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From: Sheldon Mains Date: Oct 13 23:39 UTC Short link

Comcast appears to be continuing to cut channels. This seemed to start when
the took over from Time Warner.
The seem to have cut CSPAN 2 (19) and the National Geographic Channel
(66)within the last few weeks. Two channels I did watch (a little)

Since they took over, it appears that channels 24,46,47,57,59, 65. 66. and
71 have gone blank.

All this with increasing subscription fee.


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From: cheryl luger Date: Oct 14 03:54 UTC Short link

I was 'addicted' to non-fiction Cspan 2 Book channel on weekends. Did some
terrific series, including one on American authors, filmed in their home
towns...innovative presentation concept.

With the library unable to afford new books for years (and now with Hennepin
county possibly getting only a small percentage add back to their collections
budget), I relied on Cspan for their excellent programs...held at institutes,
think thanks, small and large book stores, ultra
conservative/conservative/liberal. History, economics, politics,science, kids'
stuff and many nationally know speakers at book fair coverage. Main stream and
controversial...including new scientific theories.

If it looked good, I could check out the $$$$ at book store...assuming the book
store could or would order it. Many from small presses not plugged into
mega-bookies. Cspan 2 gave links to the small presses..

It disappeared about 3-4 months ago. You can find programming on their CSPAN 2
website but it's inconvenient and some buffering problems. You may also
subscribe to their email alerts every week.

I thought Spanish Univisio'n had been eliminated and moved to a pay station
...until I found it on less commercially valuable channel 99.

AMC disappeared, I think before the comcast market division. National
Geographic disappeared shortly after CSPAN2. I believe both are available with
extra subscription packages.

Does anyone know if comcast has done this in all their 'new' markets ...or just
here?

Even more 'scarey' are the attempted and successful large media legislative
lobbying machines at the States' levels. Part of this is to have states, and
not municipalities, determine if public access would continueand to eliminate
the 'biggies' from having to negotiate community benefit packages or pay
franchise fees with municipalities.

Eliminating the local agreements on public access channels (Mpls has many ,
including MTN, valuable low dial # school board channel, henn. co. and others)
would open the way to increase company market share and bottom line. It's no
surprise that many of these companies appear to put market share differences
aside for a common purpose. Win this now and fight over market share later.
Many of these stations have low dial # and are of hight commercial value to the
companies.

So far, Minnesota has told them to take a hike...unlike what's happened in
other states. A google search (did one last year this 'budget' time when the
Mayor tried to gut the MTN budget), will turn up lots of hits from nation wide
public access stations battling this well-organized big media legislative
lobbying 'blitz'.

I believe there was a forum post a year ago complaining and asking city
officials if anything could be done. Doubt much could be done since the market
was sliced up and the city was more worried about getting past cable
commitments fullfilled in quasi-judicial hearings held at city hall...involving
testimony by the cable company. Pretty tough sessions.

Anyone who knows ifany 'legal' council way to prevent this? I doubt you can get
enough people mobilized (as was done with the administrative attempts to
consolidate media a few years ago...it worked)...book tv and national
geographic probably aren't seen as big enough to fight over.

best wishes,
cheryl luger
nokomis east
I never wonder to see men wicked, but I often wonder
to see them not ashamed.
 --- Jonathan Swift

From: Jessica Wicks Date: Oct 14 04:24 UTC Short link

I still have National Geographic both on 66 as well as on the
expanded digital section. Cspn 2 is on 104 on my set.  AMC is found
on 138.  I guess it is because we get the full digital package except
movie channels.

Jessica Wicks
Sheridan, NE Mpls

On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:54 PM, C Luger wrote:

