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From: charlie bolton Date: 2007 Mar 15 08:49 UTC Short link

The council is considering going for residents parkng schemes for different
areas of the city, all of which face huge and growing parking problems.

Since I have been a councillor, I have been contacted by many people
complaining about commuter parking and asking if/when residents parking is
coming in. (Of course Linda Salter and my predecssor, Matthew Symonds, were
involved in a survey of residents a year or so ago - I will leave it to them to
say more).

So the question is this - would you pay to have a better chance of parking near
your home? If so, how much? Is residents parking the way ahead? Or is it an
affront, another council money-grabbing exercise?

From: Ali Bevan Date: 2007 Mar 15 11:43 UTC Short link

Charlie, I think the issue for most commuters is the lack of cheap, reliable
public transport. If this issue was addressed it would negate lots of the
problems with parking. Obviously, this is 'pie in the sky' as this particular
argument has been running for years.
On a lighter note, I would not pay residents parking fees, were I unlucky
enough to have a garage now, as my husband has had one car stolen and written
off, another stolen and one smashed to pieces with a brick since we moved to
Windmill Hill two and a half years ago. I think if an element of a residents
charge included a security component I may change my view.
Ali

From: Ali Bevan Date: 2007 Mar 15 11:45 UTC Short link

Sorry, should read I am lucky enough to have a garage - no edit feature :-)

From: Stephanie Wardle Date: 2007 Mar 15 12:09 UTC Short link

Hello

  Surely people in Southville live near enough to the city centre not to need a
car at all? it's a 5-10 minute walk, after all...! (hides behind sofa).


  How about paying parking fees to people who cycle/walk catch the bus as an
incentive to green commuting?

  Awaits flak....

  STeph :)


charlie bolton <<email obscured>> wrote:
  The council is considering going for residents parkng schemes for different
areas of the city, all of which face huge and growing parking problems.

Since I have been a councillor, I have been contacted by many people
complaining about commuter parking and asking if/when residents parking is
coming in. (Of course Linda Salter and my predecssor, Matthew Symonds, were
involved in a survey of residents a year or so ago - I will leave it to them to
say more).

So the question is this - would you pay to have a better chance of parking near
your home? If so, how much? Is residents parking the way ahead? Or is it an
affront, another council money-grabbing exercise?

charlie bolton
Southville, Bristol
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From: Christopher Woods Date: 2007 Mar 15 14:04 UTC Short link

As I don't have a car and always bus or walk, I find the antics of both
commuter and resident parkers hilarious. However I could easily bomb the
ones who park outside my house at about 7am and listen to radio news so loud
I can hear it in bed! Chris


>From: stephanie wardle <<email obscured>>
>To: Greater Bedminster Neighbourhood Forum
><<email obscured>>
>Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:02:44 +0000 (GMT)
>
>Hello
>
>   Surely people in Southville live near enough to the city centre not to
>need a car at all? it's a 5-10 minute walk, after all...! (hides behind
>sofa).
>
>
>   How about paying parking fees to people who cycle/walk catch the bus as
>an incentive to green commuting?
>
>   Awaits flak....
>
>   STeph :)
>
>
>charlie bolton <<email obscured>> wrote:
>   The council is considering going for residents parkng schemes for
>different areas of the city, all of which face huge and growing parking
>problems.
>
>Since I have been a councillor, I have been contacted by many people
>complaining about commuter parking and asking if/when residents parking is
>coming in. (Of course Linda Salter and my predecssor, Matthew Symonds, were
>involved in a survey of residents a year or so ago - I will leave it to
>them to say more).
>
>So the question is this - would you pay to have a better chance of parking
>near your home? If so, how much? Is residents parking the way ahead? Or is
>it an affront, another council money-grabbing exercise?
>
>charlie bolton
>Southville, Bristol
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From: diane jones Date: 2007 Mar 15 15:45 UTC Short link

No flak form me - totally agree that many people could reduce car use, and
even ownership.

However not everyone works in the centre, and I also strongly agree with
Charlie that something REALLY needs to be done about public transport (the
24 route through Southville is so consistantly appalling that it's
unreliability is all you can rely on).  Costs of public transport to
travellors has increased much faster than motoring costs for many years.

And there are increasing numbers of 4x4's.  What do people think they are
doing in these things, on the school run in particular.  Still, no doubt
they need them for all the off road acres in Southville.
Diane

----- Original Message -----
From: "stephanie wardle" <<email obscured>>
To: "Greater Bedminster Neighbourhood Forum"
<<email obscured>>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking


> Hello
>
>  Surely people in Southville live near enough to the city centre not to
> need a car at all? it's a 5-10 minute walk, after all...! (hides behind
> sofa).
>
>
>  How about paying parking fees to people who cycle/walk catch the bus as
> an incentive to green commuting?
>
>  Awaits flak....
>
>  STeph :)
>
>
> charlie bolton <<email obscured>> wrote:
>  The council is considering going for residents parkng schemes for
> different areas of the city, all of which face huge and growing parking
> problems.
>
> Since I have been a councillor, I have been contacted by many people
> complaining about commuter parking and asking if/when residents parking is
> coming in. (Of course Linda Salter and my predecssor, Matthew Symonds,
> were involved in a survey of residents a year or so ago - I will leave it
> to them to say more).
>
> So the question is this - would you pay to have a better chance of parking
> near your home? If so, how much? Is residents parking the way ahead? Or is
> it an affront, another council money-grabbing exercise?
>
> charlie bolton
> Southville, Bristol
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From: Emma Winfield Date: 2007 Mar 15 17:39 UTC Short link

Personally against Residents Parking Schemes, please no more Council
bureaucracy - let's use our energy, and the energy, funds and employees the
Council would have used for such a scheme, to come up with a properly
sustainable and sensible public transport service.

Rather than beat people with a stick, let's engage people humourously and
creatively to explore public transport options, pedestrianisation options, and
so on - instead of green-washing us with the Green Capital non-happening, why
not start small and Bristol aim to become the exemplar modern city in Britain
for community and public MOBILITY (rather than 'transport') - get the city
active, moving & interacting more, with a multi-strand approach of some
community & public transport, more cycling, and much more walking?

From: charlie bolton Date: 2007 Mar 16 09:06 UTC Short link

The problem is that car ownership is increasing. By about half a million a
year, UK-wide, which could easily translate into 1 car per street a year in
Bemmie.

