From:
Ben barker
Date:
May 13 11:23 UTC
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Charlotte's asked me to post her comment below. Ben.
----- Original Message -----
From: Charlotte Beaumont
To: <email obscured>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:18 PM
Subject: windmill hill
In response to your question below, I live in WIndmill Hill and definitely feel
part of Bedminster. It is officially Bedminster I think. We are BS3! I never go
to the shops in Knowle but go to East Street and North Street.
Hope this helps,
CHarlotte Beaumont (37 Somerset Terrace BS3 4LJ)
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Barker [mailto:benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: 28 April 2008 09:17
To: <email obscured>
Subject: [GB-Forum] Not about Tescos
This isn't about Tescos, but Neighbourhood Partnerships and is
especially directed to Forum members living in Windmill Hill ward. But
others can join in.
As most people know, by the end of 2008 all of Bristol is due to be
divided up into 14 'neighbourhood partnerships'. This is part of a
long term process to decentralise and better coordinate the
administration of services at a neighbourhood level. It will apply not
just to BCC services, but other services such as the police and possibly
health. Partnership area will be made of either two or three wards, ie
20-30,000 people. Setting aside the point that this is scarcely a
'neighbourhood', there needs to be some discussion about which wards fit
best together.
At one level, this ought not to matter too much, afterall, we must hope
that partnerships will cooperate together: replacing service delivery
silos with geographical ones would be stupid. But, we might as well
get it as right as we can initially.
So, the question is:
Should Windmill Hill ward be joined in the Neighbourhood Partnership
including Knowle and Filwood wards (the current proposal) or in the
partnership that's already functioning and is made up of Bedminster and
Southville wards?
I guess it's partly a technical question of public administration, but
it's also an emotional one. Does Windmill Hill feel part of
'Bedminster' or part of 'Knowle'.
Cheers, Ben.
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From:
Cecilia Weightman
Date:
May 13 11:27 UTC
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I always think of it as part of Bedminster as I used
to live over on St John's Lane side and we always
called it Bedminster. Police wise the beat is under
the same sergeant as Bedminster & Southville. It's in
the same extended school area as Bedminster and
Southville so it doesn't make sense to put it in with
Knowle.
--- Ben Barker <benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Charlotte's asked me to post her comment below.
> Ben.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charlotte Beaumont
> To: <email obscured>
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:18 PM
> Subject: windmill hill
>
>
> In response to your question below, I live in
> WIndmill Hill and definitely feel part of
> Bedminster. It is officially Bedminster I think. We
> are BS3! I never go to the shops in Knowle but go to
> East Street and North Street.
> Hope this helps,
> CHarlotte Beaumont (37 Somerset Terrace BS3 4LJ)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Barker [mailto:benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk]
>
> Sent: 28 April 2008 09:17
> To: <email obscured>
> Subject: [GB-Forum] Not about Tescos
>
> This isn't about Tescos, but Neighbourhood
> Partnerships and is
> especially directed to Forum members living in
> Windmill Hill ward. But
> others can join in.
>
> As most people know, by the end of 2008 all of
> Bristol is due to be
> divided up into 14 'neighbourhood partnerships'.
> This is part of a
> long term process to decentralise and better
> coordinate the
> administration of services at a neighbourhood level.
> It will apply not
> just to BCC services, but other services such as the
> police and possibly
> health. Partnership area will be made of either two
> or three wards, ie
> 20-30,000 people. Setting aside the point that
> this is scarcely a
> 'neighbourhood', there needs to be some discussion
> about which wards fit
> best together.
>
> At one level, this ought not to matter too much,
> afterall, we must hope
> that partnerships will cooperate together: replacing
> service delivery
> silos with geographical ones would be stupid. But,
> we might as well
> get it as right as we can initially.
>
> So, the question is:
>
> Should Windmill Hill ward be joined in the
> Neighbourhood Partnership
> including Knowle and Filwood wards (the current
> proposal) or in the
> partnership that's already functioning and is made
> up of Bedminster and
> Southville wards?
>
> I guess it's partly a technical question of public
> administration, but
> it's also an emotional one. Does Windmill Hill feel
> part of
> 'Bedminster' or part of 'Knowle'.
>
> Cheers, Ben.