> I was 'addicted' to non-fiction Cspan 2 Book channel on weekends.
> Did some terrific series, including one on American authors, filmed
> in their home towns...innovative presentation concept.
>
> With the library unable to afford new books for years (and now with
> Hennepin county possibly getting only a small percentage add back
> to their collections budget), I relied on Cspan for their excellent
> programs...held at institutes, think thanks, small and large book
> stores, ultra conservative/conservative/liberal. History,
> economics, politics,science, kids' stuff and many nationally know
> speakers at book fair coverage. Main stream and
> controversial...including new scientific theories.
>
> If it looked good, I could check out the $$$$ at book
> store...assuming the book store could or would order it. Many from
> small presses not plugged into mega-bookies. Cspan 2 gave links to
> the small presses..
>
> It disappeared about 3-4 months ago. You can find programming on
> their CSPAN 2 website but it's inconvenient and some buffering
> problems. You may also subscribe to their email alerts every week.
>
> I thought Spanish Univisio'n had been eliminated and moved to a pay
> station ...until I found it on less commercially valuable channel 99.
>
> AMC disappeared, I think before the comcast market division.
> National Geographic disappeared shortly after CSPAN2. I believe
> both are available with extra subscription packages.
>
> Does anyone know if comcast has done this in all their 'new'
> markets ...or just here?
>
> Even more 'scarey' are the attempted and successful large media
> legislative lobbying machines at the States' levels. Part of this
> is to have states, and not municipalities, determine if public
> access would continueand to eliminate the 'biggies' from having to
> negotiate community benefit packages or pay franchise fees with
> municipalities.
>
> Eliminating the local agreements on public access channels (Mpls
> has many , including MTN, valuable low dial # school board channel,
> henn. co. and others) would open the way to increase company market
> share and bottom line. It's no surprise that many of these
> companies appear to put market share differences aside for a common
> purpose. Win this now and fight over market share later. Many of
> these stations have low dial # and are of hight commercial value to
> the companies.
>
> So far, Minnesota has told them to take a hike...unlike what's
> happened in other states. A google search (did one last year this
> 'budget' time when the Mayor tried to gut the MTN budget), will
> turn up lots of hits from nation wide public access stations
> battling this well-organized big media legislative lobbying 'blitz'.
>
> I believe there was a forum post a year ago complaining and asking
> city officials if anything could be done. Doubt much could be done
> since the market was sliced up and the city was more worried about
> getting past cable commitments fullfilled in quasi-judicial
> hearings held at city hall...involving testimony by the cable
> company. Pretty tough sessions.
>
> Anyone who knows ifany 'legal' council way to prevent this? I doubt
> you can get enough people mobilized (as was done with the
> administrative attempts to consolidate media a few years ago...it
> worked)...book tv and national geographic probably aren't seen as
> big enough to fight over.
>
> best wishes,
> cheryl luger
> nokomis east
> I never wonder to see men wicked, but I often wonder
> to see them not ashamed.
>  --- Jonathan Swift
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> cheryl luger
> nokomis east, minneapolis
> Info about cheryl luger: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/lugercheryl
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From: Pamela Colby Date: Oct 14 15:03 UTC Short link

Sheldon and all,

I have asked the Comcast Representative who is an ex officio member of MTN'S
board to respond to your questions regarding drifting channels.  I believe
they drift off into the more expensive tiers.  It is vital that in
Minneapolis we keep the Public, Education and Government channels in the
lower tiers so that all subscribers can receive them.  In some other markets
Comcast has moved them up into the digital ozone.

Pam Colby
Central


Pam Colby
Executive Director
The Minneapolis Television Network
125 SE Main St. Mpls. MN. 55414
phone 612-331-8575 x 304
fax 612-331-8578

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From: Dean Lindberg Date: Oct 14 15:51 UTC Short link

National Geographic was the only channel I watched much.  They dropped
that from the regular package, but if I get a digital box and pay about
$20 a month more I can get National Geographic again.  I said "thanks,
but no thanks" (couldn't resist that one).  The only reason I have cable
is because of the terrible rabbit ear reception in this part of Minneapolis.

Dean Lindberg
Minnehaha

From: K R Schiebel Date: Oct 14 16:05 UTC Short link

You'll be amazed at the difference in reception if you get one of those
Digital converter boxes for the transition to Digital TV. I have a TV in my
garage and before, with analog Rabbit Ears I got snowy ghostly reception.
Now, with the convertor box and antenna, I not only get a bunch of extra
channels, but crystal clear Satellite type picture.

https://www.dtv2009.gov/

Get your $40.00 coupon before they are gone to help defer most of the cost
of the box.