We are already seeing symptoms of this (bollards, opposition to new
developments, anger at vehicles which are left in one place for periods of time
). I get contacted by people with health problems, with children, or who are
just unhappy/fearful at the thought of having to walk several streets from car
to home at night.

I see no evidence that the trend to increase car ownership is stopping or
reversing.

So what happens when the area is full - or over-full? (I have visions of a
parking version of road rage)

And what do you want your streets to be - car parks - or something more?

Doing nothing and hoping for public transport - well, it is one way - but
progress on Bristol having decent public transport is painfully slow and will
cost huge amounts of money not currently available.

Residents parking is the only thing I have come across which would be a method
to physically limit the levels of car ownership in the area.

It would address commuter parking. It would address shopper/night out parking
(unpopular with the streets around North St - which would then be a problem for
the traders). It gives people a better chance of parking near to their homes.
It might address problems with people parking too close to the ends of streets
(which in itself may prove unpopular, because it may reduce the number of
spaces available).

The biggest downside, of course,  will be the fact that it will cost money.


Charlie Bolton
Green Party Councillor
Southville

>>> "Emma" <<email obscured>> 15/03/07 17:42 >>>

Personally against Residents Parking Schemes, please no more Council
bureaucracy - let's use our energy, and the energy, funds and employees the
Council would have used for such a scheme, to come up with a properly
sustainable and sensible public transport service.

Rather than beat people with a stick, let's engage people humourously and
creatively to explore public transport options, pedestrianisation options, and
so on - instead of green-washing us with the Green Capital non-happening, why
not start small and Bristol aim to become the exemplar modern city in Britain
for community and public MOBILITY (rather than 'transport') - get the city
active, moving & interacting more, with a multi-strand approach of some
community & public transport, more cycling, and much more walking?

Emma

Emma
Ashton, Bristol
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From: Linda Salter Date: 2007 Mar 16 15:10 UTC Short link

Hi Everyone
Residents parking doesn't have to be an all day thing if it is to just deter
commuters. A two hour slot from 11.30am to 1.30pm would do the trick. I don't
know anyone who can have daily two hour lunch breaks to move the car out of a
resticted zone so my guess is that they wouldn't park there in the first place.
It already happens in some towns and cities.
Linda

From: Linda Salter Date: 2007 Mar 16 15:10 UTC Short link

Forgot to say that 'parking rage' already happens in some of our streets.

From: John Purkiss Date: 2007 Mar 16 21:39 UTC Short link

I'm all for a residents parking scheme, if only to deter commuters who insist
on using Southville and Bedminster as a free parking lot.  They should be using
the park & ride sites.  I like Linda's idea to set a core time in the middle of
the day.

From: Susan Weil Date: 2007 Mar 17 11:29 UTC Short link

Jumping in for the first time!

When I moved into Southville 3 years ago, there were so many parking spaces
available  -night and day. Now, still a non-car owner despite the terrible
public transport system, I am shocked by how full the streets now are with
cars, especially in an area that is so close to the Centre.

A few stones for the pond to see what they draw:

1) I think that each house should be allowed one resident's parking permit per
car for their street.  The rest of the cars have to hunt for spaces.

2 If we move to residents' parking permits, I believe that residents should
also pay for visitors' parking permits (e.g. packs of 20 for 20) but that
people who do not own cars should be given 2 free visitor permit books per
year.

3) I think all of us in Southville who walk, cycle and try to use (slightly
better but still too infrequent and undependable) buses should do mass
'walk-ins' along Coronation Road once a month, with advanced warning through
the media.  This would demonstrate just how much worse the gridlock would be if
we too all gave up and bought and/or used cars.

What thinks thee all?

From: Stephen Wickham Date: 2007 Mar 17 12:52 UTC Short link

I tend to agree that "the times they are a changing", and whereas I would
have been totally agin residents parking some years ago I would be more
prepared to go with the flow now. The problem comes with finding the cash!
We risk pricing Southville folk off the road while commuters will always
find a way to pay, park free somewhere else, or change job. (and if you have
not noticed local B2 employment is evaporating like petrol in the sun as
speculators push everything toward flat-building)

I agree with John Purkiss a central time  period of residents parking,
slightly out of kilter with another district so that the same enforcement
team can be used twice or more on one set of wages to minimise costs, might
be cost effective.

And everyone's circumstances are both different and change.

Personally I could say I moved in here because of easy motorway access and
the view of the river. 20 years later one of those reasons is much less
relevant! But access to the town centre is if anything worse, and more
expensive unless you use a bicycle.
Personally I have more than one car but one is a major hobby, created most
of its carbon footprint in the 1960's, does very little mileage and lives
off-street, (one can only drive one car at once!) so I'm apprehensive about
second car costs.

Part of the present problem is that the economy is relatively booming so a
lot of people are coming North into central Bristol from the South. That
could change particularly if property were to crash again, as rapid churn
rate in older housing creates a lot of invisible jobs for small building
tradesmen, as well as the very visible new builds.

Personally I think a docks footbridge near SSGB is essential (but perhaps I
should start another discussion group on that!) As Ben Barker has pointed
out elsewhere in the past that would make Vauxhall Bridge far more  popular
with pedestrians to and from Southville, but also attract the commuters cars
to my end of Coronation Road in the same way as they land like flies on
cowpats in and around Osborne Rd! (to use the gaol ferry footbridge, and
then Princes st bridge on foot.).

What we all need to be aware of is that the NCP car park behind the
Industrial Museum will close suddenly if and when development of Wapping
Warf commences and that COULD put 200-300 cars in our backstreets overnight,
assuming some of the 500 will make other arrangements. A sudden change of
that sort could be precipitative in terms of our needing a parking scheme.
Watch that space!