> Ben barker
>
>
>
>
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From:
Stephanie Wardle
Date:
May 13 12:58 UTC
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It's Bemmy! It's Bemmy!
I'ts got to be Bemsterwith BS3 as a postcode, and Knowle is Up the Hill and Far
Away, as far as I'm concerned. (Even if it's only one street away from my
house)... I'm on Marksbury Road, and that's part of Windmill Hill electoral
ward, has City of Bristol College Bedminster site and Bedminster Road-
Southville is just across the railway bridge and Windmill Hill itself- the
actual hilly bit- has got Bedminster Railway Station on it. I don't know a
single Windhill-ite that doesn't call themselves a Proud Bedminstolian.
Knowle? Noooooo.......
Steph --- On Tue, 13/5/08, Cecilia Weightman <cecilia.weightman@btinternet.com>
wrote:
From: Cecilia Weightman <cecilia.weightman@btinternet.com>Subject: Re:
[GB-Forum] Fw: windmill hillTo: "Ben Barker" <benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk>,
bemmy-forum@forums.e-democracy.orgDate: Tuesday, 13 May, 2008, 12:27 PMI always
think of it as part of Bedminster as I used
to live over on St John's Lane side and we always
called it Bedminster. Police wise the beat is under
the same sergeant as Bedminster & Southville. It's in
the same extended school area as Bedminster and
Southville so it doesn't make sense to put it in with
Knowle.
--- Ben Barker <benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Charlotte's asked me to post her comment below.
> Ben.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charlotte Beaumont
> To: <email obscured>
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:18 PM
> Subject: windmill hill
>
>
> In response to your question below, I live in
> WIndmill Hill and definitely feel part of
> Bedminster. It is officially Bedminster I think. We
> are BS3! I never go to the shops in Knowle but go to
> East Street and North Street.
> Hope this helps,
> CHarlotte Beaumont (37 Somerset Terrace BS3 4LJ)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Barker [mailto:benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk]
>
> Sent: 28 April 2008 09:17
> To: <email obscured>
> Subject: [GB-Forum] Not about Tescos
>
> This isn't about Tescos, but Neighbourhood
> Partnerships and is
> especially directed to Forum members living in
> Windmill Hill ward. But
> others can join in.
>
> As most people know, by the end of 2008 all of
> Bristol is due to be
> divided up into 14 'neighbourhood partnerships'.
> This is part of a
> long term process to decentralise and better
> coordinate the
> administration of services at a neighbourhood level.
> It will apply not
> just to BCC services, but other services such as the
> police and possibly
> health. Partnership area will be made of either two
> or three wards, ie
> 20-30,000 people. Setting aside the point that
> this is scarcely a
> 'neighbourhood', there needs to be some discussion
> about which wards fit
> best together.
>
> At one level, this ought not to matter too much,
> afterall, we must hope
> that partnerships will cooperate together: replacing
> service delivery
> silos with geographical ones would be stupid. But,
> we might as well
> get it as right as we can initially.
>
> So, the question is:
>
> Should Windmill Hill ward be joined in the
> Neighbourhood Partnership
> including Knowle and Filwood wards (the current
> proposal) or in the
> partnership that's already functioning and is made
> up of Bedminster and
> Southville wards?
>
> I guess it's partly a technical question of public
> administration, but
> it's also an emotional one. Does Windmill Hill feel
> part of
> 'Bedminster' or part of 'Knowle'.
>
> Cheers, Ben.
> Ben barker
>
>
>
>
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Can I add my voice to the number of people living on Windmill Hill who also
know that we live in Bedminster - there is no way that we live in Knowle. Is
there anyone, apart from Alf Havvock, who could possibly argue otherwise?
I like Charlie Bolton's suggestion of splitting the ward in half : the BS3
side joins us in Bedminster, and the Totterdown/lower Knowle side joins them
up there in Knowle and Filwood
DB Bogie
Garden Flat
16 Cotswold Road
Windmill Hill
Bristol
BS3 4NT
tel: 0117 3309052
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email: <email obscured>
On 13/5/08 13:58, "stephanie wardle" <galateasspheres@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> It's Bemmy! It's Bemmy!