From: Dick Shanahan Date: Oct 14 22:42 UTC Short link

Comcast has been cutting channels from their non-digital tiers
since they acquired the MPLS franchise from Time Warner - who
acquired it from Continental.  And also raising the monthly fee for
the reduced service.  When AMC and a couple of other channels
suddenly "disappeared" I contacted them.  The explanation/excuse I
was given was that the feeds they were for getting for the channels
(AMC, at least) were now "digital only."  I was "welcome" to move up
to the digital tier, though.  This, of course, would entail an
increase in my monthly fee, a converter for each set in my house plus
a separate "rental" charge for each box.  Yoiks!
      I found this argument specious.  Comcast had been telling me/us
that "On February 17, 2009, all broadcast networks will switch over
to digital-only broadcasting"and that "If all your TVs are currently
connected to Comcast, you don't have to worry about a thing. When
February 17, 2009 rolls around, you can just sit back, relax and keep
watching your favorite shows."  The Comcast phone rep wasn't
technically knowledgeable enough to discuss the matter intelligently
and was unwilling, unable or not allowed to connect me to someone who
could.  I contacted the appropriate city office to lodge a
complaint.  I was referred to Comcast's complaint line and web site.
How incredibly helpful!  So much for public oversight of a private
enterprise (Utility, if you will) granted "regulated monopoly" status.
    What are the chances, I wonder, that these "disappeared" channels
will return to my tier after 2/17/09 and I'm sitting back, relaxing
and hoping to watch a program on AMC, National Geographic, et al. in
addition to all the other digital only channels?

My area in Powderhorn was the first section of the city wired for
cable and I've been a customer since 1985 or so.  My recollection is
that I was initially paying $12.50 a month.  Adding HBO and Showtime
bumped it to $25 or so.  A couple of years after my son was born in
1987 adding Disney bumped it a bit more.  Around 1990 or so my wife,
induced by a "Special Introductory Offer," signed up for HBO2 and
Showtime2.  (Why, I don't know, since neither of us could stay awake
much past 9:30 PM to watch TV with a newborn/infant/toddler to care
for ... but that's another story.)  The bill was up to $65 a month.
I gasped and I rebelled.  I bought a cable ready TV (a fairly new and
expensive product at the time) and then contacted Continental to
cancel the premium channels and ditch the $10/month Box.  My bill
dropped back to $24.  The cost of the new set was recovered in 12 to
14 months.  I subsequently wired just about every room in my house
with coax so I could put a TV where I wanted and still watch The
History Channel, Discovery, AMC, ESPN, National Geographic, CNN, etc.
with no muss, fuss or electricity sucking converter.  My bill, with
no changes in service, save the recent Comcast "upgrades," is back to
$65+.
    It would seem that Comcast views the concept of "Less is More" as
less service and more revenue rather than less expenditure of
resources, monies and BS for more real return.
   Then there's the grating awareness that I'm paying to watch
programming that enjoys revenue streams from both cable fees and
advertising ...

From: Peter Tharaldson Date: Oct 15 15:30 UTC Short link

I understood that the digital conversion would dramatically expand the
broadcast airspace, allowing more channels in and improving reception. While
this seems logical that does not make it policy. I was thinking about this the
other day. If I could get 12-20 channels digital with one or two documentary
channels, I would snap that coaxial in a sec and so would many Minneapolitans I
suspect. Any techno-geeks with an answer on what the spectrum will look like in
two years?