All best
Stephen Wickham (Coronation Road, west end)

From: Ben barker Date: 2007 Mar 17 17:10 UTC Short link

Keep these ideas coming.   BCC is currently looking at residents' parking
issues in the doughnut around the city centre.   I have no idea what will be
proposed, if anything, but it's due to go to the Executive member by the
summer.   We'll make sure that all the ideas, for and against, generated in
the Bedminster Issues Forum are passed to the officers drawing up the
proposals.   Cheers,   Ben.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Wickham" <<email obscured>>
To: "Linda Salter" <<email obscured>>; "Charles Bolton"
<<email obscured>>; <<email obscured>>;
<<email obscured>>
Cc: "Main Identity" <<email obscured>>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking


>I tend to agree that "the times they are a changing", and whereas I would
>have been totally agin residents parking some years ago I would be more
>prepared to go with the flow now. The problem comes with finding the cash!
>We risk pricing Southville folk off the road while commuters will always
>find a way to pay, park free somewhere else, or change job. (and if you
>have not noticed local B2 employment is evaporating like petrol in the sun
>as speculators push everything toward flat-building)
>
> I agree with John Purkiss a central time  period of residents parking,
> slightly out of kilter with another district so that the same enforcement
> team can be used twice or more on one set of wages to minimise costs,
> might be cost effective.
>
> And everyone's circumstances are both different and change.
>
> Personally I could say I moved in here because of easy motorway access and
> the view of the river. 20 years later one of those reasons is much less
> relevant! But access to the town centre is if anything worse, and more
> expensive unless you use a bicycle.
> Personally I have more than one car but one is a major hobby, created most
> of its carbon footprint in the 1960's, does very little mileage and lives
> off-street, (one can only drive one car at once!) so I'm apprehensive
> about second car costs.
>
> Part of the present problem is that the economy is relatively booming so a
> lot of people are coming North into central Bristol from the South. That
> could change particularly if property were to crash again, as rapid churn
> rate in older housing creates a lot of invisible jobs for small building
> tradesmen, as well as the very visible new builds.
>
> Personally I think a docks footbridge near SSGB is essential (but perhaps
> I should start another discussion group on that!) As Ben Barker has
> pointed out elsewhere in the past that would make Vauxhall Bridge far more
> popular with pedestrians to and from Southville, but also attract the
> commuters cars to my end of Coronation Road in the same way as they land
> like flies on cowpats in and around Osborne Rd! (to use the gaol ferry
> footbridge, and then Princes st bridge on foot.).
>
> What we all need to be aware of is that the NCP car park behind the
> Industrial Museum will close suddenly if and when development of Wapping
> Warf commences and that COULD put 200-300 cars in our backstreets
> overnight, assuming some of the 500 will make other arrangements. A sudden
> change of that sort could be precipitative in terms of our needing a
> parking scheme. Watch that space!
>
> All best
> Stephen Wickham (Coronation Road, west end)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking
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From: Cecilia Weightman Date: 2007 Mar 18 13:50 UTC Short link

I live just off East Street and the parking and problems we have over here are
horrendous.  I live in a small block of flats that has it's own car park which
is rarely full.  The residents still don't use the car park.  They park on one
nearby street in particular which has double yellows down one side on the
double yellows and then complain on the odd occasion that they get tickets.
One or two residents don't bother with either the carpark or the double yellow
lines instead preferring to drive down the pavement where the entrance to the
flats are virtually concealed entrances because they feel it's a bother using
the carpark!  Add to this the fact that we live near at least two busy carparks
we get people parking on pavements, disabled badge holders ignoring restriction
times and parking on yellow lines all day.  We even have motorcyclists parking
in the cycle lanes because "doesn't the bike sign mean I'm allowed to park
here?"  East Street itself is almost as busy with traffic as it was before the
traffic was restricted - it's supposed to be buses, taxis and cycles only yet
the car drivers just ignore this.  Not that cyclists in Bedminster use the
roads of course, they're all too busy trying to get out of the way of all those
awful people who insist on using the pavements.

From: Emma Winfield Date: 2007 Mar 18 22:13 UTC Short link

Hi Ben

  If anything can go in the mix, I'll chip in with the following!

  "Pedestrianise Bristol and claim it back for the people, businesses & ideas
that make up this amazing city!"

  - complusory PARK & WALK (not park & ride) on the edges of Bristol, along
tree-lined routes lined with benches, stalls selling fresh local food for
lunch, drinking fountains

  - no personal cars in the city during working hours (& no 'executive
exceptions', including all council staff & elected members)

  - only community transport (for people with mobility or access difficulties)
within the inner city centre

  - public transport and taxis can only be caught outside the inner city centre
- within easy walking distance, but keeping out all the central snarl-ups by
catching them at the exit point appropriate to your journey

  - a central, free tam service on a loop around the edge of the inner city
centre to get you to the appropriate exit point for public transport or taxis

  - a business supply tram service around the edge of the inner city centre for
deliveries to businesses in the centre, to be collected on trollies

  - market stalls around the inner city centre, providing local fresh food &
drinks in washable containers to be deposited in collection bins for cleaning

  - separate recycling bins instead of 'catch-all' rubbish bins

  - business meeting points all round the inner city centre, so people can meet
outdoors under shelter

  I could go on, but I won't!  Always worth adding another voice and another
vision, though - you never know who might be listening!

  Best wishes

  Emma

  Emma Winfield
  Tansition City Bristol


Ben Barker <<email obscured>> wrote:
  Keep these ideas coming. BCC is currently looking at residents' parking
issues in the doughnut around the city centre. I have no idea what will be
proposed, if anything, but it's due to go to the Executive member by the
summer. We'll make sure that all the ideas, for and against, generated in
the Bedminster Issues Forum are passed to the officers drawing up the
proposals. Cheers, Ben.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Wickham"
To: "Linda Salter"
; "Charles Bolton"
; ;

