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Wow what a coincidence. Obama's beloved Acorn has gotten busted again for voter fraud! This is the same organization that the Democrats tried to fund thru pork in the bailout bill. So now we finally know what Obama did as a community organizer. Unbelievable. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/07/acorn_nevada_offices_raided.html By Mary Pat Flaherty Nevada state officials on Tuesday morning raided the Las Vegas office of ACORN as part of an investigation into alleged voter fraud by the organization which conducts voter registration drives nationally in its work with low-income communities. About seven agents from the offices of the Nevada Secretary of State and Attorney General served a search warrant and removed boxes and computers after being admitted by the landlord, said Bob Walsh, spokesman for Secretary of State Ross Miller. No ACORN staff was present during the raid, he said. Walsh would not describe what prompted the search. Charles Jackson, a national spokesman for ACORN, said the group would have a response later Tuesday. ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. In July, the two Nevada state agencies involved in the raid, along with the FBI and U.S. Attorney's Office for Nevada, formed a task force to target voter registration and election fraud and complaints over voter registration practices, potential voter fraud, and enforcement of laws regarding voter intimidation. The federal agents were not part of Tuesday's search, Walsh said. ACORN's Las Vegas office, Walsh said, registers voters mainly in Clark County. Registration drives conducted by ACORN in several states are under scrutiny by local elections officials for the accuracy of cards gathered by its workers. The group also has been the object of heated denunciations from the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign, which contend the group is attempting to overwhelm election officials with new registrations that are carelessly gathered and would enable unqualified voters to get on the rolls. "It is very difficult to ascribe any other motive to the activities of ACORN other than to swamp the system with registrations cards" that range from illegible to being drawn from names from telephone listings or other public directories, said RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross. Cairncross spoke during a telephone press conference on another ACORN voter drive in northwest Indiana that local news accounts report is under review by elections officers. The ACORN drives, he said, "point to a lack of control in this organization" and "a willingness to go out and do this relentlessly." The McCain and Obama camps have been trading blasts and Internet alerts over Republican charges that ACORN has been closely linked to Barack Obama for years, a contention the Obama campaign denies. Lee Surma Maple Grove
Certainly, if ACORN is doing something improper, then that should be dealt with. However, its worth noting that in our system of justice, allegation, even to the point of investigation, does not necessarily mean guilt. I mean, isn't Sarah Palin under some sort of investigation up there in Alaska? The guilt by association continues to be ridiculous. Obviously, you don't think your candidate can win on his merits. And finally, the attacks on people who work on their communities has to stop. Lots of people do good work in their communities and while you may want to lambaste volunteering in the community because it does not suit you at this time, consider all the good of community organizers. The last sentence isn't even worth considering a response. Aaron Laffin Richfield On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Lee <lee@honeycomb.net> wrote: > Wow what a coincidence. Obama's beloved Acorn has gotten > busted again for voter fraud! This is the same > organization that the Democrats tried to fund thru pork in > the bailout bill. So now we finally know what Obama did as > a community organizer. Unbelievable. > > http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/07/acorn_nevada_offices_raided.html
