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From: Bill McGaughey Date: Aug 29 19:42 UTC Short link

I have to believe that this was not a good choice for McCain.  It has the
appearance of being a cheap shot in the game of gender politics to try to peel
off Hillary Clinton voters. The McCain ads run during the Democratic convention
show this was much on Republican strategists’ minds.

Sarah Palin is a political unknown.  She’s been governor of Alaska for less
than two years.  Because she supports drilling in the Alaska wildlife refuge
area, maybe her selection strengthens McCain’s commitment to that part of his
energy program - but to the possible detriment of his support for increasing
renewable sources of energy.

Palin is currently focus of a mini-scandal involving a call from the Governor’s
office to try to get a state trooper fired who was involved in a contentious
divorce case.  That Jerry Springer-like aspect of her public persona hardly
befits inclusion on a national ticket.

In short, even though Sarah Palin seems like a solid person who might some day
attain political prominence, the circumstances do not seem right for that to
happen at this particular time. Now, of course, Palin’s selection may be a
survey-driven decision that will, in fact, sway female voters and win the
election for McCain.  It just doesn’t look good to me.

From: Mike Fratto Date: Aug 29 21:18 UTC Short link

The state trooper that she attempted to get fired was her brother-in-law. When
her pressure didn't work she supposedly had the supervisor fired.

Mike Fratto
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Than what we did in the past.

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Bill McGaughey <2wmcg@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Bill McGaughey <2wmcg@earthlink.net>
Subject: [MN-Pol] McCain Picks Palin for VP
To: "Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum" <mn-politics@forums.e-democracy.org>
Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 2:45 PM

I have to believe that this was not a good choice for McCain.  It has the
appearance of being a cheap shot in the game of gender politics to try to peel
off Hillary Clinton voters. The McCain ads run during the Democratic convention
show this was much on Republican strategists minds.

Sarah Palin is a political unknown.  Shes been governor of Alaska for less
than two years.  Because she supports drilling in the Alaska wildlife refuge
area, maybe her selection strengthens McCains commitment to that part of his
energy program - but to the possible detriment of his support for increasing
renewable sources of energy.

Palin is currently focus of a mini-scandal involving a call from the
Governors office to try to get a state trooper fired who was involved in a
contentious divorce case.  That Jerry Springer-like aspect of her public
persona
hardly befits inclusion on a national ticket.

In short, even though Sarah Palin seems like a solid person who might some day
attain political prominence, the circumstances do not seem right for that to
happen at this particular time. Now, of course, Palins selection may be a
survey-driven decision that will, in fact, sway female voters and win the
election for McCain.  It just doesnt look good to me.

William McGaughey
Harrison, Minneapolis
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From: mitch berg Date: Aug 30 00:13 UTC Short link

Alternate explanation:  Palin is a highly capable politician who exemplifies
both a type of conservative with whom McCain is currently running weak, and the
type of woman the GOP can get behind as a standard bearer; tough, independent,
capable, rigorously anti-corruption, walks the walk (her oldest son has joined
the Army; she declined to abort her youngest when the diagnosis of Downs was
made in utero), more beholden to talent and skill than byzantine PC ideology.

She's got the potential to be a young Margaret Thatcher.  If you're a
Conservative, that's a good thing; if you're not, it's worth a listen; if you'd
never vote for a Republican, who cares what you think?

As to the "mini-scandal"; who cares?  Standard small-town politics, party
irrelevant.

Republicans are genuinely energized by this choice.