Cc: "Main Identity"
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking


>I tend to agree that "the times they are a changing", and whereas I would
>have been totally agin residents parking some years ago I would be more
>prepared to go with the flow now. The problem comes with finding the cash!
>We risk pricing Southville folk off the road while commuters will always
>find a way to pay, park free somewhere else, or change job. (and if you
>have not noticed local B2 employment is evaporating like petrol in the sun
>as speculators push everything toward flat-building)
>
> I agree with John Purkiss a central time period of residents parking,
> slightly out of kilter with another district so that the same enforcement
> team can be used twice or more on one set of wages to minimise costs,
> might be cost effective.
>
> And everyone's circumstances are both different and change.
>
> Personally I could say I moved in here because of easy motorway access and
> the view of the river. 20 years later one of those reasons is much less
> relevant! But access to the town centre is if anything worse, and more
> expensive unless you use a bicycle.
> Personally I have more than one car but one is a major hobby, created most
> of its carbon footprint in the 1960's, does very little mileage and lives
> off-street, (one can only drive one car at once!) so I'm apprehensive
> about second car costs.
>
> Part of the present problem is that the economy is relatively booming so a
> lot of people are coming North into central Bristol from the South. That
> could change particularly if property were to crash again, as rapid churn
> rate in older housing creates a lot of invisible jobs for small building
> tradesmen, as well as the very visible new builds.
>
> Personally I think a docks footbridge near SSGB is essential (but perhaps
> I should start another discussion group on that!) As Ben Barker has
> pointed out elsewhere in the past that would make Vauxhall Bridge far more
> popular with pedestrians to and from Southville, but also attract the
> commuters cars to my end of Coronation Road in the same way as they land
> like flies on cowpats in and around Osborne Rd! (to use the gaol ferry
> footbridge, and then Princes st bridge on foot.).
>
> What we all need to be aware of is that the NCP car park behind the
> Industrial Museum will close suddenly if and when development of Wapping
> Warf commences and that COULD put 200-300 cars in our backstreets
> overnight, assuming some of the 500 will make other arrangements. A sudden
> change of that sort could be precipitative in terms of our needing a
> parking scheme. Watch that space!
>
> All best
> Stephen Wickham (Coronation Road, west end)
>
>
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From: Emma Winfield Date: 2007 Mar 18 22:30 UTC Short link

Hi Susan

I like all your ideas, especially the "walk-ins" - count me in for getting
those up and running.

My only query is, how would "one permit per house" meet the reality that lots
of houses in our area (including mine) rather than having empty guest rooms are
filled with independent sharers?  Maybe one permit per house would encourage
car sharing, but it can be very tricky to set up privately with someone you
houseshare with.  How about instead BCC funds a massive increase in car share
vehicles available, in some ratio of one per 'x' houses in a street?  Easier to
manage centrally than all houses trying to negotiate private car shares.

Of course, this is all with the proviso that these cars, private or car shares,
can only drive around or out of Bristol, since everyone will be cycling or
walking into the centre (or hopping in community transport if needed) along the
beautiful tree-lined routes I imposed on Bristol in my previous post?!  Of
course, some people will be persistently late for work, as they won't be able
to resist stopping on the benches and playing a quick game of chess or
backgammon along the way!

Best wishes

From: Debbie Harris Date: 2007 May 03 12:55 UTC Short link

Hi there

Just to say that my sister lives in South London and they have had real
problems since they introduced residents' parking. As with all schemes, it
allows anyone who lives in the area to park anywhere in the area and often
(with the growth in car ownership) the streets around my sister's flat are full
and she is left to park fairly far away (not easy with a toddler). She's found
that the new scheme has not given any benefits, just that she has to pay to
park just as far away as she did in the first place.

It's worth noting that her immediate area became much fuller of cars on the
introduction of the congestion charge - surely this would happen to areas just
on the fringe of the proposed Bristol 'doughnut' zone?

Secondly, it's become impossible for any tradesperson coming to work on a house
to park without paying a steep visitors parking charge - which again gives no
guarantees of their being able to park anywhere nearby. Visitors also encounter
the same problems - apart from the cost, if they stay overnight in the week, it
means getting up at 7am to display another visitor's ticket.

I also find it very interesting that Clifton residents and businesspeople
rejected controlled parking zones when they were mooted a few years ago.

Something does need to be done - and that is to create a good public transport
system!

From: Kevin Date: Jun 25 16:23 UTC Short link

Hi. I have lived in a street just off West Street for the last 18 years and
have to say that parking availability in the street has varied from year to
year. However, over the last 3-4 years it has become increasingly difficult to
find a space near my house in the evening.

I am a one-car household, but have noticed properties nearby with 4 or more
vehicles associated with them. It seems to me that the trend of converting 3
bed Victorian houses into flats is significantly adding to the parking problems
(you just have to look at the planning page on the council web site to see that
large numbers are being converted). Added to that is the new Airpoint
development (and other large blocks of flats) where I understand a charge of £6
000 was being levied for each parking space. It will be interesting to see the
effect this has on parking in the area when all the residents who have
vehicles, but not parking spaces, have moved in!

On the face of it, it appears that this proposed scheme would not benefit me in
any way other than to annually rob me of £40! Having said that, I would gladly
pay a reasonably significant sum if I could be guaranteed parking directly in
front of my property. After all, there is enough space there for my car!

Some possible suggestions are:

o	Utilise supermarket/council parking areas for residential parking overnight.
The likes of Sainsbury’s, Aldi, Lidl (for Airpoint!) and Asda have significant
areas available.
o	Subsidise bus fares - £1:70p for a single from West Street to the Crematorium
on Bedminster Down is hardly going to encourage the use of public transport.
o	Reduce the price of Park and Ride to encourage more use of it
o	Allow Bristol City Fans to use the Ashton Park and Ride on match days, but
charge them.
o	Further encourage and advertise the City Car Clubs
o	Let the trial areas for the Residential Parking Scheme have the first car for
free.
o	Perhaps the Government could consider adjusting the tax rules that encourage
people to have both a Company vehicle and also a private vehicle.
o	Install ski type drag lifts to get people up the hills!….. not too serious
about this one!

A colleague lives in a similar area in Swindon with a residential parking
scheme that has been in place for a number of years. He comments that it worked
at first, but as more houses have been converted to flats they now have the
same difficulties in parking as they had before the scheme was introduced!
Also, there is a large council car park near to him that the council refuse to
open up for overnight parking!

From: Matthew Symonds Date: Jun 25 17:46 UTC Short link

Kevin

I agree with some of your suggestions but wondered if you think that all the
proposals outlined in the residents parking scheme (RPS) consultation document
would not benfeit you or just some of it?

The way I have read the consultation document I think the proposal to restrict
the permits in houses of multiple occupation to 1 and that any future
conversions of single house to multiple dwellings would also not be eligible
for permits might help your concerns. It doesn't sound like they have put
restrictions on new development in the area of Swindon your friend lives in.

With regard to the cost, of course, nobody want to pay to park but I guess if
any residents parking scheme were to be enforced properly then the staff to
enforce it would need to be paid by someone. The consultation paper says that
the revenue raised would go towards these costs and any surplus would be spent
on public transport. If there were a RPS would you rather it were funding out
of general council tax which might mean higher bills or just prefer no scheme
if there were a cost to residents who drive or council tax payers?