What is funny with this is if you wanted to screw up the election rolls and disenfranchise a bunch of low income voters, there wouldn't be a better way to do it than flooding the system with bad requests. People in Minnesota forget but in most states there isn't same day registration and you have to have registered usually 30 days in advance, so that you are on the list of qualified voters. That is way the Dem's go crazy when states like Ohio or Michigan purge the list of names of people who haven't voted in x years or houses that were foreclosed on. Because it means one of us are going to show up at the polls and find out we are no longer able to vote. It would be truly stupid for Acorn to have done something like that deliberately, so I am doubtful that it was a planned action to try to put bad names on a the voters' list. Let's hope they weren't paying folks to register people on a "bonus" basis... JMONTOMEPPOF Chuck Repke Saint Paul In a message dated 10/7/2008 4:15:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, <email obscured> writes: Wow what a coincidence. Obama's beloved Acorn has gotten busted again for voter fraud! This is the same organization that the Democrats tried to fund thru pork in the bailout bill. So now we finally know what Obama did as a community organizer. Unbelievable. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/07/acorn_nevada_offices_raided.html By Mary Pat Flaherty Nevada state officials on Tuesday morning raided the Las Vegas office of ACORN as part of an investigation into alleged voter fraud by the organization which conducts voter registration drives nationally in its work with low-income communities. About seven agents from the offices of the Nevada Secretary of State and Attorney General served a search warrant and removed boxes and computers after being admitted by the landlord, said Bob Walsh, spokesman for Secretary of State Ross Miller. No ACORN staff was present during the raid, he said. Walsh would not describe what prompted the search. Charles Jackson, a national spokesman for ACORN, said the group would have a response later Tuesday. ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. In July, the two Nevada state agencies involved in the raid, along with the FBI and U.S. Attorney's Office for Nevada, formed a task force to target voter registration and election fraud and complaints over voter registration practices, potential voter fraud, and enforcement of laws regarding voter intimidation. The federal agents were not part of Tuesday's search, Walsh said. ACORN's Las Vegas office, Walsh said, registers voters mainly in Clark County. Registration drives conducted by ACORN in several states are under scrutiny by local elections officials for the accuracy of cards gathered by its workers. The group also has been the object of heated denunciations from the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign, which contend the group is attempting to overwhelm election officials with new registrations that are carelessly gathered and would enable unqualified voters to get on the rolls. "It is very difficult to ascribe any other motive to the activities of ACORN other than to swamp the system with registrations cards" that range from illegible to being drawn from names from telephone listings or other public directories, said RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross. Cairncross spoke during a telephone press conference on another ACORN voter drive in northwest Indiana that local news accounts report is under review by elections officers. The ACORN drives, he said, "point to a lack of control in this organization" and "a willingness to go out and do this relentlessly." The McCain and Obama camps have been trading blasts and Internet alerts over Republican charges that ACORN has been closely linked to Barack Obama for years, a contention the Obama campaign denies. Lee Surma Maple Grove Lee Surma Info about Lee Surma: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/leesurma This topic's messages may be viewed at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/4oHR6cytS6HC9ZtSwB2czQ
Lee,
I happen to have a relative who works for ACORN in another state. I
strongly object to your tarnishing all ACORN employees, much less all
community organizers, with the same brush. Yes, ACORN does not have
an excellent record of control and it needs to become a much better
managed organization at the national level. My understanding is that
they are at last admitting this need and working on it.
Vici Oshiro
Burnsville
Since when did it become "Obama's Acorn"? First its ACORN, an acronym
(Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). Second, it has been
doing very well on it's own without Obama for the longest, since 1970. Founded
by Wade Rathke as the Arkansas Community Organizations for Reform Now, it later
changed it's name. It boasts 175,000 member >families<. It's greatest claim to
national fame is the Community Reinvestment Act.
Rathke was trained by George Riley of the National Welfare Rights Organization
on the Cloward-Piven Strategy. Cloward-Piven are a team of two writers who have
been examining all the facets of poverty for thirty years or so. They are among
the best of those who study and write about poverty. They are "radical" in the
sense that they advocate NOT for doing for the poor, but of doing WITH the
poor, under the theory that the poor know more about what they need than any
think tank, blue ribbon committee, senate, legislature, or city council could
possibly know.