>
> I'ts got to be Bemsterwith BS3 as a postcode, and Knowle is Up the Hill and
> Far Away, as far as I'm concerned. (Even if it's only one street away from my
> house)... I'm on Marksbury Road, and that's part of Windmill Hill electoral
> ward, has City of Bristol College Bedminster site and Bedminster Road-
> Southville is just across the railway bridge and Windmill Hill itself- the
> actual hilly bit- has got Bedminster Railway Station on it. I don't know a
> single Windhill-ite that doesn't call themselves a Proud Bedminstolian.
>
> Knowle? Noooooo.......
>
> Steph --- On Tue, 13/5/08, Cecilia Weightman
> <cecilia.weightman@btinternet.com> wrote:
> From: Cecilia Weightman <cecilia.weightman@btinternet.com>Subject: Re:
> [GB-Forum] Fw: windmill hillTo: "Ben Barker" <benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk>,
> bemmy-forum@forums.e-democracy.orgDate: Tuesday, 13 May, 2008, 12:27 PMI
> always think of it as part of Bedminster as I used
> to live over on St John's Lane side and we always
> called it Bedminster. Police wise the beat is under
> the same sergeant as Bedminster & Southville. It's in
> the same extended school area as Bedminster and
> Southville so it doesn't make sense to put it in with
> Knowle.
> --- Ben Barker <benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Charlotte's asked me to post her comment below.
>> Ben.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Charlotte Beaumont
>> To: <email obscured>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:18 PM
>> Subject: windmill hill
>>
>>
>> In response to your question below, I live in
>> WIndmill Hill and definitely feel part of
>> Bedminster. It is officially Bedminster I think. We
>> are BS3! I never go to the shops in Knowle but go to
>> East Street and North Street.
>> Hope this helps,
>> CHarlotte Beaumont (37 Somerset Terrace BS3 4LJ)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ben Barker [mailto:benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk]
>>
>> Sent: 28 April 2008 09:17
>> To: <email obscured>
>> Subject: [GB-Forum] Not about Tescos
>>
>> This isn't about Tescos, but Neighbourhood
>> Partnerships and is
>> especially directed to Forum members living in
>> Windmill Hill ward. But
>> others can join in.
>>
>> As most people know, by the end of 2008 all of
>> Bristol is due to be
>> divided up into 14 'neighbourhood partnerships'.
>> This is part of a
>> long term process to decentralise and better
>> coordinate the
>> administration of services at a neighbourhood level.
>> It will apply not
>> just to BCC services, but other services such as the
>> police and possibly
>> health. Partnership area will be made of either two
>> or three wards, ie
>> 20-30,000 people. Setting aside the point that
>> this is scarcely a
>> 'neighbourhood', there needs to be some discussion
>> about which wards fit
>> best together.
>>
>> At one level, this ought not to matter too much,
>> afterall, we must hope
>> that partnerships will cooperate together: replacing
>> service delivery
>> silos with geographical ones would be stupid. But,
>> we might as well
>> get it as right as we can initially.
>>
>> So, the question is:
>>
>> Should Windmill Hill ward be joined in the
>> Neighbourhood Partnership
>> including Knowle and Filwood wards (the current
>> proposal) or in the
>> partnership that's already functioning and is made
>> up of Bedminster and
>> Southville wards?
>>
>> I guess it's partly a technical question of public
>> administration, but
>> it's also an emotional one. Does Windmill Hill feel
>> part of
>> 'Bedminster' or part of 'Knowle'.
>>
>> Cheers, Ben.
>> Ben barker
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From:
Gilbert Webster
Date:
May 23 19:14 UTC
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let me all so say as the chair of bedminster ahc before it was ended iin
march.windmill hill was part of bedminster now under the neighbourhood
partnership this has ceased,they live five minutes away from east street why
cant they be part of bedminster??
gilbert
>>> db <db@dianabogie.co.uk> 05/23/08 5:12 PM >>>
Can I add my voice to the number of people living on Windmill Hill who also
know that we live in Bedminster - there is no way that we live in Knowle. Is
there anyone, apart from Alf Havvock, who could possibly argue otherwise?