Ski lifts on hills, not sure?

Bike lifts on Park Street - now you're talking!

Looking forward to much more deabte on this issue on the forum.

Best wishes

<email obscured>> To: <email obscured>>
From: <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:24:02 +1200> > Hi. I have lived in a street just off
West Street for the last 18 years and have to say that parking availability in
the street has varied from year to year. However, over the last 3-4 years it
has become increasingly difficult to find a space near my house in the evening.
> > I am a one-car household, but have noticed properties nearby with 4 or more
vehicles associated with them. It seems to me that the trend of converting 3
bed Victorian houses into flats is significantly adding to the parking problems
(you just have to look at the planning page on the council web site to see that
large numbers are being converted). Added to that is the new Airpoint
development (and other large blocks of flats) where I understand a charge of 6
000 was being levied for each parking space. It will be interesting to see the
effect this has on parking in the area when all the residents who have
vehicles, but not parking spaces, have moved in!> > On the face of it, it
appears that this proposed scheme would not benefit me in any way other than to
annually rob me of 40! Having said that, I would gladly pay a reasonably
significant sum if I could be guaranteed parking directly in front of my
property. After all, there is enough space there for my car!> > Some possible
suggestions are:> > o Utilise supermarket/council parking areas for residential
parking overnight. The likes of Sainsburys, Aldi, Lidl (for Airpoint!) and Asda
have significant areas available. > o Subsidise bus fares - 1:70p for a single
from West Street to the Crematorium on Bedminster Down is hardly going to
encourage the use of public transport.> o Reduce the price of Park and Ride to
encourage more use of it> o Allow Bristol City Fans to use the Ashton Park and
Ride on match days, but charge them.> o Further encourage and advertise the
City Car Clubs> o Let the trial areas for the Residential Parking Scheme have
the first car for free.> o Perhaps the Government could consider adjusting the
tax rules that encourage people to have both a Company vehicle and also a
private vehicle.> o Install ski type drag lifts to get people up the hills!..
not too serious about this one!> > A colleague lives in a similar area in
Swindon with a residential parking scheme that has been in place for a number
of years. He comments that it worked at first, but as more houses have been
converted to flats they now have the same difficulties in parking as they had
before the scheme was introduced! Also, there is a large council car park near
to him that the council refuse to open up for overnight parking!> > Regards> >
Kevin> > > Kevin Henderson> Bedminster> Info about Kevin:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/43uMwNBtQLxabLe2JXSkVG> > This topic's messages
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From: Philip Cobbold Date: Jun 27 07:52 UTC Short link

Good morning Mathew,
Having been involved with the first proposed Residents Parking Scheme in
Clifton and Cotham in the early 90's,I have yet to be convinced of the need
to create a blanket area such as the current proposals.
In the Southville and Ashton areas there is no great need for a RPS>
As you know,Southville covers the area along York Road and Coronation
Road,these two roads do suffer from commuter parking during the day, there
is generally no problem with parking in the evenings and weekends, even on
match days.
There are a few ( less than a dozen I would say ) commuters who park on
Raleigh Road, the majority of these are employees of Imperial Tobacco who
park for a few hours whilst attending meetings, the greater number of
Imperial employees either park in their own car park or in the Aldi car
park.
Beauly Road does have parking problems during the day but a  lot of the
congestion and parking problems is caused by vehicles from Beauly Motors.
Leighton, Hamilton ,Birch and Upton Roads have no problem during the
daytime, there is always spaces there once residents have gone to work, any
non resident vehicles tend to be workmen  ,working on premises in the roads,
there is little or no commuter parking on these roads.
There is a problem in the evenings weekdays and weekends but this problem
has been caused by the conversion of single family houses to multi occupancy
properties, often meaning there is now 3 or 4 vehicles to a property.
There is sometimes a problem when City are playing at home but not always.
Having spoken to a large number of residents on the opposite side of Raleigh
Road and along the areas around Duckmoor Road, they have all expressed
similar opinions as to the above.( with of course the view that on match
days all their roads are coned off, so there is no problem.
If the majority of responses  from residents, to the questions are of the
opinion that there is no need for a RPS ,will the City Council listen to
residents and drop the idea of a blanket scheme or will they carry on with
their proposals.
yours
Philip Cobbold


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Matthew Symonds" <<email obscured>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:41 PM
To: "Kevin" <<email obscured>>; "Greater Bedminster Neighbourhood
Forum" <<email obscured>>
Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking

>
> Kevin
>
> I agree with some of your suggestions but wondered if you think that all
> the proposals outlined in the residents parking scheme (RPS) consultation
> document would not benfeit you or just some of it?
>
> The way I have read the consultation document I think the proposal to
> restrict the permits in houses of multiple occupation to 1 and that any
> future conversions of single house to multiple dwellings would also not be
> eligible for permits might help your concerns. It doesn't sound like they
> have put restrictions on new development in the area of Swindon your
> friend lives in.
>
> With regard to the cost, of course, nobody want to pay to park but I guess
> if any residents parking scheme were to be enforced properly then the
> staff to enforce it would need to be paid by someone. The consultation
> paper says that the revenue raised would go towards these costs and any
> surplus would be spent on public transport. If there were a RPS would you
> rather it were funding out of general council tax which might mean higher
> bills or just prefer no scheme if there were a cost to residents who drive
> or council tax payers?
>
> Ski lifts on hills, not sure?
>
> Bike lifts on Park Street - now you're talking!
>
> Looking forward to much more deabte on this issue on the forum.
>
> Best wishes
>
> <email obscured>> To: <email obscured>>
> From: <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents
> Parking> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:24:02 +1200> > Hi. I have lived in a
> street just off West Street for the last 18 years and have to say that
> parking availability in the street has varied from year to year. However,
> over the last 3-4 years it has become increasingly difficult to find a
> space near my house in the evening. > > I am a one-car household, but have
> noticed properties nearby with 4 or more vehicles associated with them. It
> seems to me that the trend of converting 3 bed Victorian houses into flats
> is significantly adding to the parking problems (you just have to look at
> the planning page on the council web site to see that large numbers are
> being converted). Added to that is the new Airpoint development (and other
> large blocks of flats) where I understand a charge of 6 000 was being
> levied for each parking space. It will be in
> teresting to see the effect this has on parking in the area when all the
> residents who have vehicles, but not parking spaces, have moved in!> > On
> the face of it, it appears that this proposed scheme would not benefit me
> in any way other than to annually rob me of 40! Having said that, I would
> gladly pay a reasonably significant sum if I could be guaranteed parking
> directly in front of my property. After all, there is enough space there
> for my car!> > Some possible suggestions are:> > o Utilise
> supermarket/council parking areas for residential parking overnight. The
> likes of Sainsburys, Aldi, Lidl (for Airpoint!) and Asda have significant
> areas available. > o Subsidise bus fares - 1:70p for a single from West
> Street to the Crematorium on Bedminster Down is hardly going to encourage
> the use of public transport.> o Reduce the price of Park and Ride to
> encourage more use of it> o Allow Bristol City Fans to use the Ashton Park
> and Ride on match days, but charge them.> o Further
> encourage and advertise the City Car Clubs> o Let the trial areas for the
> Residential Parking Scheme have the first car for free.> o Perhaps the
> Government could consider adjusting the tax rules that encourage people to
> have both a Company vehicle and also a private vehicle.> o Install ski
> type drag lifts to get people up the hills!.. not too serious about this
> one!> > A colleague lives in a similar area in Swindon with a residential
> parking scheme that has been in place for a number of years. He comments
> that it worked at first, but as more houses have been converted to flats
> they now have the same difficulties in parking as they had before the
> scheme was introduced! Also, there is a large council car park near to him
> that the council refuse to open up for overnight parking!> > Regards> >
> Kevin> > > Kevin Henderson> Bedminster> Info about Kevin:
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From: charlie bolton Date: Jun 27 08:22 UTC Short link