Are we witnessing Republican voter suppression? How many tens of thousands of voters have been disenfranchised by purging election rolls of qualified voters? Indeed, are we are witnessing the Republican election fraud (as opposed to voter fraud)? Some are intentional and reflect partisan malice; some are unintentional and reflect incompetence and bad practices. Here are some examples in the news. Florida Law May Disenfranchise New Voters http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/06/eveningnews/main4505093.shtml Red Flag On Purging Voter Rolls http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/30/eveningnews/main4490682.shtml Voter Purges http://brennan.3cdn.net/08a454912ec28b6c6b_fam6bqsnl.pdf Three States Accused of Illegally Purging Voter Lists http://www.alternet.org/democracy/92695/three_states_accused_of_illegally_purging_voter_lists_/ Mike Schoenberg St. Paul <email obscured> wrote: > What is funny with this is if you wanted to screw up the election rolls and disenfranchise a bunch of low income voters, there wouldn't be a better way to do it than flooding the system with bad requests. > > People in Minnesota forget but in most states there isn't same day registration and you have to have registered usually 30 days in advance, so that you are on the list of qualified voters. That is way the Dem's go crazy when states like Ohio or Michigan purge the list of names of people who haven't voted in x years or houses that were foreclosed on. Because it means one of us are going to show up at the polls and find out we are no longer able to vote. > > It would be truly stupid for Acorn to have done something like that deliberately, so I am doubtful that it was a planned action to try to put bad names on a the voters' list. Let's hope they weren't paying folks to register people on a "bonus" basis... > > JMONTOMEPPOF > > Chuck Repke > Saint Paul > > > In a message dated 10/7/2008 4:15:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, <email obscured> writes: > > Wow what a coincidence. Obama's beloved Acorn has gotten > busted again for voter fraud! This is the same > organization that the Democrats tried to fund thru pork in > the bailout bill. So now we finally know what Obama did as > a community organizer. Unbelievable. > > http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/07/acorn_nevada_offices_raided.html
Mr. Surma is making the same type of spurious association of the Obama campaign
to ACORN as the supposed "friendship" between Barack Obama and William Ayers,
though I for one have respect for Prof. Ayers and an actual friendship between
him and Obama would raise my regard for Senator Obama. There are enough rumors
floating about as to planned Republican efforts to challenge voter
registrations in what are anticipated to be heavily Democratic precincts to
hint at a long-standing Republican tactic of attempting to disenfranchise the
poor. All are the desperate actions of a campaign that is losing support.
I for one will be getting training on voter protection here in Minnesota and
will be a polling station watcher on election day. Having come face-to-face
with the horror of the uninsured working poor this past week via my sister, I
am more concerned then ever that McCain and his idiotic $5K health care tax
credit never see the Oval Office. Just shows how out of touch he is to think
the $5K even makes much of a dent in health insurance costs for a family, with
family health coverage running $800-1200/month. Can you imagine how the rolls
of uninsured and under-insured will skyrocket? (And as an interesting if
frightening aside, I've now had two physicians with specialties in geriatrics
say that if you observe John McCain and his movements and speech patterns its
obvious that he has the onset of senility.)
Just call me "Comrade" Renate
McCain's health insurance plan could be a little rocky at
first but the idea is to decentralize and add market
competition kind of like auto insurance. Why should health
insurance be tied to a job which is tied to a big HMO? We
already have socialized medicine to a certain degree
because of that. Given a free market there will be more
resources and ability to deal with the poor and under
insured, more choices and lower cost. Also you would have
less corporate titans feeding off the monopoly like our
own Bill McGuire. I think it is definitely a step in the
right direction. One thing they should really address is
how a serious illness can bankrupt an average citizen.
They should set up Fannie May type organization just to
deal with that or force catastrophic insurance into the
equation.
As for the Ayers connection, if there are people like you
that actually think it's a good thing why the cover up?
How about that market dropping again today? I think it's
the markets reacting to a potential Obama Presidency. The
media is being very successful in convincing everyone
Obama is winning. The polls need to be 8-10% in Obama's
favor for him to actually be in the lead at this point.
Look for the market to drop further if the election is
close and gets contested like when the Florida Supreme
Court tried to steal the election in 2000.
Lee Surma
Maple Grove
Lee wrote:
> How about that market dropping again today? I think it's
> the markets reacting to a potential Obama Presidency.
It is a reaction to a real Bush Presidency.
> like when the Florida Supreme Court tried to steal the election in 2000.
>
>
It was US Supreme Court that actually stole the election, they did not
just try.
Somehow or another, this wound around to health care plans. So be it.
Both candidates are working on one third of the problem. The other countries
that have saved on costs, have done it by wage and price controls on health
care professionals, insurance, and drug companies.
Medical specialists in those countries don't make CEO salaries, and absolutely
no one goes bankrupt from medical bills. Google frontline sick world, and read
the transcript from the hour long documentary. It's very clear, even though
they never mention the words "wage and price controls", that it is just that.
Amen, Tim. I'm not impressed with either candidate's answers on health care.
However, I'm a realist and know that I there won't be an electable candidate
that matches my socio-economic philosophies. Yes, politics in America at it's
best - voting for the least evil.
And Lee, what are you smoking out there in Maple Grove - I want some too and be
able to live a deluded fantasy.