I like Charlie Bolton's suggestion of splitting the ward in half : the BS3
side joins us in Bedminster, and the Totterdown/lower Knowle side joins them
up there in Knowle and Filwood
DB Bogie
Garden Flat
16 Cotswold Road
Windmill Hill
Bristol
BS3 4NT
tel: 0117 3309052
mobile: 0773 148 4723
email: <email obscured>
On 13/5/08 13:58, "stephanie wardle" <galateasspheres@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> It's Bemmy! It's Bemmy!
>
> I'ts got to be Bemsterwith BS3 as a postcode, and Knowle is Up the Hill and
> Far Away, as far as I'm concerned. (Even if it's only one street away from my
> house)... I'm on Marksbury Road, and that's part of Windmill Hill electoral
> ward, has City of Bristol College Bedminster site and Bedminster Road-
> Southville is just across the railway bridge and Windmill Hill itself- the
> actual hilly bit- has got Bedminster Railway Station on it. I don't know a
> single Windhill-ite that doesn't call themselves a Proud Bedminstolian.
>
> Knowle? Noooooo.......
>
> Steph --- On Tue, 13/5/08, Cecilia Weightman
> <cecilia.weightman@btinternet.com> wrote:
> From: Cecilia Weightman <cecilia.weightman@btinternet.com>Subject: Re:
> [GB-Forum] Fw: windmill hillTo: "Ben Barker" <benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk>,
> bemmy-forum@forums.e-democracy.orgDate: Tuesday, 13 May, 2008, 12:27 PMI
> always think of it as part of Bedminster as I used
> to live over on St John's Lane side and we always
> called it Bedminster. Police wise the beat is under
> the same sergeant as Bedminster & Southville. It's in
> the same extended school area as Bedminster and
> Southville so it doesn't make sense to put it in with
> Knowle.
> --- Ben Barker <benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Charlotte's asked me to post her comment below.
>> Ben.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Charlotte Beaumont
>> To: <email obscured>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:18 PM
>> Subject: windmill hill
>>
>>
>> In response to your question below, I live in
>> WIndmill Hill and definitely feel part of
>> Bedminster. It is officially Bedminster I think. We
>> are BS3! I never go to the shops in Knowle but go to
>> East Street and North Street.
>> Hope this helps,
>> CHarlotte Beaumont (37 Somerset Terrace BS3 4LJ)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ben Barker [mailto:benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk]
>>
>> Sent: 28 April 2008 09:17
>> To: <email obscured>
>> Subject: [GB-Forum] Not about Tescos
>>
>> This isn't about Tescos, but Neighbourhood
>> Partnerships and is
>> especially directed to Forum members living in
>> Windmill Hill ward. But
>> others can join in.
>>
>> As most people know, by the end of 2008 all of
>> Bristol is due to be
>> divided up into 14 'neighbourhood partnerships'.
>> This is part of a
>> long term process to decentralise and better
>> coordinate the
>> administration of services at a neighbourhood level.
>> It will apply not
>> just to BCC services, but other services such as the
>> police and possibly
>> health. Partnership area will be made of either two
>> or three wards, ie
>> 20-30,000 people. Setting aside the point that
>> this is scarcely a
>> 'neighbourhood', there needs to be some discussion
>> about which wards fit
>> best together.
>>
>> At one level, this ought not to matter too much,
>> afterall, we must hope
>> that partnerships will cooperate together: replacing
>> service delivery
>> silos with geographical ones would be stupid. But,
>> we might as well
>> get it as right as we can initially.
>>
>> So, the question is:
>>
>> Should Windmill Hill ward be joined in the
>> Neighbourhood Partnership
>> including Knowle and Filwood wards (the current
>> proposal) or in the
>> partnership that's already functioning and is made
>> up of Bedminster and
>> Southville wards?
>>
>> I guess it's partly a technical question of public
>> administration, but
>> it's also an emotional one. Does Windmill Hill feel
>> part of
>> 'Bedminster' or part of 'Knowle'.
>>
>> Cheers, Ben.