I have spoken to Colin Knight this morning (the officer who is leading the
consultation) who said that they are looking to put in two or three pilot areas
to see how it goes. The areas selected will be those most heavily in favour (I
think question 3 asks you if you are in favour).







Charlie Bolton
Green Party Councillor
Southville
>>> "tolly" <<email obscured>> 06/27/08 8:42 AM >>>
Good morning Mathew,
Having been involved with the first proposed Residents Parking Scheme in
Clifton and Cotham in the early 90's,I have yet to be convinced of the need
to create a blanket area such as the current proposals.
In the Southville and Ashton areas there is no great need for a RPS>
As you know,Southville covers the area along York Road and Coronation
Road,these two roads do suffer from commuter parking during the day, there
is generally no problem with parking in the evenings and weekends, even on
match days.
There are a few ( less than a dozen I would say ) commuters who park on
Raleigh Road, the majority of these are employees of Imperial Tobacco who
park for a few hours whilst attending meetings, the greater number of
Imperial employees either park in their own car park or in the Aldi car
park.
Beauly Road does have parking problems during the day but a  lot of the
congestion and parking problems is caused by vehicles from Beauly Motors.
Leighton, Hamilton ,Birch and Upton Roads have no problem during the
daytime, there is always spaces there once residents have gone to work, any
non resident vehicles tend to be workmen  ,working on premises in the roads,
there is little or no commuter parking on these roads.
There is a problem in the evenings weekdays and weekends but this problem
has been caused by the conversion of single family houses to multi occupancy
properties, often meaning there is now 3 or 4 vehicles to a property.
There is sometimes a problem when City are playing at home but not always.
Having spoken to a large number of residents on the opposite side of Raleigh
Road and along the areas around Duckmoor Road, they have all expressed
similar opinions as to the above.( with of course the view that on match
days all their roads are coned off, so there is no problem.
If the majority of responses  from residents, to the questions are of the
opinion that there is no need for a RPS ,will the City Council listen to
residents and drop the idea of a blanket scheme or will they carry on with
their proposals.
yours
Philip Cobbold


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Matthew Symonds" <<email obscured>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:41 PM
To: "Kevin" <<email obscured>>; "Greater Bedminster Neighbourhood
Forum" <<email obscured>>
Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking

>
> Kevin
>
> I agree with some of your suggestions but wondered if you think that all
> the proposals outlined in the residents parking scheme (RPS) consultation
> document would not benfeit you or just some of it?
>
> The way I have read the consultation document I think the proposal to
> restrict the permits in houses of multiple occupation to 1 and that any
> future conversions of single house to multiple dwellings would also not be
> eligible for permits might help your concerns. It doesn't sound like they
> have put restrictions on new development in the area of Swindon your
> friend lives in.
>
> With regard to the cost, of course, nobody want to pay to park but I guess
> if any residents parking scheme were to be enforced properly then the
> staff to enforce it would need to be paid by someone. The consultation
> paper says that the revenue raised would go towards these costs and any
> surplus would be spent on public transport. If there were a RPS would you
> rather it were funding out of general council tax which might mean higher
> bills or just prefer no scheme if there were a cost to residents who drive
> or council tax payers?
>
> Ski lifts on hills, not sure?
>
> Bike lifts on Park Street - now you're talking!
>
> Looking forward to much more deabte on this issue on the forum.
>
> Best wishes
>
> <email obscured>> To: <email obscured>>
> From: <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents
> Parking> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:24:02 +1200> > Hi. I have lived in a
> street just off West Street for the last 18 years and have to say that
> parking availability in the street has varied from year to year. However,
> over the last 3-4 years it has become increasingly difficult to find a
> space near my house in the evening. > > I am a one-car household, but have
> noticed properties nearby with 4 or more vehicles associated with them. It
> seems to me that the trend of converting 3 bed Victorian houses into flats
> is significantly adding to the parking problems (you just have to look at
> the planning page on the council web site to see that large numbers are
> being converted). Added to that is the new Airpoint development (and other
> large blocks of flats) where I understand a charge of 6 000 was being
> levied for each parking space. It will be in
> teresting to see the effect this has on parking in the area when all the
> residents who have vehicles, but not parking spaces, have moved in!> > On
> the face of it, it appears that this proposed scheme would not benefit me
> in any way other than to annually rob me of 40! Having said that, I would
> gladly pay a reasonably significant sum if I could be guaranteed parking
> directly in front of my property. After all, there is enough space there
> for my car!> > Some possible suggestions are:> > o Utilise
> supermarket/council parking areas for residential parking overnight. The
> likes of Sainsburys, Aldi, Lidl (for Airpoint!) and Asda have significant
> areas available. > o Subsidise bus fares - 1:70p for a single from West
> Street to the Crematorium on Bedminster Down is hardly going to encourage
> the use of public transport.> o Reduce the price of Park and Ride to
> encourage more use of it> o Allow Bristol City Fans to use the Ashton Park
> and Ride on match days, but charge them.> o Further
> encourage and advertise the City Car Clubs> o Let the trial areas for the
> Residential Parking Scheme have the first car for free.> o Perhaps the
> Government could consider adjusting the tax rules that encourage people to
> have both a Company vehicle and also a private vehicle.> o Install ski
> type drag lifts to get people up the hills!.. not too serious about this
> one!> > A colleague lives in a similar area in Swindon with a residential
> parking scheme that has been in place for a number of years. He comments
> that it worked at first, but as more houses have been converted to flats
> they now have the same difficulties in parking as they had before the
> scheme was introduced! Also, there is a large council car park near to him
> that the council refuse to open up for overnight parking!> > Regards> >
> Kevin> > > Kevin Henderson> Bedminster> Info about Kevin:
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From: Ben barker Date: Jun 27 08:32 UTC Short link