Tim,
I could agree with you if you would insert "partly", i.e., "have done
it partly by." There are lots of other factors which also contribute
to lower costs.
Vici Oshiro
Burnsville
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:06:03 +1300 (NZDT)
"Renate Behrendt" <RRBehrendt@comcast.net> wrote:
> And Lee, what are you smoking out there in Maple Grove -
>I want some too and be able to live a deluded fantasy.
I have asthma and haven't smoked anything in years, but I
do know that you are smoking the Obama tea which causes
short term euphoria, hallucinations, brain damage and
delusions of grandeur
followed by addiction and long term physical damage.
Let's get back to that Palin topic. The reason I like
Palin so much is that she is the only leader I can see
that has any chance of being remotely like Ronald Reagan.
Her principles are sound, where unlike Obama, she doesn't
have to struggle with open questions wondering if she's
going to contradict herself from some other previous lie.
Obama's an overflowing outhouse and you're stepping in it.
What Obama's promising now and what will actually happen
if he wins are so far apart it could make the polar ice
caps shift.
And again Obama is not winning unless the polls show an
8-10% lead. Unfortunately for the biased pollsters who are
trying to influence the election, they will need to
tighten that number as the election approaches to retain
some credibility, which will appear as a late game surge
to McCain. So all of their meddling trying to throw the
election could actually back fire.
Lee Surma
Maple Grove
Going back to what this topic was...Acorn and voter fraud... CNN had a good piece on it last night looking at what had occurred in Gary Indiana. Pretty tragic. I am guessing that they must have hired people to go out there are register people on a commission basis. There was a voter registration card for "Jimmy John" and you guessed it the address was the sandwich shop. Almost all of the registrations were in the same handwriting and there were close to 5,000 of them. The voter registration office had put the last 2,500 of them aside and will get to them after they get everybody else's done. Clearly not the kind of stuff that will help turn out at the polls. No one to blame for this accept sloppy supervision at ACORN. They have to know what their volunteers or employees are doing. JMONTOMEPPOF Chuck Repke **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)
Lee gives why he supports Sarah Palin. Maybe he should take a look at a recent report on her relationship with the Alaska Independence Party. While not a member, she spoke at their 2008 convention and told them to keep up their good work. Check it out: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/ One of the paragraphs in this piece: Though Chryson belongs to a fringe political party, one that advocates the secession of Alaska from the Union, and that organizes with other like-minded secessionist movements from Canada to the Deep South, he is not without peculiar influence in state politics, especially the rise of Sarah Palin. An obscure figure outside of Alaska, Chryson has been a political fixture in the hometown of the Republican vice-presidential nominee for over a decade. During the 1990s, when Chryson directed the AIP, he and another radical right-winger, Steve Stoll, played a quiet but pivotal role in electing Palin as mayor of Wasilla and shaping her political agenda afterward. Both Stoll and Chryson not only contributed to Palins campaign financially, they played major behind-the-scenes roles in the Palin camp before, during and after her victory. Lee read more. She may be your type of candidate, but I think what she is associated with is treasonous. Mike Fratto Payne Phalen Please help those who don't get enough to eat. http://oyh.org http://hungersolutions.org The future depends more on what we do between now and then Than what we did in the past.
When people talk about the "Alaska Independence Party", it reminds me of the
scene in "Red Dawn", where the KGB officer and the Cuban kommissar are talking
with the town's mayor about his son, who's fled to the hills to join the
resistance.
"Your son vas a member of an elite paramilitary group", says the gebist.
"Huh?" responds the mayor, not comprehending.
"An 'Eagle Scout'".
Todd and Sarah Palin's "involvement" with the AIP was brief, ancient and very,
very shallow. But "secessionist" groups, and other groups that are intensely
pissed at Washington, are endemic in the rural west; you don't even have to
drive to Alaska to find 'em. It may be hard for the dominant "culture" on this
forum to comprehend, given that most of you are either wards or employees of
Mother Government, but the farther west you go (Seattle and Portland and
California notwithstanding), the less popular Mama Government is. Sometimes
the opposition is tongue in cheek (like the North Dakota secessionist group I
hung out with - most of us for yuks); sometimes it's not (like the Posse
Comitatus that shot it out with the US Marshalls 30 miles west of my hometown,
25 years ago; the Feds earned themselves no goodwill, by the way, acting like
an occuping army during their manhunt). For the most part, it's general
dissatisfaction with the notion that the Feds,
in the west, are more likely to be oppressors than enablers.
