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From: David Braund Date: Jan 13 20:22 UTC Short link

Thanks for this, David, but I've never had a problem e-mailing posts before.
Also I notice that the contents of my re-posting are mostly missing where they
appear on the website. Maybe liftoff have something to say about that...

Cheers,
David Braund
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Botibol
  To: David Braund
  Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:39 AM
  Subject: Delays in forum postings


  Hi David,

      After I replied to you something further came to light about your posting
not being delivered. Your email "I also posted on this topic" had an address
list consisting of Brighton & Hove Issues Forum and myself. The copy destined
for my email arrived I think a few seconds after you sent it. The copy destined
for the forum took a circuitous route via the Central European Time Zone and
the New Zealand Time Zone incurring a 40-minute delay. Below I have pasted
email header data showing the route.

      I am inclined to recommend wherever possible using the web interface for
direct posting, rather than using the email method, as you have done. The web
interface method tends to be immediate.

  Happy posting!

  - David


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  From: "David Braund" <<email obscured>>
  To: "Brighton & Hove Issues Forum" <<email obscured>>,
    "David Botibol" <<email obscured>>
  References: <<email obscured>>
  Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] Argus Article re Gilad Atzmon meeting and Picket -
January 7th 7.00 Brighthelm
  Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:44:21 -0000
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Botibol
  To: David Braund
  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] Argus Article re Gilad Atzmon meeting and Picket -
January 7th 7.00 Brighthelm


  Hi David,

      I'm not sure that I have understood what you are asking. On which forum
was your posting not delivered: the SCIP Discussion List, or Brighton & Hove
Issues?  When posting to either forum I log in to it and use its web interface.
That seems to work quicker and with more certainty than sending an email to it.
Maybe you sent an email and it was delayed somewhere in the system, or the
destination address wasn't correct, or the sending address wasn't the one that
you registered.

  Regards,

  - David

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Braund
  To: Brighton & Hove Issues Forum ; David Botibol
  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] Argus Article re Gilad Atzmon meeting and Picket -
January 7th 7.00 Brighthelm


  I also posted on this topic to this forum a day earlier than you, but unlike
  your posting mine does not appear to have been delivered. Why is this? I'm
  not aware of any mechanism for one subscriber to prevent publication of  a
  post to a thread on this forum because they have "moved it" to another
  forum.

  Unless it is just that only I have not received a copy, an explanation is
  awaited.

  David Braund
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "David Botibol" <<email obscured>>
  To: "Brighton & Hove Issues Forum" <<email obscured>>
  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] Argus Article re Gilad Atzmon meeting and Picket -
  January 7th 7.00 Brighthelm


  > For any readers who wish to follow this topic, Tony G appears to have
  moved it to the SCIP Discussion List at
  > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/scip-discussion/message/8868
  >
  > David Botibol
  > Goldstone Valley, Hove
  > Info about David Botibol:
  http://forums.e-democracy.org/contacts/botiboldavid
  >
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From: Steven Clift Date: Jan 14 03:20 UTC Short link

As I understand there is a first time e-mail to post delay of 30 minutes as
part of an anti-spam "grey list" feature.

I am not exactly sure why it is 30 minutes.  It may be that with the recent
upgrade the greylisting to "white list" feature was reset.  Once an e-mail
address successfully posts, the delay should be removed.

Let us know if your continued e-mail to group posts are delayed in a similar
fashion:

   <email obscured>

Cheers,
Steven Clift
E-Democracy.Org


David Braund wrote:
> Thanks for this, David, but I've never had a problem e-mailing posts before.
Also I notice that the contents of my re-posting are mostly missing where they
appear on the website. Maybe liftoff have something to say about that...