Peter Tharaldson
Loring Park

From: Pamela Colby Date: Oct 15 21:08 UTC Short link

> I wanted to follow up on yesterdays discussion on cable in Minneapolis.  I
> think this has already been stated but--
>
> Over the past summer the National Geographic Channel did move up to the
> digital tier.
>
> C-span 2 moved to Channel 104 which is considered basic cable but you need a
> digital receiver to access it.
> If you do have a digital receiver there are now more basic channels that can
> be reached in the higher tiers.
>
>
> Pam Colby
> Central
>
>
>
> Pam Colby
> Executive Director
> The Minneapolis Television Network
> 125 SE Main St. Mpls. MN. 55414
> phone 612-331-8575 x 304
> fax 612-331-8578
>
> http://www.mtn.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/13/08 6:40 PM, "Sheldon Mains" <smains@visi.com> wrote:
>
>> > Comcast appears to be continuing to cut channels. This seemed to start
when
>> > the took over from Time Warner.
>> > The seem to have cut CSPAN 2 (19) and the National Geographic Channel
>> > (66)within the last few weeks. Two channels I did watch (a little)
>> >
>> > Since they took over, it appears that channels 24,46,47,57,59, 65. 66. and
>> > 71 have gone blank.
>> >
>> > All this with increasing subscription fee.
>> >
>> >
>> > ................................
>> > Sheldon Mains Consulting
>> > Technology solutions for nonprofit organizations.
>> > 612-618-7149, <email obscured>
>> > http://www.SheldonMains.com/
>> > Blog: http://RandomStuffFromSheldon.blogspot.com/
>> > Twitter.com: sheldonM
>> > 2718 East 24th Street
>> > Minneapolis, Minnesota  55406
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sheldon Mains
>> > Seward Neighborhood, Minneapolis
>> > Info about Sheldon Mains: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/sheldonmains
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From: Sheldon Mains Date: Oct 17 14:46 UTC Short link

Pam, so basically you have to pay more to get the digital service so you can
get the basic channels.

This confirms what I'veheard nastionally, Moving channels to digistal is
basically it is a scam by Comcast to get people to buy the digital service.
My guess is that at some point, they will have cut enough channels from the
basic analog service that a lot of customers will say good-bye.

For some fun, visit http://www.comcastsucks.org/ and
http://www.douglips.com/blog/2006/03/comcast-evil-or-just-stupid_29.html

By the way, the City basically has no regulatory control over this--the
Federal Telecommunications Act of 1996 stripped just about all cable
regulatory control from cities and states and the FCC has limited authority
(no authority over service levels and cost)

sheldon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pam Colby [mailto:prc@mtn.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:03 PM
> To: <email obscured>
> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Comcast cutting channels?
>
>
> > I wanted to follow up on yesterdays discussion on cable in
> > Minneapolis.  I think this has already been stated but--
> >
> > Over the past summer the National Geographic Channel did move up to
> > the digital tier.
> >
> > C-span 2 moved to Channel 104 which is considered basic
> cable but you
> > need a digital receiver to access it.
> > If you do have a digital receiver there are now more basic channels
> > that can be reached in the higher tiers.
> >
> >
> > Pam Colby
> > Central
> >
> >
> >
> > Pam Colby
> > Executive Director
> > The Minneapolis Television Network
> > 125 SE Main St. Mpls. MN. 55414
> > phone 612-331-8575 x 304
> > fax 612-331-8578
> >
> > http://www.mtn.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/13/08 6:40 PM, "Sheldon Mains" <smains@visi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > Comcast appears to be continuing to cut channels. This seemed to
> >> > start when the took over from Time Warner.
> >> > The seem to have cut CSPAN 2 (19) and the National Geographic
> >> > Channel (66)within the last few weeks. Two channels I
> did watch (a
> >> > little)
> >> >
> >> > Since they took over, it appears that channels
> 24,46,47,57,59, 65.
> >> > 66. and
> >> > 71 have gone blank.
> >> >
> >> > All this with increasing subscription fee.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ................................
> >> > Sheldon Mains Consulting
> >> > Technology solutions for nonprofit organizations.
> >> > 612-618-7149, <email obscured>
> >> > http://www.SheldonMains.com/
> >> > Blog: http://RandomStuffFromSheldon.blogspot.com/
> >> > Twitter.com: sheldonM
> >> > 2718 East 24th Street
> >> > Minneapolis, Minnesota  55406
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sheldon Mains
> >> > Seward Neighborhood, Minneapolis
> >> > Info about Sheldon Mains:
> >> > http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/sheldonmains
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From: Kevin Wynn Date: Oct 17 15:57 UTC Short link

"Sheldon Mains" <smains@visi.com> wrote:
> My guess is that at some point, they will have cut
>enough channels from the
> basic analog service that a lot of customers will say
>good-bye.

I may be wrong, but I believe I've read that by 2012 all
broadcast, via airwaves, satellite dish or cable, has to
make the conversion to digital.  If true, it would seem
logical that it moves that direction in increments, rather
than all at once like was necessary for over-the-air
signals.