>> Ben barker
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From:
Nixie James-Scott
Date:
May 23 19:54 UTC
Short link
I thought you may be interested and want to comment on the reply I had from
Mark Bailey about the Windmill Hill issue after my post on this site which I
cc'd to Mark Bailey and Alf Havvock (councillors)
Nixie James-Scott
Therapist, Teacher & Reiki Master
0117 985 8036 / 07974 119428
Dear Nixie,
Thank you for the email. I have copied below my reply to Nancy Carlton on
this subject that sets out the circumstances which lead to Windmill Ward
being linked to Filwood and Knowle Wards. You will see from my reply that I
acknowledge that residents living in Windmill Hill would naturally assume
that we should be linked to the Bedminster and Southville partnership.
However, it needs to be remembered that these partnerships are based on ward
boundaries and not on individual areas within the ward. I therefore feel
that irrespective of which Partnership we are linked with some people,
depending on where they live in the ward, will not be convinced by the
argument or the logic behind the decision.
Having said all of the above Alf and I are intending to meet with the lead
council officer for Neighbourhood Partnerships as we are not convinced that
the present arrangements are working as well as they could.
Regards,
Mark
Nancy,
Windmill Hill, Knowle and Filwood wards were clustered together under the
Neighbourhood Management trial, a Government initiative back in 2005, which
was the forerunner of the Neighbourhood Partnerships. We were not given a
choice by the Government in 2005 so it did seem logical, because of the
links that were already established, that this arrangement should continue
under the Partnerships arrangements. If I was given the choice, and leaving
aside the operational difficulties, the best solution would probably be to
put half the ward in the Bedminster Partnership and the other half in with
Knowle and Filwood.
I can quite understand why some residents living in Cotswold Road and
surrounding area, given the close proximity to Southville, would wish to be
grouped with the Bedminster Partnership. However, I feel that there are
Windmill Hill residents living in Totterdown and half way up the Wells Road
that would probably give them an argument about this. Families from this
ward who send their children to Hillcrest School for example, which sits on
the boundary with Knowle ward, may not be convinced by your argument. People
living around Perrett's Park, which also forms the boundary with Knowle,
again would also not necessarily agree that Windmill ward has more in common
with Bedminster than Knowle.
I suppose what I am saying is that the judgement on what is the best fit is
coloured by where you live in the ward, where you shop, what schools your
children attend, where you go to work etc. Whichever partnership we chose to
join I think it is inevitable that some residents within the ward would
question the logic of the choice.
However, this does not change the fact that large parts of this ward are
affected by what happens across the boundary in Filwood. For example the
most deprived areas of this ward around Marksbury Road and Lynton Road are
already tied to Filwood because they are included in the Community in
Partnership boundaries, which is a Filwood based organisation. Youth work in
this ward is controlled through Youth Moves which again works out of
Filwood. It also needs to be taken into consideration that the biggest
development to take place in this ward over the next couple of years will be
the re-development of the City of Bristol college and the Torpoint and
Kingswear sites. Both these sites are on the boundary with Filwood and will
be managed by the Knowle West Project Board which includes the councillors
from Knowle, Filwood and Windmill Hill.
Your remarks about being marginalized because we are grouped with Filwood
are valid. The groups in Filwood tend to be very well organised and fight
their corner and can be on occasions difficult to deal with. However, my job
as a local councillor is to make sure that problems in Windmill Hill are not
marginalized irrespective of which group I am dealing with; be it council
tenants from Knowle West or articulate middle class people from Southville.
Concerns about policing in this ward linked to what partnership we fall into
are I believe unfounded. Alf and I usually speak or meet with our
Neighbourhood Police Team several times a week. We have an excellent working
relationship with them and I cannot remember one single incident when their
ability to tackle problems in the ward was compromised because of the
Partnership arrangements. Our PACT meetings for example are not affected by
the partnership agreement and I know for a fact that our team work in
conjunction with the police teams from all the surrounding wards, depending
on what issues they are tackling.
Your concerns over the lack of investment in our parks because of the
partnership arrangements are again in my opinion overstated. We have just
signed off the Improvement Plan for Victoria Park with Peter Wilkinson, Head
of Parks. During this 12 month process it was never discussed or intimated
that any funding for this work would be conditional on what partnership we
were attached to. Over the last 5 years working with park groups like VPAG
we have been very successful in bringing more investment into our parks and
green spaces in this ward. With continued support from community groups
throughout the ward I am confident that this investment will continue.