Mitch Berg
The Midway


--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Bill McGaughey <2wmcg@earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Bill McGaughey <2wmcg@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [MN-Pol] McCain Picks Palin for VP
> To: "Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum"
<mn-politics@forums.e-democracy.org>
> Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 2:45 PM
> I have to believe that this was not a good choice for
> McCain.  It has the appearance of being a cheap shot in the
> game of gender politics to try to peel off Hillary Clinton
> voters. The McCain ads run during the Democratic convention
> show this was much on Republican strategists’ minds.
>
> Sarah Palin is a political unknown.  She’s been governor
> of Alaska for less than two years.  Because she supports
> drilling in the Alaska wildlife refuge area, maybe her
> selection strengthens McCain’s commitment to that part of
> his energy program - but to the possible detriment of his
> support for increasing renewable sources of energy.
>
> Palin is currently focus of a mini-scandal involving a call
> from the Governor’s office to try to get a state trooper
> fired who was involved in a contentious divorce case.  That
> Jerry Springer-like aspect of her public persona hardly
> befits inclusion on a national ticket.
>
> In short, even though Sarah Palin seems like a solid person
> who might some day attain political prominence, the
> circumstances do not seem right for that to happen at this
> particular time. Now, of course, Palin’s selection may be
> a survey-driven decision that will, in fact, sway female
> voters and win the election for McCain.  It just doesn’t
> look good to me.
>
>
> William McGaughey
> Harrison, Minneapolis
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From: Linda Fort Date: Aug 30 00:46 UTC Short link

"Eneregized" is a good way to explain how I felt when I heard the news
today.  I like her!

Linda Fort
rural Winona



> Alternate explanation:  Palin is a highly capable politician who
> exemplifies both a type of conservative with whom McCain is currently
> running weak, and the type of woman the GOP can get behind as a standard
> bearer; tough, independent, capable, rigorously anti-corruption, walks the
> walk (her oldest son has joined the Army; she declined to abort her
> youngest when the diagnosis of Downs was made in utero), more beholden to
> talent and skill than byzantine PC ideology.
>
> She's got the potential to be a young Margaret Thatcher.  If you're a
> Conservative, that's a good thing; if you're not, it's worth a listen; if
> you'd never vote for a Republican, who cares what you think?
>
> As to the "mini-scandal"; who cares?  Standard small-town politics, party
> irrelevant.
>
> Republicans are genuinely energized by this choice.
>
> Mitch Berg
> The Midway
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Bill McGaughey <2wmcg@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Bill McGaughey <2wmcg@earthlink.net>
>> Subject: [MN-Pol] McCain Picks Palin for VP
>> To: "Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum"
>> <mn-politics@forums.e-democracy.org>
>> Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 2:45 PM
>> I have to believe that this was not a good choice for
>> McCain.  It has the appearance of being a cheap shot in the
>> game of gender politics to try to peel off Hillary Clinton
>> voters. The McCain ads run during the Democratic convention
>> show this was much on Republican strategists’ minds.
>>
>> Sarah Palin is a political unknown.  She’s been governor
>> of Alaska for less than two years.  Because she supports
>> drilling in the Alaska wildlife refuge area, maybe her
>> selection strengthens McCain’s commitment to that part of
>> his energy program - but to the possible detriment of his
>> support for increasing renewable sources of energy.
>>
>> Palin is currently focus of a mini-scandal involving a call
>> from the Governor’s office to try to get a state trooper
>> fired who was involved in a contentious divorce case.  That
>> Jerry Springer-like aspect of her public persona hardly
>> befits inclusion on a national ticket.
>>
>> In short, even though Sarah Palin seems like a solid person
>> who might some day attain political prominence, the
>> circumstances do not seem right for that to happen at this
>> particular time. Now, of course, Palin’s selection may be
>> a survey-driven decision that will, in fact, sway female
>> voters and win the election for McCain.  It just doesn’t
>> look good to me.
>>
>>
>> William McGaughey
>> Harrison, Minneapolis
>> Info about Bill McGaughey:
>> http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/williammcgaughey
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From: Gary Thompson Date: Aug 30 01:36 UTC Short link

Here is what a female U.S. Senator, Barbara Boxer has said about this pick.

