I grew up riding in Cleveland Ohio and was on multiple occasions was pushed
off the road or into to the guardrail on US 322 and other roads.
Compared to Snelling Ave, it is a picnic to ride Cleveland, Cretin or the
improved Fairview with a bike lane instead of 4 lane pothole ridden mess that
was Fairview.
Drivers, Please chill out.
Hello group, please stop whining about Fairview.
Roads need to be calmer and slower especially if congested. Why are 4 lanes
needed? A left turn lane when used correctly avoids accidents. I really use it
on my bike. Maybe you wanna pass other cars. The turn lane does the trick with
fewer accidents. you want the 4 lane Fairview speed trap
I grew up riding in Cleveland Ohio and was on multiple occasions was pushed
off the road or into to the guardrail on US 322 and other roads.
Compared to Snelling Ave, it is a picnic to ride Cleveland, Cretin or the
improved Fairview with a bike lane instead of 4 lane pothole ridden mess that
was Fairview.
Drivers, Please chill out.
Roads need to be calmer and slower especially if congested. Why are 4 lanes
needed? A left turn lane when used correctly avoids accidents. I really use it
on my bike. Maybe you wanna pass other cars. The turn lane does the trick with
fewer accidents. Do you want the 4 lane Fairview speed trap to return?
Bike lanes on side streets parallel to Fairview present a problem. How do you
cross St Kate's U and how do you get across Randolph without a light or stop
sign? Jefferson is nice and quiet bike route that crosses most arterial roads
at stoplights. Do you want or need more lights stop signs to allow bikes or
pedestrians crossing Fairview at Highland Parkway?
My hope is for a north south bus line on Fairview Lexington or Hamline so I can
bike and use light rail from my neighborhood between St Clair and Randolph.
Chuck S
On Aug 11, 2012, at 11:33 AM, "tarcar" <<email obscured>> wrote:
> Callie,
> I'm the person that began the post to "Reclaim Fairview Ave.". While
> I expected to hear primarily from vehicle operators, most respondents have
> been bicyclers. The prevailing comment has been that they don't enjoy being
> forced to bicycle on Fairview or Cretin, due to high vehicle volume and
> speed. They would prefer to be on an adjacent street with fewer cars
> (Prior?). Do you think this is a valid topic for consideration by your
> committee? Naturally, I would like to take it another step and investigate
> whether there is a chance to return to two lanes of traffic in both
> directions, on Fairview Ave. If you intend to discuss this topic, please let
> me know the time and location.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Rubbelke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stpaul-macgrove@forums.e-democracy.org
> [mailto:stpaul-macgrove@forums.e-democracy.org] On Behalf Of Callie
> Recknagel
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: stpaul-macgrove@forums.e-democracy.org
> Subject: Re: [MacGrove] Reclaiming of Fairview Ave.
>
> Hello,
> Thanks Jack for helping to spread the word about the upcoming Transit Forum.
> I invite you all to attend the forum on August 27th, 6:30pm at the Hillcrest
> Rec Center (1978 Ford Parkway) to discuss the public transit system,
> connections to the Central Corridor Light Rail, and the future of public
> transit in Saint Paul (including the streetcar study, Snelling Bus Rapid
> Transit, and new bus connections to the LRT). We will hear from Metro
> Transit and City of Saint Paul planning staff about current and upcoming
> plans and have time for discussion and questions.
>
> We are also planning a Bike/Walk Forum for mid-September (I will update this
> list with more details as they are finalized) which will be a very
> informative event and a better place to discuss bike routes throughout the
> neighborhood. Panelists at this event will discuss the following questions:
> -How pedestrian/bike friendly is our community?
> -What can we do to improve it?
> -What is the bike/walk/accessibility plan for Saint Paul? for
> Macalester-Groveland?
> -How can we make intersections and construction zones more navigable for the
> handicapped and visually impaired?
>
> If there is interest in following up with more specific issues after these
> forums (such as Fairview Ave), the Community Council holds Transportation
> Committee meetings the 4th Monday of each month. Please contact me if you
> are interested in adding something to our agenda or if you have any
> questions.
>
> Best,
> Callie Recknagel
> Community Organizer
> Macalester-Groveland Community Council
> www.macgrove.org
> callie (at) macgrove.org
> 651-695-4000
> Callie Recknagel
> Macalester-Groveland, Saint Paul
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to return?
Bike lanes on side streets parallel to Fairview present a problem. How do you
cross St Kate's U and how do you get across Randolph without a light or stop
sign? Jefferson is nice and quiet bike route that crosses most arterial roads
at stoplights. Do you want or need more lights stop signs to allow bikes or
pedestrians crossing Fairview at Highland Parkway?
My hope is for a north south bus line on Fairview Lexington or Hamline so I can
bike and use light rail from my neighborhood between St Clair and Randolph.
Chuck S
On Aug 11, 2012, at 11:33 AM, "tarcar" <<email obscured>> wrote:
> Callie,
> I'm the person that began the post to "Reclaim Fairview Ave.". While
> I expected to hear primarily from vehicle operators, most respondents have
> been bicyclers. The prevailing comment has been that they don't enjoy being
> forced to bicycle on Fairview or Cretin, due to high vehicle volume and
> speed. They would prefer to be on an adjacent street with fewer cars
> (Prior?). Do you think this is a valid topic for consideration by your
> committee? Naturally, I would like to take it another step and investigate
> whether there is a chance to return to two lanes of traffic in both
> directions, on Fairview Ave. If you intend to discuss this topic, please let
> me know the time and location.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Rubbelke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stpaul-macgrove@forums.e-democracy.org
> [mailto:stpaul-macgrove@forums.e-democracy.org] On Behalf Of Callie
> Recknagel
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: stpaul-macgrove@forums.e-democracy.org
> Subject: Re: [MacGrove] Reclaiming of Fairview Ave.
>
> Hello,
> Thanks Jack for helping to spread the word about the upcoming Transit Forum.
> I invite you all to attend the forum on August 27th, 6:30pm at the Hillcrest
> Rec Center (1978 Ford Parkway) to discuss the public transit system,
> connections to the Central Corridor Light Rail, and the future of public
> transit in Saint Paul (including the streetcar study, Snelling Bus Rapid
> Transit, and new bus connections to the LRT). We will hear from Metro
> Transit and City of Saint Paul planning staff about current and upcoming
> plans and have time for discussion and questions.
>
> We are also planning a Bike/Walk Forum for mid-September (I will update this
> list with more details as they are finalized) which will be a very
> informative event and a better place to discuss bike routes throughout the
> neighborhood. Panelists at this event will discuss the following questions:
> -How pedestrian/bike friendly is our community?
> -What can we do to improve it?
> -What is the bike/walk/accessibility plan for Saint Paul? for
> Macalester-Groveland?
> -How can we make intersections and construction zones more navigable for the
> handicapped and visually impaired?
>
> If there is interest in following up with more specific issues after these
> forums (such as Fairview Ave), the Community Council holds Transportation
> Committee meetings the 4th Monday of each month. Please contact me if you
> are interested in adding something to our agenda or if you have any
> questions.
>
> Best,
> Callie Recknagel
> Community Organizer
> Macalester-Groveland Community Council
> www.macgrove.org
> callie (at) macgrove.org
> 651-695-4000
> Callie Recknagel
> Macalester-Groveland, Saint Paul
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