While personally I have no strong opinion concerning what partnership we
should belong to I do feel on balance that, because of the existing ties and
the working relationships established over the last three years, we should
remain where we are. I must though make it clear that after three years of
going to meetings I am still to be convinced of the value of Neighbourhood
Partnership in general. In my opinion until a substantial budget is attached
to each ward through these partnerships, that can be allocated and spent by
residents, they remain nothing much more than talking shops. Also bearing in
mind the extremely low turnout at previous Partnership meetings and the fact
that not one resident from this ward attended the last partnership event I
am still not persuaded that this is a burning issue with the majority of
residents. I feel it is also fair to point out that at the time of writing
this email this is the only correspondence that I have ever received on this
issue, from someone who actually lives in the ward.
As you are already aware I am always willing to meet with resident groups or
individuals to talk through these kind of issues. If you would like to
arrange a meeting with one of your groups I will only be too happy to
attend.
Best wishes,
From:
Ben barker
Date:
May 24 13:37 UTC
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Hi,
Of course, the 'Windmill Hill Question' ought not to be one to be resolved
just at local level. If there were better partnership working Bristolwide,
many of the anomalies would not arise.
For example, I understand that the police are organized into 17
neighbourhood policing areas across the city. Neighbourhood Partnerships
are 14 in number. Both the Parks department and the Extended Schools
Partnerhips (including Youth Service) are broken into 10 units. But not,
of course, the same 10 neighbourhood clusters!! Planning has just
published a map showing their 6 local units. All of this increased
emphasis on 'neighbourhood working' springs from good intentions around the
twin goals of Better Coordination of Service Delivery Locally and Greater
Opportunities for Local People to Influence Service Delivery. Nobody is
likely to come out against Motherhood and Apple Pie, but will it really
happen?
There's no magic number of units into which the city could be divided,
except that the larger the number the more local the service. But,
ANYTHING between 10 and 20 is likely to work. The problem is that we are
well on our way to EVERYTHING between 10 and 20. This is because people at
the top of organisations seem reluctant to agree on how to group
neighbourhoods. They prefer to structure their neighbourhood working
around their own administrative needs, thus helping to sabotage Better
Co-ordination and, by making the system complex and confusing, decreasing
opportunities for Public Involvement. Thus the inadequacies of the past
are projected into the future. The so-called new, bottom-up system, is
largely the old, top-down system in disguise.
Of course, if service leaders are not prepared to talk to each other and
come up with coherant proposals, how much less are they inclined to heed the
views of people living in neighbourhoods. The message is clear, 'pay your
taxes and shut up: business as usual'.
Cheers, Grumpy of Bedminster.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nixie James-Scott" <nixiejames@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <bemmy-forum@forums.e-democracy.org>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:54 PM
Subject: [GB-Forum] FW: Windmill Hill
>I thought you may be interested and want to comment on the reply I had from
> Mark Bailey about the Windmill Hill issue after my post on this site which
> I
> cc'd to Mark Bailey and Alf Havvock (councillors)
>
>
> Nixie James-Scott
> Therapist, Teacher & Reiki Master
> 0117 985 8036 / 07974 119428
>
> Dear Nixie,
>
> Thank you for the email. I have copied below my reply to Nancy Carlton on
> this subject that sets out the circumstances which lead to Windmill Ward
> being linked to Filwood and Knowle Wards. You will see from my reply that
> I
> acknowledge that residents living in Windmill Hill would naturally assume
> that we should be linked to the Bedminster and Southville partnership.
> However, it needs to be remembered that these partnerships are based on
> ward
> boundaries and not on individual areas within the ward. I therefore feel
> that irrespective of which Partnership we are linked with some people,
> depending on where they live in the ward, will not be convinced by the
> argument or the logic behind the decision.
>
> Having said all of the above Alf and I are intending to meet with the lead
> council officer for Neighbourhood Partnerships as we are not convinced
> that
> the present arrangements are working as well as they could.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
> Nancy,
>
> Windmill Hill, Knowle and Filwood wards were clustered together under the
> Neighbourhood Management trial, a Government initiative back in 2005,
> which
> was the forerunner of the Neighbourhood Partnerships. We were not given a
> choice by the Government in 2005 so it did seem logical, because of the
> links that were already established, that this arrangement should continue
> under the Partnerships arrangements. If I was given the choice, and
> leaving
> aside the operational difficulties, the best solution would probably be to
> put half the ward in the Bedminster Partnership and the other half in with
> Knowle and Filwood.