"The Vice President is a heartbeat away from becoming President, so to choose
someone with not one hour's worth of experience on national issues is a
dangerous choice.
If John McCain thought that choosing Sarah Palin would attract Hillary Clinton
voters, he is badly mistaken.
The only similarity between her and Hillary Clinton is that they are both
women. On the issues, they could not be further apart.
Senator McCain had so many other options if he wanted to put a woman on his
ticket, such as Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison or Senator Olympia Snowe -- they
would have been an appropriate choice compared to this dangerous choice.
In addition, Sarah Palin is under investigation by the Alaska state legislature
which makes this more incomprehensible."

The investigation is for abuse of power in dismissing a state official. This is
what we need, ....more politicians who ABUSE THEIR POWER. I.E.PRES. BUSH.,
CHENEY, and a whole slew of currant administration officials.

Gary Thompson

St. Paul

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Mitch Berg <mitchpberg@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mitch Berg <mitchpberg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [MN-Pol] McCain Picks Palin for VP
To: "Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum" <mn-politics@forums.e-democracy.org>,
"Bill McGaughey" <2wmcg@earthlink.net>
Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 7:12 PM

Alternate explanation:  Palin is a highly capable politician who exemplifies
both a type of conservative with whom McCain is currently running weak, and the
type of woman the GOP can get behind as a standard bearer; tough, independent,
capable, rigorously anti-corruption, walks the walk (her oldest son has joined
the Army; she declined to abort her youngest when the diagnosis of Downs was
made in utero), more beholden to talent and skill than byzantine PC ideology.

She's got the potential to be a young Margaret Thatcher.  If you're a
Conservative, that's a good thing; if you're not, it's worth a
listen; if you'd never vote for a Republican, who cares what you think?

As to the "mini-scandal"; who cares?  Standard small-town politics,
party irrelevant.

Republicans are genuinely energized by this choice.

Mitch Berg
The Midway


--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Bill McGaughey <2wmcg@earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Bill McGaughey <2wmcg@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [MN-Pol] McCain Picks Palin for VP
> To: "Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum"
<mn-politics@forums.e-democracy.org>
> Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 2:45 PM
> I have to believe that this was not a good choice for
> McCain.  It has the appearance of being a cheap shot in the
> game of gender politics to try to peel off Hillary Clinton
> voters. The McCain ads run during the Democratic convention
> show this was much on Republican strategists minds.
>
> Sarah Palin is a political unknown.  Shes been governor
> of Alaska for less than two years.  Because she supports
> drilling in the Alaska wildlife refuge area, maybe her
> selection strengthens McCains commitment to that part of
> his energy program - but to the possible detriment of his
> support for increasing renewable sources of energy.
>
> Palin is currently focus of a mini-scandal involving a call
> from the Governors office to try to get a state trooper
> fired who was involved in a contentious divorce case.  That
> Jerry Springer-like aspect of her public persona hardly
> befits inclusion on a national ticket.
>
> In short, even though Sarah Palin seems like a solid person
> who might some day attain political prominence, the
> circumstances do not seem right for that to happen at this
> particular time. Now, of course, Palins selection may be
> a survey-driven decision that will, in fact, sway female
> voters and win the election for McCain.  It just doesnt
> look good to me.
>
>
> William McGaughey
> Harrison, Minneapolis
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> http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/williammcgaughey
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From: K R Schiebel Date: Aug 30 02:25 UTC Short link

""anti-corruption""

Your kidding, right. I mean talk the talk is easy, but Walk the walk?!? Like
I said on Centrisity, he must have vetted with Yahoo instead of Google!!

"" Republicans are genuinely energized by this choice.""

That may be true, but as energized as those in the Democratic party, I doubt
it.

Even in your comments Chad the Elder was pretty luke warm, and if you saw
the Ramstad interviews, well, I believe he said "The jury is still out"

So ya, van Palin is a solid choice, I'm excited.

From: mitch berg Date: Aug 30 02:40 UTC Short link

I guess this show the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

Barbara Boxer is "a female senator" to Democrats.  To Republicans, Sarah Palin
is "the governor of Alaska".

(We won't mention that Barbara Boxer is by far the stupidest person currently
serving in the US Senate).