>
> Cheers,
> David Braund
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Botibol
>   To: David Braund
>   Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:39 AM
>   Subject: Delays in forum postings
>
>
>   Hi David,
>
>       After I replied to you something further came to light about your
posting not being delivered. Your email "I also posted on this topic" had an
address list consisting of Brighton & Hove Issues Forum and myself. The copy
destined for my email arrived I think a few seconds after you sent it. The copy
destined for the forum took a circuitous route via the Central European Time
Zone and the New Zealand Time Zone incurring a 40-minute delay. Below I have
pasted email header data showing the route.
>
>       I am inclined to recommend wherever possible using the web interface
for direct posting, rather than using the email method, as you have done. The
web interface method tends to be immediate.
>
>   Happy posting!
>
>   - David
>
>
>
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>   Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.516 [269.19.1/1220]); Sat, 12 Jan
2008 10:44:22 +0000
>   Message-ID: <004001c85508$177b1220$<email obscured>>
>   From: "David Braund" <<email obscured>>
>   To: "Brighton & Hove Issues Forum" <<email obscured>>,
>     "David Botibol" <<email obscured>>
>   References: <<email obscured>>
>   Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] Argus Article re Gilad Atzmon meeting and Picket -
January 7th 7.00 Brighthelm
>   Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:44:21 -0000
>   X-Priority: 3
>   X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>   X-Mailer: MailBoxer
>   X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400
>   Mime-Version: 1.0
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8;
>   Precedence: Bulk
>   List-Post: mailto:<email obscured>
>   List-Id: bh
>   X-BeenThere: <email obscured>
>   X-Loop: <email obscured>
>   X-Archive-Id: 5wlV4G66xVHQ1B3n8Ft6ag
>   X-GSUser-Id: davidbraund
>   X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.19.1/1220]
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Botibol
>   To: David Braund
>   Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:24 AM
>   Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] Argus Article re Gilad Atzmon meeting and Picket -
January 7th 7.00 Brighthelm
>
>
>   Hi David,
>
>       I'm not sure that I have understood what you are asking. On which forum
was your posting not delivered: the SCIP Discussion List, or Brighton & Hove
Issues?  When posting to either forum I log in to it and use its web interface.
That seems to work quicker and with more certainty than sending an email to it.
Maybe you sent an email and it was delayed somewhere in the system, or the
destination address wasn't correct, or the sending address wasn't the one that
you registered.
>
>   Regards,
>
>   - David
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Braund
>   To: Brighton & Hove Issues Forum ; David Botibol
>   Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:44 AM
>   Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] Argus Article re Gilad Atzmon meeting and Picket -
January 7th 7.00 Brighthelm
>
>
>   I also posted on this topic to this forum a day earlier than you, but
unlike
>   your posting mine does not appear to have been delivered. Why is this? I'm
>   not aware of any mechanism for one subscriber to prevent publication of  a
>   post to a thread on this forum because they have "moved it" to another
>   forum.
>
>   Unless it is just that only I have not received a copy, an explanation is
>   awaited.
>
>   David Braund
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "David Botibol" <<email obscured>>
>   To: "Brighton & Hove Issues Forum" <<email obscured>>
>   Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:18 AM
>   Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] Argus Article re Gilad Atzmon meeting and Picket -
>   January 7th 7.00 Brighthelm
>
>
>   > For any readers who wish to follow this topic, Tony G appears to have
>   moved it to the SCIP Discussion List at
>   > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/scip-discussion/message/8868
>   >
>   > David Botibol
>   > Goldstone Valley, Hove
>   > Info about David Botibol:
>   http://forums.e-democracy.org/contacts/botiboldavid
>   >
>   > This topic's messages may be viewed at:
>   http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/qPN0bQKhHJZZMgPUmcOOU
>   > -----------------------------------------
>   >   To post, send your message to: <email obscured>
>   >   To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on,"
>   >   in subject line and send to: <email obscured>
>   >
>   >   More info about Brighton &amp; Hove Issues Forum:
>   >   http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/bh
>   >
>   >   E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules
>   > -----------------------------------------
>   > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net
>   >
>
> David Braund
>
> Info about David Braund: http://forums.e-democracy.org/contacts/davidbraund
>
> This topic's messages may be viewed at:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/6m53L1rURI9jn0gnxO8Fmv
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From: Steven Clift Date: Jan 14 18:52 UTC Short link

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:18:59 +1300
From: Richard Waid <<email obscured>>

On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 21:20 -0600, Steven Clift wrote:
> As I understand there is a first time e-mail to post delay of 30
>  minutes as part of an anti-spam "grey list" feature.
>
> I am not exactly sure why it is 30 minutes.  It may be that with the
>  recent upgrade the greylisting to "white list" feature was reset.
>  Once an e-mail address successfully posts, the delay should be
>  removed.

Hi all:

It isn't actually 30 minutes -- it's actually more like 5 minutes,
*HOWEVER* some email servers may backoff to 30 minutes when they receive
the initial refusal.

Unfortunately, like many email providers we have to deal with torrents
of spam, and grey-listing is the most effective measure that we have. I
can try experimenting with the threshold again, but it's a difficult to
get right for everyone, while still effectively rejecting spam.

Best regards,

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