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Latest post made by Casey Bowman at May 12 04:59 UTC

From: Annie Olson Date: May 08 13:28 UTC Short link

The Lake Hiawatha beach E. coli levels have been normal for some time.
The beach remained closed for a couple of seasons after the original E.
coli closure due to budgetary cuts, not unsafe levels of bacteria.  The
Lake Hiawatha beach will be open again this summer on weekends, as it
was last year.  The Minneapolis Park & Recreation Board regularly tests
our lakes and swimming areas for bacteria levels and would not allow a
beach to be open if levels were unsafe.  Additionally, it is probably
okay that you don't allow your dogs in the lake as it is not allowed at
the beach and dogs are not to be off leash in park areas other than Off
Leash Recreation Areas.

Annie Olson
Customer Service Supervisor
Minneapolis Park & Recreation Board

From: Willy Lee Date: May 08 13:41 UTC Short link

I appreciate that dogs like to swim, but pet waste is a huge factor in E.
coli levels in urban lakes. (I'm not saying your dog poops in the lake.) If
you dog needs a swim, please consider taking them to the river dog park
where the ecosystem is better able to deal with it.

http://www.town.williston.vt.us/mgr/environ/petwaste.htm

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Olson, Annie E. <<email obscured>>
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From: Steve Basile Date: May 08 18:55 UTC Short link

I recently rescued a dog from a rural shelter and will soon take him for
lake walks. We always carry pet waste bags and pick up after him on
neighborhood walks.

Can you please explain how pets dipping in lakes and uncollected pet waste
washing into lakes are connected? Thanks.

Steve Basile
<email obscured>

From: Kate Kampa Date: May 09 13:49 UTC Short link

I don't know how they are connected but it will result in a fine if you have
your dog off lease and swimming in the lake.  A friend of ours received a
$280.00 fine as a result of letting their dog swim in the creek.

From: Michelle Marcott Date: May 09 14:31 UTC Short link

I don't let my dogs off leash.  But, after a brisk summer walk around Nokomis,
we used stop at Hiawatha's banks so they could cool their toes and grab a quick
drink.  That stopped after one of them got very sick and needed a balloon of
fluid inserted between her shoulders.  The vet guessed it was from drinking the
lake water.  They haven't been in the water since, and that was over five years
ago--long before the beaches were ever closed for E Coli.

I have lived in the neighborhood for more than 28 years  I have--believe it or
not--encountered a deer in the park on an early morning walk, and I have a
photograph of five herons standing in the mist at sunrise on Hiawatha beach.
While the lakes are beautiful to look at, I never once let my child swim in
either Nokomis or Hiawatha.

From: Casey Bowman Date: May 09 16:52 UTC Short link

No way...My 14-year-old labrador
retriever passed away a couple of years ago after many swims in that lake. 
It's one of the reasons to live here
with a dog, particularly one with webbed paws.  I still remember the first time
he swam there, quite
inadvertently.  I was with my neighbors and their lab, Rooney.  Mine was only a
tiny puppy  (his name was
Valor).   We were walking along the shore on the golf course in winter (risking
another fine?) when Rooney
appeared over a hill, but Valor was nowhere to be seen.   Running back we found
the poor little pup had fallen
into the water where a pipe entered the lake and melted the ice, his two front
paws just hanging on the ice.  He
loved that lake.  Let's get real.   Why is there such a disconnect between the
law and common
sense?  Have we lost our sense of something basic which mollifies the law? 
Have we lost our will just to have
a fun place to live?Casey BowmanMinnehaha Creek
Mugwumphttp://minnehaha-creek.blogspot.comOn
Fri, 9 May 2008 08:43:41 -0500 "Kate Kampa" <<email obscured>> wrote:> I
don't know how they are
connected but it will result >in a fine if you have your dog off lease and
swimming in >the lake.  A
friend of ours received a $280.00 fine as a >result of letting their dog swim
in the creek.> >

-----Original Message----->From: Steve Basile [mailto:<email obscured>]>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008
1:16 PM> To: <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [Mpls-StanEric]
Lake Hiawatha ??? Look,
but >don???t> touch???> > > I recently rescued a dog from a rural shelter and
will
>soon take him for> lake walks. We always carry pet waste bags and pick up
>after him on>
neighborhood walks.> > Can you please explain how pets dipping in lakes and
>uncollected pet
waste> washing into lakes are connected? Thanks.> > Steve Basile>
<email obscured>> > >> From: Willy Lee <<email obscured>>>> Date: Thu, 8
May 2008 08:41:26 -0500>> To: Minneapolis Standish Ericsson Neighbors Forum>>
<<email obscured>>>> Subject: Re: [Mpls-StanEric] Lake
Hiawatha ??? Look, but
>>don???t touch???>> >> I appreciate that dogs like to swim, but pet waste is a
>>huge factor in E.>> coli levels in urban lakes. (I'm not saying your dog
>>poops in the
lake.) If>> you dog needs a swim, please consider taking them to the >>river
dog park>>
where the ecosystem is better able to deal with it.>> >>
http://www.town.williston.vt.us/mgr/environ/petwaste.htm>>
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From: Casey Bowman Date: May 09 17:41 UTC Short link

Sorry about the formatting on my last message.  I was (and
am) using a browser today for email, which I'm not used
to.  Let me give it one more try on the formatting, using
plain text instead....


No way...