From: Bill McGaughey Date: Aug 30 03:02 UTC Short link

As more information becomes available, the picture is more complicated.

My initial reaction was that Palin was an inexperienced politician picked
solely to counter Hillary Clinton's appeal among women.  The Republicans
probably erred in stressing that possibility.

However, the fact that Palin fought corrupt influences in state politics, even
those related to her own party, strengthens McCain's appeal as someone who
wants to clean up Washington.  Also, Palin's pro-life, pro-guns stance helps
McCain with the Republican base.  He has to do that to be politically
effective.

The weakness, of course, is that Palin's inexperience in national politics is a
dangerous quality in someone "a heartbeat away from the Presidency".  However,
her vulnerability may be no worse than when Truman took over from Roosevelt.

From: Gary Thompson Date: Aug 30 03:56 UTC Short link

Well Mitch, you are wrong on the great Republican Abraham Lincoln. He was a
U.S. Congressman from the great state ofIllinois and spoke out against the
Mexican-American War. He also served 4 terms in the Illinois State House.

(I won't mention that calling Boxer the stupidest person in the Senate is
probably slander. I will refrain from mentioning others as more stupid).

Gary Thompson

St Paul

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Mitch Berg <mitchpberg@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mitch Berg <mitchpberg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [MN-Pol] McCain Picks Palin for VP
To: "Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum" <mn-politics@forums.e-democracy.org>
Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 9:40 PM

I guess this show the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

Barbara Boxer is "a female senator" to Democrats.  To Republicans,
Sarah Palin is "the governor of Alaska".

(We won't mention that Barbara Boxer is by far the stupidest person
currently serving in the US Senate).

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Gary Thompson <gkthomp@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "The Vice President is a heartbeat away from becoming
> President, so to choose someone with not one hour's
> worth of experience on national issues is a dangerous
> choice.

Abraham Lincoln had "not an hours' worth of experience" on
national issues.

> If John McCain thought that choosing Sarah Palin would
> attract Hillary Clinton voters, he is badly mistaken.

If Babs thought "attracting Hillary Clinton voters" was the primary
motivation, it explains a lot, since...

> The only similarity between her and Hillary Clinton is that
> they are both women. On the issues, they could not be
> further apart.

...THAT is why Palin's on the ticket; she shores Mac up *on the right*.

> Senator McCain had so many other options if he wanted to
> put a woman on his ticket, such as Senator Kay Bailey
> Hutchison or Senator Olympia Snowe -- they would have been
> an appropriate choice compared to this dangerous choice.

Further evidence, if any were needed, of Boxer's disconnect from reality.
The last thing McCain needed was another Senator of *any* gender; he's got
that base covered vastly better than Obama and Biden rolled together.  Palin is
young, but she's a born leader on a lot of issues that matter to Republicans
and other real Americans.  And there is no need to add a "moderate"
like Hutchison or a Stage IV liberal like Snowe when Mac already fills the
"moderate" role all-too-well for the base.

Mitch Berg
The Midway

From: Eva Young Date: Aug 30 04:32 UTC Short link

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Mitch Berg <mitchpberg@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Alternate explanation:  Palin is a highly capable politician who
> exemplifies both a type of conservative with whom McCain is currently
> running weak, and the type of woman the GOP can get behind as a standard
> bearer; tough, independent, capable, rigorously anti-corruption, walks the
> walk (her oldest son has joined the Army; she declined to abort her youngest
> when the diagnosis of Downs was made in utero), more beholden to talent and
> skill than byzantine PC ideology.
>
> She's got the potential to be a young Margaret Thatcher.  If you're a
> Conservative, that's a good thing; if you're not, it's worth a listen; if
> you'd never vote for a Republican, who cares what you think?
>
> As to the "mini-scandal"; who cares?  Standard small-town politics, party
> irrelevant.
>

The mini-scandal sounds like the type of thing most understand -- firing the
commissioner of public safety because he refused to fire a state trooper who
was Sarah's brother in law - who had been involved in a messy divorce.  And
the legislature has just opened an investigation into this (on a bipartisan
basis).   Trying to settle personal and family scores through pressuring
people to hire/or fire is disgusting.