>
> I can quite understand why some residents living in Cotswold Road and
> surrounding area, given the close proximity to Southville, would wish to
> be
> grouped with the Bedminster Partnership. However, I feel that there are
> Windmill Hill residents living in Totterdown and half way up the Wells
> Road
> that would probably give them an argument about this. Families from this
> ward who send their children to Hillcrest School for example, which sits
> on
> the boundary with Knowle ward, may not be convinced by your argument.
> People
> living around Perrett's Park, which also forms the boundary with Knowle,
> again would also not necessarily agree that Windmill ward has more in
> common
> with Bedminster than Knowle.
>
> I suppose what I am saying is that the judgement on what is the best fit
> is
> coloured by where you live in the ward, where you shop, what schools your
> children attend, where you go to work etc. Whichever partnership we chose
> to
> join I think it is inevitable that some residents within the ward would
> question the logic of the choice.
>
> However, this does not change the fact that large parts of this ward are
> affected by what happens across the boundary in Filwood. For example the
> most deprived areas of this ward around Marksbury Road and Lynton Road are
> already tied to Filwood because they are included in the Community in
> Partnership boundaries, which is a Filwood based organisation. Youth work
> in
> this ward is controlled through Youth Moves which again works out of
> Filwood. It also needs to be taken into consideration that the biggest
> development to take place in this ward over the next couple of years will
> be
> the re-development of the City of Bristol college and the Torpoint and
> Kingswear sites. Both these sites are on the boundary with Filwood and
> will
> be managed by the Knowle West Project Board which includes the councillors
> from Knowle, Filwood and Windmill Hill.
>
> Your remarks about being marginalized because we are grouped with Filwood
> are valid. The groups in Filwood tend to be very well organised and fight
> their corner and can be on occasions difficult to deal with. However, my
> job
> as a local councillor is to make sure that problems in Windmill Hill are
> not
> marginalized irrespective of which group I am dealing with; be it council
> tenants from Knowle West or articulate middle class people from
> Southville.
>
> Concerns about policing in this ward linked to what partnership we fall
> into
> are I believe unfounded. Alf and I usually speak or meet with our
> Neighbourhood Police Team several times a week. We have an excellent
> working
> relationship with them and I cannot remember one single incident when
> their
> ability to tackle problems in the ward was compromised because of the
> Partnership arrangements. Our PACT meetings for example are not affected
> by
> the partnership agreement and I know for a fact that our team work in
> conjunction with the police teams from all the surrounding wards,
> depending
> on what issues they are tackling.
>
> Your concerns over the lack of investment in our parks because of the
> partnership arrangements are again in my opinion overstated. We have just
> signed off the Improvement Plan for Victoria Park with Peter Wilkinson,
> Head
> of Parks. During this 12 month process it was never discussed or intimated
> that any funding for this work would be conditional on what partnership we
> were attached to. Over the last 5 years working with park groups like VPAG
> we have been very successful in bringing more investment into our parks
> and
> green spaces in this ward. With continued support from community groups
> throughout the ward I am confident that this investment will continue.
>
> While personally I have no strong opinion concerning what partnership we
> should belong to I do feel on balance that, because of the existing ties
> and
> the working relationships established over the last three years, we should
> remain where we are. I must though make it clear that after three years of
> going to meetings I am still to be convinced of the value of Neighbourhood
> Partnership in general. In my opinion until a substantial budget is
> attached
> to each ward through these partnerships, that can be allocated and spent
> by
> residents, they remain nothing much more than talking shops. Also bearing
> in
> mind the extremely low turnout at previous Partnership meetings and the
> fact
> that not one resident from this ward attended the last partnership event I
> am still not persuaded that this is a burning issue with the majority of
> residents. I feel it is also fair to point out that at the time of writing
> this email this is the only correspondence that I have ever received on
> this
> issue, from someone who actually lives in the ward.
>
> As you are already aware I am always willing to meet with resident groups
> or
> individuals to talk through these kind of issues. If you would like to
> arrange a meeting with one of your groups I will only be too happy to
> attend.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Nixie James-Scott
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