And in a place like Alaska - a place where a lot of people move to get AWAY
from the stultifying aspects of too much government and civilization - it's
merely good politics to make nice with groups like the AIP; their vote counts
the same as yours does, and they are disproportionally strong in places like
rural Alaska. Reaching out to the AIP makes as much sense in Alaska as getting
the votes of the homeless, the illiterate and the vacuously smug in the Twin
Cities; they're not-insignificant constituencies.
Oh, yeah; and when Fratto says:
On Oct 10, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Mitch Berg wrote:
> Todd and Sarah Palin's "involvement" with the AIP was brief,
> ancient and very, very shallow.
From FactCheck.org:
"The director of Alaska’s Division of Elections, Gail Fenumiai, ...
told FactCheck.org that Palin’s husband, Todd, was registered with
AIP from October 1995 to July 2000, and again from September 2000
until July 2002. (He has since been registered as undeclared.)
However, the AIP says Todd Palin "never participated in any party
activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time."
There is still some dispute as to whether Sarah Palin also attended
the AIP’s 1994 convention, held in Wasilla. Clark and another AIP
official told ABC News’ Jake Tapper that both Palins were there.
Palin was elected mayor of Wasilla two years later. The McCain
campaign says Sarah Palin went to the 2000 AIP convention, also held
in Wasilla, “as a courtesy since she was mayor.” As governor, Palin
sent a video message to the 2008 convention, which is available on
YouTube, and the AIP says she attended in 2006 when she was
campaigning."
Yet Mitch (and his colleague at the eponymous Hot Air blog) have the
vapors over Obama and Ayers serving on the same boards and Ayers
hosting a "meet-and-greet" coffee party back in the 1990s. I guess
"ancient" is in the eye of the beholder.
> Yet Mitch (and his colleague at the eponymous Hot Air blog) > have the > vapors over Obama and Ayers serving on the same boards and > Ayers > hosting a "meet-and-greet" coffee party back in > the 1990s. I guess > "ancient" is in the eye of the beholder. Ah, good ol' Rick. His ability to group apples with apples is right up there with his ability to run a fair, diverse, "discussion" forum. (Bwahaha. I slay me). If you can't see the difference between active, passionate involvement, attending a meeting, and giving a campaign speech to a fringe but not-unimportant constituency - especially given the context which I helpfully provided - then you are truly qualified to be nothing *more* than a DFL hive creature. Skip away. Go on. Skip. It's pretty clear that the closest thing Rick can find to a "point" is calling "Hot Air" "eponymous" - which is both a clumsy ad-hominem and a bit of of a malaprop. Think about it for a while. No, I mean *think*. Don't worry. The Obamessiah will never find out that you've been doing it. Oh, yeah - and if Palin is a "traitor" for having cross-pollinated with a group with unfashionably-fringey-libertarian views (you're never gonna live that one down, Fratto), I guess Obama's dalliance with the "New Party" should be *real* news! http://www.patterico.com/2008/10/08/barack-obama-his-membership-in-the-new-party-and-his-connections-to-socialists/ Right? Hello? Anyone here? All I can hear is the echoing... ...oh, yeah, right. Echo chamber. Can anyone actually address the issue *in* context? (it's a rhetorical question. Don't bother). Mitch Berg Don't Tread On Me The Midway
More important than the question of whether Obama's association with Ayers and
the Rev. is more or less bad than Palin's association with the AIP is the fact
that it is the McCain campaign that's decided this is an issue we should be
considering. Because, let's be honest, no-one should care one whit about this
nonsense. McCain has attempted to raise this as an issue simply because he
knows he can't win unless he can divert peoples' attention from the issues that
matter; issues like the economy and foreign relations on which he is abysmal.
The way in which McCain has chosen to conduct his campaign says a lot more
about him and his character than Obama's long past associations say about him.
And once again, Mitch fails to distinguish why Palin's involvement with the
"AIP" is "ancient" (in Mitch's words) but Obama's more dated involvement
with Ayers (whose illegal actions are 40 years old) are relevant. Guess if
you belong to Mitch's hive of conservatism, you just buzz around ignoring
the lack of intellectual honesty and redefining "ancient."