Berg:

>
> Republicans are genuinely energized by this choice.

EY:  That's the Focus on the Family Types who are.....  The Powerline boys
 disagree:

"DISAPPOINTED

I'm very disappointed that John McCain would put someone as inexperienced
and lacking in foreign policy and national security background as Sarah
Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency."

And here:

"OK, it's later. I'm worried about Palin. I'm afraid she may be the
Geraldine Ferraro of 2008. If she really is the nominee, will it come across
as a desperation move, a Hail Mary, as Mondale's choice of Ferraro did in
1984? I'm afraid so. Her experience just doesn't justify a place on the
ticket. If McCain really wanted to go radical, Bobby Jindal was the far
sounder choice--but maybe Jindal turned him down, on the theory that he
needs to do his job as Governor of Louisiana before trying to go national."

Meanwhile the liberal blogs are calling Palin:  Alaska's Michele Bachmann,
showing that Michele Bachmann is political poison to the national ticket.

Eva Young
Lloydletta's Nooz
http://lloydletta.blogspot.com

From: Chuck Repke Date: Aug 30 04:39 UTC Short link

Just a couple of comments from watching a few of the talking heads.

My friends on the left have been attacking Palin on the "fire my
ex-brother-in-law" scandal.

The Palin supporters are saying two things: First she has been going after
the "good old boys" in Alaska and dismissing long time GOP office holders that
there has been suspicion that there is cozy relationships with contractors,
lobbyist etc. ... one of those people was the head of the troopers.

When he gets the boot he brings up that someone in the Governors office had
urged him to fire her ex-brother-in-law.  Palin suspends the employee that  is
accused of making the call.

Friends of the disgruntled department head in the legislature start an
investigation on Palin.

The other play of the talking heads is when the democrat mentions her lack
of experience they remind them that both Obama and Palin are in their first
terms.

Just an observation

Chuck Repke
Saint Paul



In a message dated 8/29/2008 10:03:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
<email obscured> writes:

As more  information becomes available, the picture is more complicated.

My  initial reaction was that Palin was an inexperienced politician picked
solely  to counter Hillary Clinton's appeal among women.  The Republicans
probably erred in stressing that possibility.

However, the fact that  Palin fought corrupt influences in state politics,
even those related to her  own party, strengthens McCain's appeal as someone
who
wants to clean up  Washington.  Also, Palin's pro-life, pro-guns stance helps
McCain with  the Republican base.  He has to do that to be politically
effective.

The weakness, of course, is that Palin's inexperience in  national politics
is a dangerous quality in someone "a heartbeat away from the  Presidency".
However, her vulnerability may be no worse than when Truman  took over from
Roosevelt.

From: Todd Suomela Date: Aug 30 04:51 UTC Short link

Folks, the McCain and Palin threads are definitely outside of the
Minnesota public policy issues and politics mandate of this list.

So take the discussion elsewhere, to one or more of the millions of
other forums, weblogs, talk shows, and pundit watering holes where you
can argue forever about the brilliance or stupidity of the McCain/Palin
campaign.

Thanks,

Todd Suomela
Direct: <email obscured>
Forum Manager
MN - Politics, E-democracy
http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics/
Forum : <email obscured>

From: Lee Surma Date: Aug 30 11:50 UTC Short link

You can't slander a public person especially when what you
say is true. I'm sure that along with the so called
"Fairness Doctrine" designed to silence free speech you
lefties are capable of changing the slander laws to
protect Democrats from criticism. Yes it is getting that
bad. You guys are pathetic and dangerous to freedom.

I love the inexperience argument against Palen. What a
joke. She is at least as experienced as your number one
man Obama. The media is grasping at straws trying to find
anything and it's disgusting listening to the morons. And
if you really want "Change" who the heck wants a 35 year
Washington insider like Biden?

Lee Surma
Maple Grove

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