > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on,"
  > > in subject line and send to: <email obscured>
  > >
  > > More info about Brighton &amp; Hove Issues Forum:
  > > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/bh
  > >
  > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules
  > > -----------------------------------------
  > > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net
  >
  > _________________________________________________________________
  >
  > All new Live Search at Live.com
  >
  > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/
  > Rachel Fryer
  >
  > Info about Rachel Fryer: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/rachelfryer
  >
  > This topic's messages may be viewed at:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/3rHYJaa0duQ5N0iYRELKpA
  > -----------------------------------------
  > To post, send your message to: <email obscured>
  > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on,"
  > in subject line and send to: <email obscured>
  >
  > More info about Brighton &amp; Hove Issues Forum:
  > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/bh
  >
  > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules
  > -----------------------------------------
  > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile!

Add to the topic tap water at park cafe [?]

You cannot post because you are not logged in. If you are a member Brighton and Hove Issues Forum, login to post to this topic. Otherwise sign up, become a member of Brighton and Hove Issues Forum, and post to this topic.

Need help? Please contact technical support. To support your forum, please donate. Hosted by E-Democracy.Org. Powered by OnlineGroups.Net using GroupServer.