Hi,

My reading of the proposals for residents' parking are different from Philip
Cobbolds.

He is right to say that the impact of commuter parking during the day (and
also entertainment parking in the evening) is very patchy within the large
area identified by BCC.   Where I live, close to Gaol Ferry bridge, the
pressure is very great.   It may become much greater once developments on
the Bristol Gaol site to the north of the Cut are completed.

In other areas the pressure is less great and/or may be caused by different
circumstances.   I think the council's plans try to take this into account
by proposing small units of 300-500 households within the scheme.   Some of
these groupings, presumably those with the highest pressure, will opt into
the first phase.   I suspect that most will not.   Of course those that
don't opt in initially will need to take into account future developments
such as the 'natural' growth of cars (about 4% pa locally, I understand) and
displacement of commuters from the first round areas.   I'd guess that phase
2 will begin to kick in around 2013.

Interesting times.   Ben.

----- Original Message -----
From: "tolly" <<email obscured>>
To: "Matthew Symonds" <<email obscured>>
Cc: <<email obscured>>; <<email obscured>>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking


> Good morning Mathew,
> Having been involved with the first proposed Residents Parking Scheme in
> Clifton and Cotham in the early 90's,I have yet to be convinced of the
> need
> to create a blanket area such as the current proposals.
> In the Southville and Ashton areas there is no great need for a RPS>
> As you know,Southville covers the area along York Road and Coronation
> Road,these two roads do suffer from commuter parking during the day, there
> is generally no problem with parking in the evenings and weekends, even on
> match days.
> There are a few ( less than a dozen I would say ) commuters who park on
> Raleigh Road, the majority of these are employees of Imperial Tobacco who
> park for a few hours whilst attending meetings, the greater number of
> Imperial employees either park in their own car park or in the Aldi car
> park.
> Beauly Road does have parking problems during the day but a  lot of the
> congestion and parking problems is caused by vehicles from Beauly Motors.
> Leighton, Hamilton ,Birch and Upton Roads have no problem during the
> daytime, there is always spaces there once residents have gone to work,
> any
> non resident vehicles tend to be workmen  ,working on premises in the
> roads,
> there is little or no commuter parking on these roads.
> There is a problem in the evenings weekdays and weekends but this problem
> has been caused by the conversion of single family houses to multi
> occupancy
> properties, often meaning there is now 3 or 4 vehicles to a property.
> There is sometimes a problem when City are playing at home but not always.
> Having spoken to a large number of residents on the opposite side of
> Raleigh
> Road and along the areas around Duckmoor Road, they have all expressed
> similar opinions as to the above.( with of course the view that on match
> days all their roads are coned off, so there is no problem.
> If the majority of responses  from residents, to the questions are of the
> opinion that there is no need for a RPS ,will the City Council listen to
> residents and drop the idea of a blanket scheme or will they carry on with
> their proposals.
> yours
> Philip Cobbold
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Matthew Symonds" <<email obscured>>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:41 PM
> To: "Kevin" <<email obscured>>; "Greater Bedminster Neighbourhood
> Forum" <<email obscured>>
> Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking
>
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> I agree with some of your suggestions but wondered if you think that all
>> the proposals outlined in the residents parking scheme (RPS) consultation
>> document would not benfeit you or just some of it?
>>
>> The way I have read the consultation document I think the proposal to
>> restrict the permits in houses of multiple occupation to 1 and that any
>> future conversions of single house to multiple dwellings would also not
>> be
>> eligible for permits might help your concerns. It doesn't sound like they
>> have put restrictions on new development in the area of Swindon your
>> friend lives in.
>>
>> With regard to the cost, of course, nobody want to pay to park but I
>> guess
>> if any residents parking scheme were to be enforced properly then the
>> staff to enforce it would need to be paid by someone. The consultation
>> paper says that the revenue raised would go towards these costs and any
>> surplus would be spent on public transport. If there were a RPS would you
>> rather it were funding out of general council tax which might mean higher
>> bills or just prefer no scheme if there were a cost to residents who
>> drive
>> or council tax payers?
>>
>> Ski lifts on hills, not sure?
>>
>> Bike lifts on Park Street - now you're talking!
>>
>> Looking forward to much more deabte on this issue on the forum.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> <email obscured>> To:
>> <email obscured>>
>> From: <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents
>> Parking> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:24:02 +1200> > Hi. I have lived in a
>> street just off West Street for the last 18 years and have to say that
>> parking availability in the street has varied from year to year. However,
>> over the last 3-4 years it has become increasingly difficult to find a
>> space near my house in the evening. > > I am a one-car household, but
>> have
>> noticed properties nearby with 4 or more vehicles associated with them.
>> It
>> seems to me that the trend of converting 3 bed Victorian houses into
>> flats
>> is significantly adding to the parking problems (you just have to look at
>> the planning page on the council web site to see that large numbers are
>> being converted). Added to that is the new Airpoint development (and
>> other
>> large blocks of flats) where I understand a charge of 6 000 was being
>> levied for each parking space. It will be in
>> teresting to see the effect this has on parking in the area when all the
>> residents who have vehicles, but not parking spaces, have moved in!> > On
>> the face of it, it appears that this proposed scheme would not benefit me
>> in any way other than to annually rob me of 40! Having said that, I would
>> gladly pay a reasonably significant sum if I could be guaranteed parking
>> directly in front of my property. After all, there is enough space there
>> for my car!> > Some possible suggestions are:> > o Utilise
>> supermarket/council parking areas for residential parking overnight. The
>> likes of Sainsburys, Aldi, Lidl (for Airpoint!) and Asda have significant
>> areas available. > o Subsidise bus fares - 1:70p for a single from West
>> Street to the Crematorium on Bedminster Down is hardly going to encourage
>> the use of public transport.> o Reduce the price of Park and Ride to
>> encourage more use of it> o Allow Bristol City Fans to use the Ashton
>> Park
>> and Ride on match days, but charge them.> o Further
>> encourage and advertise the City Car Clubs> o Let the trial areas for the
>> Residential Parking Scheme have the first car for free.> o Perhaps the
>> Government could consider adjusting the tax rules that encourage people
>> to
>> have both a Company vehicle and also a private vehicle.> o Install ski
>> type drag lifts to get people up the hills!.. not too serious about this
>> one!> > A colleague lives in a similar area in Swindon with a residential
>> parking scheme that has been in place for a number of years. He comments
>> that it worked at first, but as more houses have been converted to flats
>> they now have the same difficulties in parking as they had before the
>> scheme was introduced! Also, there is a large council car park near to
>> him
>> that the council refuse to open up for overnight parking!> > Regards> >
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From: Emma Winfield Date: Jun 27 08:36 UTC Short link