From: Sheldon Mains Date: Oct 20 03:57 UTC Short link

I've been exchanging Twitters with "ComcastCares"--their PR person that
monitors Twitter (Please respond to my question at the end)

................
Regarding why channels are moving, he said:
Channels are moved to free bandwidth for more services, such as more HD
which is in high demand. Each analog=3 HD or 10-12 digital

I responded:
Since Comcast has removed about 10 channel from analog service to use
bandwidth for other services, my bill should go down 14%

He did not respond.

.............
In another exchange, I said:
You may be moving the channels to get more bandwidth for other services, but
you are doing it without informing customers.

His response was:
That should not be. Usually it is done in statement and local newspapers. I
apologize

Another tweet from a Comcast spokesperson	said the policy is 30 days
notice to customers

So, has anyone receive any notice from Comcast of changes in channel lineup?

............
sheldon
(resurrecting my old signature line)
Shameless agitator in the electronic town square
Seward Neighborhood, Minneapolis

From: Chris Johnson Date: Oct 21 03:54 UTC Short link

Sheldon Mains wrote:

> So, has anyone receive any notice from Comcast of changes in channel lineup?
>

As a matter of fact -- no.

No notice of changes, nor any sign of the new HD channels your correspondent
says are so "in demand."

Color me skeptical.

From: Jay Clark Date: Oct 24 17:56 UTC Short link

I am so glad someone brought this issue up.

Since Comcast has taken over Minneapolis cable, I have watched stations
blink off at the rate about one every two or three months.  CSPAN II and
the National Georgraphic channels are the latest victims.  No advance
notice, no explanations, no apologies.

At least with me, Comcast has paid a price.

For years, I used the University of Minnesota's dialup service when I
wanted to use the internet at home.

I had always planned to use my cable provider for my internet connection
when I converted to broadband,

This summer, I decided to take the plunge.  But as i watched Comcast's
mediocre and steadily deteriorating cable services, I worried that I
would be subject to similar  marginal broadband internet service  if I
went with Comcast.

Instead, I decided to hook up with wifi through U.S. Internet.

It was unbelievably easy to hook up, the service is great, and it costs
a lot less than Comcast.

I am so glad I did not go with Comcast for broadband internet service.
If more television stations continue to blink off, I am ready to unplug
from Comcast altogether.

Jay Clark

From: Dean Lindberg Date: Oct 24 18:11 UTC Short link

To switch from Comcast it's necessary to go wifi?  No other options with
land-line cable except comcast?

Thanks
Dean Lindberg
Minnehaha

From: Connie Sullivan Date: Oct 24 19:07 UTC Short link

Has anyone on this list tried what was reported by the Star Tribune
this week, with their Comcast internet connection? Does it work?

Apparently, to get a huge increase in upload and download speed from
your regular service, all you have to do is unplug your cable modem
from the power source for a minute, plug it back in, and voila! The
large increase in speed is free. Or at least it doesn't cost anything
more than what you're paying now. For now.

>But they have been picking away regularly at the channels a Basic
>plus Basic Plus TV subscription provides. I've noticed it as one or
>two channels disappear every couple of months. It's in the fine
>print, and sometimes, in the Star Tribune as a small advertisement.

Connie
Como, in Southeast Minneapolis
--

From: Dave Garland Date: Oct 25 21:59 UTC Short link

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:11:55 -0500, Dean Lindberg wrote:

>To switch from Comcast it's necessary to go wifi?  No other options with
>land-line cable except comcast?

DSL via the phone line.  From Qwest (if you don't mind having MSN as
your ISP).  Through Qwest to a local ISP like visi.com or iphouse.com or
another on the list at
http://www.qwest.com/residential/internet/isp_list.html  (costs a few
bucks more, but you get to deal with people who know what they're
doing), if you're doing that, contact the ISP directly.  Or through
whatever other local telco you use.

Mpls wifi is a great deal where it works, but the quality varies a lot
depending on location (esp. distance to the box on the pole, and whether
you have an unobstructed view of it from wherever you will place your
antenna).  A few hundred feet can make the difference between a great
connection and a terrible one.  If you're going wifi, it's best to try
it out before you commit to a long-term subscription (the month to month
prices are pretty good already).

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