As to Mitch's self-described "helpful"
description of AIP -- I'll use another of his phrases: "Bwahaha. He slays
me"
This just in, "Alaska ethics probe finds Palin abused her power" http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081011/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_palin_4 "ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - An Alaska ethics inquiry found that Gov. Sarah Palin, the U.S. Republican vice presidential candidate, abused the power of her office by dismissing the state's public safety commissioner, a report released on Friday said.".... "Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired," the report said." The AP story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate_44 "Investigator Stephen Branchflower, in a report by a bipartisan panel that investigated the matter, found Palin in violation of a state ethics law that prohibits public officials from using their office for personal gain.".... "The investigation revealed that Palin's husband, Todd, has extraordinary access to the governor's office and her closest advisers. He used that access to try to get trooper Mike Wooten fired, the report found. Branchflower faulted Sarah Palin for taking no action to stop that. He also noted there is evidence the governor herself participated in the effort." Mitch, as regards to Palin being associated with the AIP, I heard on the radio today, (yes, Liberal radio...I know you get your news from conservative radio...so we're even), that reaseachers found that just this year, Palin, tapped a keynote speech for the AIP convention. Actually, it is common knowledge that her first dude husband has been a member of AIP for several years. I would say that a keynote speech is much more than just "attending a meeting" or a "coffee party" as you proclaimed. I also guess being married to an AIP member is darn close to "passionate involvement", if not, what is wrong with this picture? Oh yes, this is not an ancient relationship. Gary Thompson St Paul
Hello All, Here is a link to the non-confidential version of the report Gary mentions: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20081010_TROOPER.pdf This country fought an extremely bloody war over secession. Those seceding committed treason. Why is it different now? Because they are on the right of the political spectrum? That is no excuse. As to the 2nd Amendment, Democrats get your guns. The 2nd Amendment is for political protection. Mike Schoenberg St. Paul
Rick Mons wrote:
> fails to distinguish why Palin's involvement with the
> "AIP" is "ancient" (in Mitch's words) but Obama's more dated involvement
> with Ayers (whose illegal actions are 40 years old) are relevant. Guess if
> you belong to Mitch's hive of conservatism, you just buzz around ignoring
> the lack of intellectual honesty and redefining "ancient."
About Rep. Keith Ellison's past involvement with the Nation of Islam and
CAIR - is that recent enough?
Neal Krasnoff
Minneapolis
BACK to the original topic, it seems the voting registration policies are the
real cause of the voter fraud by Acorn and some red states. It should not be
hard to register to take advantage of a right. People will act desperately to
"fix" a situation that they see as stacked against them. Make registration
simpler and reasonably accessible (not necessarily easier - I want a voter to
take their right seriously. An uneducated, uncommitted vote can easily produce
a bad situation.)
As was stated previously, Obama is probably NOT remotely related to Acorn's
alleged fraud. It is statements like these that continue Obama's untrue
association with Islam, which should NOT be considered a bad fact anyway.
I'm sure fraudulent voter registration is against the law, and
certainly it should be, but is that what voter fraud means? The
election venue will end up with "voters" on its rolls who perhaps do
not exist, but is any person actually going to claim to be one of
those voters and actually vote?
I always thought voter fraud was voting by ineligible persons.
I think that the real voter fraud, the one I worry about, that can be
done in numbers high enough to affect election outcomes, is fraud
perpetrated not by voters but ON voters -- things like purging voter
rolls of voters who are actually eligible.
Jeane
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:09:02 +1300 (NZDT), you wrote:
>BACK to the original topic, it seems the voting registration policies are the
real cause of the voter fraud by Acorn and some red states. It should not be
hard to register to take advantage of a right. People will act desperately to
"fix" a situation that they see as stacked against them. Make registration
simpler and reasonably accessible (not necessarily easier - I want a voter to
take their right seriously. An uneducated, uncommitted vote can easily produce
a bad situation.)
>
>As was stated previously, Obama is probably NOT remotely related to Acorn's
alleged fraud. It is statements like these that continue Obama's untrue
association with Islam, which should NOT be considered a bad fact anyway.