Hi Philip

As a resident of the lower end of Luckwell Road (the continuation of Duckmoor
Road) I agree that during the day we don't have a parking problem at all BUT
that would change if residents' parking were only imposed on the roads up the
Coronation Road end of the area as people would just park on the fringes again.

As for match days, our road is hell - you can't park, you can't have windows
open due to smoke and noise from the dreaded Luckwell Tavern (which seems to
have become the HQ for the most anti-social of City fans, but I gather there is
competition from Cuba / Quba Ice!) and you best not need to get yourself or any
children off to sleep until at least an hour after mid-week matches finishing
as they use the traffic queue on Luckwell Road (to get on to Winterstoke Road)
as a 'City Fans Party Space' complete with revving engines, car horn symphonies
and loud shouting out of their sun roof / side windows to let us all know they
are there, either jubliant in victory or angry in defeat.  I'd love to see what
they'd get up to if the streets were coned off!

So, no match day parking and residents parking for a 2-hour slot during the
week, staggered with other areas (as suggested before) seems a good option.  I
see no need to charge extra for extra cars in our particular area, as there are
no problems at night time except match days, although obviously if another area
did charge then we'd get the spill off.

Am I right in thinking that if you convert a house to flats part of your
planning application has to show room for bicycle parking on the property (they
have had to give up on proof there is car parking for the extra load)?  If
that's the case then I don't think people can retrospectively complain about
not being able to have 4 parking permits for a converted house.  I tell my
lodgers there is no guaranteed parking but plenty of bike space from the
outset!

Emma
A non-fan of certain City fans!

From: Richard Johns Date: Jun 27 09:43 UTC Short link

I'm looking forward to seeing how this consultation process pans out.  I live
on South Street and we definitely have a problem with parking in this area.
The only time you can realistically get a space outside your house is during
weekdays.  At weekends and evenings its very difficult and on match days nigh
on impossible.  This then leads to people having to park on junctions making it
difficult (and dangerous) for pedestrians.  The reopening of the Spotted Cow at
the bottom of the road has been on the whole a positive thing but in terms of
parking this has also had an impact, again on evenings and weekends.

As to whether the RPS is going to make a difference is obviously a debatable
point. I was disappointed that the consultation questionnaire gave no space for
comments and suggestions and purely asked for black and white answers.
I will be interested to know how well the Scheme is enforced as residents will
no doubt be very disappointed to pay for a permit only to see others parking
without permits and having no comeback.  I hope that during the session at
Bedminster library there will be more clarification on certain points.

Richard.



> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:22:26 +0100> From: <email obscured>>
To: <email obscured>; <email obscured>> CC:
<email obscured>; <email obscured>> Subject: Re:
[GB-Forum] Residents Parking> > I have spoken to Colin Knight this morning (the
officer who is leading the consultation) who said that they are looking to put
in two or three pilot areas to see how it goes. The areas selected will be
those most heavily in favour (I think question 3 asks you if you are in
favour).> > > > > > > > Charlie Bolton> Green Party Councillor> Southville> >>>
"tolly" <<email obscured>> 06/27/08 8:42 AM >>>> Good morning Mathew,>
Having been involved with the first proposed Residents Parking Scheme in >
Clifton and Cotham in the early 90's,I have yet to be convinced of the need >
to create a blanket area such as the current proposals.> In the Southville and
Ashton areas there is no great need for a RPS>> As you know,Southville covers
the area along York Road and Coronation > Road,these two roads do suffer from
commuter parking during the day, there > is generally no problem with parking
in the evenings and weekends, even on > match days.> There are a few ( less
than a dozen I would say ) commuters who park on > Raleigh Road, the majority
of these are employees of Imperial Tobacco who > park for a few hours whilst
attending meetings, the greater number of > Imperial employees either park in
their own car park or in the Aldi car > park.> Beauly Road does have parking
problems during the day but a lot of the > congestion and parking problems is
caused by vehicles from Beauly Motors.> Leighton, Hamilton ,Birch and Upton
Roads have no problem during the > daytime, there is always spaces there once
residents have gone to work, any > non resident vehicles tend to be workmen
,working on premises in the roads, > there is little or no commuter parking on
these roads.> There is a problem in the evenings weekdays and weekends but this
problem > has been caused by the conversion of single family houses to multi
occupancy > properties, often meaning there is now 3 or 4 vehicles to a
property.> There is sometimes a problem when City are playing at home but not
always.> Having spoken to a large number of residents on the opposite side of
Raleigh > Road and along the areas around Duckmoor Road, they have all
expressed > similar opinions as to the above.( with of course the view that on
match > days all their roads are coned off, so there is no problem.> If the
majority of responses from residents, to the questions are of the > opinion
that there is no need for a RPS ,will the City Council listen to > residents
and drop the idea of a blanket scheme or will they carry on with > their
proposals.> yours> Philip Cobbold> > >