My 14-year-old labrador retriever passed away a couple of
years ago after many swims in that lake.  It's one of the
reasons to live herewith a dog, particularly one with
webbed paws.  I still remember the first time he swam
there, quite inadvertently.  I was with my neighbors and
their lab, Rooney.  Mine was only a tiny puppy  (his name
was Valor).  We were walking along the shore on the golf
course in winter (risking another fine?) when Rooney
appeared over a hill, but Valor was nowhere to be seen.
  Running back we found the poor little pup had fallen
into the water where a pipe entered the lake and melted
the ice, his two front paws just hanging on the ice.  He
loved that lake.

Let's get real.   Why is there such a disconnect between
the law and common sense?  Have we lost our sense of
something basic which mollifies the law?  Have we lost our
will just to have a fun place to live?

Casey Bowman

Minnehaha Creek Mugwump
http://minnehaha-creek.blogspot.com


On Fri, 9 May 2008 08:43:41 -0500 "Kate Kampa"

From: Phoenix Redux Date: May 09 17:42 UTC Short link

Casey -

There are off-leash dog areas in this city, I know it for a fact. If you
want one at Lake Hiawatha or Nokomis or whatever, that's fine. I don't have
a problem with that. But take it up with the Parks Board. It seems like
you're trolling for drama here. There are leash laws in this city for a good
reason. I, for one, don't want to be accosted by someone's ill-mannered
off-leash dog as I bike through there, or while my kid plays on the nearby
playground. You may be a good dog owner who maintains control of his dogs
and cleans up after them, but let's fact it, this isn't a perfect world, and
you know plenty of people *aren't* as good about it as you are.

Speaking of cognitive dissonance, why is there a disconnect between common
sense and your latest post? If anything, your story about the puppy falling
through the ice makes my point for me. If that dog had been on a leash as he
should have been, he would not have fallen into freezing cold water and you
wouldn't have had to risk your own neck to rescue him.
-Don Stremski
45xx 34th Ave S

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Charles R. Bowman <<email obscured>> wrote:

> No way...My 14-year-old labrador
> retriever passed away a couple of years ago after many swims in that lake.
> It's one of the reasons to live here
> with a dog, particularly one with webbed paws.  I still remember the first
> time he swam there, quite
> inadvertently.  I was with my neighbors and their lab, Rooney.  Mine was
> only a tiny puppy  (his name was
> Valor).   We were walking along the shore on the golf course in winter
> (risking another fine?) when Rooney
> appeared over a hill, but Valor was nowhere to be seen.   Running back we
> found the poor little pup had fallen
> into the water where a pipe entered the lake and melted the ice, his two
> front paws just hanging on the ice.  He
> loved that lake.  Let's get real.   Why is there such a disconnect between
> the law and common
> sense?  Have we lost our sense of something basic which mollifies the law?
> Have we lost our will just to have
> a fun place to live?Casey BowmanMinnehaha Creek
> Mugwumphttp://minnehaha-creek.blogspot.comOn
> Fri, 9 May 2008 08:43:41 -0500 "Kate Kampa" <<email obscured>> wrote:> I
> don't know how they are
> connected but it will result >in a fine if you have your dog off lease and
> swimming in >the lake.  A
> friend of ours received a $280.00 fine as a >result of letting their dog
> swim in the creek.> >
> -----Original Message----->From: Steve Basile [mailto:<email obscured>]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008
> 1:16 PM> To: <email obscured>> Subject: Re:
> [Mpls-StanEric] Lake Hiawatha ??? Look,
> but >don???t> touch???> > > I recently rescued a dog from a rural shelter
> and will
> >soon take him for> lake walks. We always carry pet waste bags and pick up
> >after him on>
> neighborhood walks.> > Can you please explain how pets dipping in lakes and
> >uncollected pet
> waste> washing into lakes are connected? Thanks.> > Steve Basile>
> <email obscured>> > >> From: Willy Lee <<email obscured>>>> Date:
> Thu, 8
> May 2008 08:41:26 -0500>> To: Minneapolis Standish Ericsson Neighbors
> Forum>>
> <<email obscured>>>> Subject: Re: [Mpls-StanEric] Lake
> Hiawatha ??? Look, but
> >>don???t touch???>> >> I appreciate that dogs like to swim, but pet waste
> is a
> >>huge factor in E.>> coli levels in urban lakes. (I'm not saying your dog
> >>poops in the
> lake.) If>> you dog needs a swim, please consider taking them to the
> >>river dog park>>
> where the ecosystem is better able to deal with it.>> >>
> http://www.town.williston.vt.us/mgr/environ/petwaste.htm>>
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From: Casey Bowman Date: May 12 04:59 UTC Short link

I was shocked at hearing that someone was fined $280 for letting their
dog play in the creek. Quite draconian.

Risk and fun sometimes go together. We could eliminate all risk by
building a wall around all bodies of water in the state of Minnesota.
After all, someone might drown. I just don't think we want that. A hefty
fine is like a wall.

Boundaries are important, such as the ones you mention, cleaning up
after your dog, and making sure he doesn't bother other people by
putting him on a leash, but rigidly applied, such boundaries can be a
real drag. I once did berate a French-speaking dog-walker for blatantly
not cleaning up after her dog, even after I pointed out to her that it
was the law. She didn't speak English, and I speak French. I think I
called her a "sale chamelle", which are strong words in French, meaning
"dirty camel".

Casey Bowman

Minnehaha Creek Mugwump
http://minnehaha-creek.blogspot.com



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