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Latest post made by Tim Erickson at 2007 May 22 15:50 UTC

From: Tim Erickson Date: 2007 May 17 20:56 UTC Short link

Any official vote of the Executive Committee needs to happen in our
"COMMITTEE" forum.

Here is the motion, as put forward by Charlie Swope. I believe that
Mike Fratto intended to second it. Mike can you confirm that.

Please, posts your votes here.

    <email obscured>

Tim Erickson

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From: Tim Erickson Date: 2007 May 17 21:35 UTC Short link

I'll go ahead and forward this to the COMMITTEE as well. Giving us a
motion and a second. Voting will be open for 24 hours, please vote
yes or no.

I vote YES.

That gives us:

   2 votes in favor (Tim and Mike)
   0 votes against  (-)

Thanks,

Tim Erickson

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mike Fratto
> Date: May 17, 2007 12:43:08 PM CDT
> To: M Charles Swope, "St. Paul E-Democracy Team"
> Subject: Re: [SPED-Team] Announcement Forum - Motion to Implement
>
> I second Charlie's motion.
>
> I vote yes
>
> M Charles Swope <<email obscured>> wrote: Committee Members,
>
> Should we move forward with the proposal to implement
> a St. Paul Announcement forum? I move that we do so.
> Specifically, I move that we institute an announcement
> forum, that event announcements and news compilations
> (like the Daily Planet story links) be placed there
> and thereafter not be permitted on the main discussion
> forum (SPIF) except for a periodic, moderator produced
>  summary of all current events published on the
> announcement forum. (This is option 3 from my written
> proposal)
>
> Will someone second this motion and then will everyone
> please reply to this message with a yes or no vote.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
> Charles Swope
> Ramsey Hill, Ward 2, St. Paul
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From: Charlie Swope Date: 2007 May 17 21:41 UTC Short link

I vote yes

Charlie

From: Bob Spaulding Date: 2007 May 18 00:48 UTC Short link

I would vote yes.

Though I have one hope (though my vote would still be yes without it).

The proviso is that I think the announcements list should by default
automatically subscribe all current and new SPED subscribers, and
require them to "opt out" if they wish to unsubscribe.  My rationale
is that in the beginning we are essentially splitting the functions
currently performed by SPIF, and therefore I suggest all current SPIF
members be automatically subscribed to this list.

Hopefully in the long run, the announcements list will take on a life
of its own.

Likewise, I would encourage the default to be all new SPED/SPIF
members are automatically subscribed, because too many members never
make it back to our webpage to change their subscriptions.

From: Charlie Swope Date: 2007 May 18 04:01 UTC Short link

Yes, it is planned that all SPIF registrants would be
automatically enrolled to the announcements forum with
an option to be removed if they request that.

From: Mike Fratto Date: 2007 May 18 20:48 UTC Short link

I do vote in favor.

Tim Erickson <<email obscured>> wrote: I'll go ahead and forward this to the
COMMITTEE as well. Giving us a
motion and a second. Voting will be open for 24 hours, please vote
yes or no.

I vote YES.

That gives us:

   2 votes in favor (Tim and Mike)
   0 votes against  (-)

Thanks,

Tim Erickson

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mike Fratto
> Date: May 17, 2007 12:43:08 PM CDT
> To: M Charles Swope, "St. Paul E-Democracy Team"
> Subject: Re: [SPED-Team] Announcement Forum - Motion to Implement
>
> I second Charlie's motion.
>
> I vote yes
>
> M Charles Swope  wrote: Committee Members,
>
> Should we move forward with the proposal to implement
> a St. Paul Announcement forum? I move that we do so.
> Specifically, I move that we institute an announcement
> forum, that event announcements and news compilations
> (like the Daily Planet story links) be placed there
> and thereafter not be permitted on the main discussion
> forum (SPIF) except for a periodic, moderator produced
>  summary of all current events published on the
> announcement forum. (This is option 3 from my written
> proposal)
>
> Will someone second this motion and then will everyone
> please reply to this message with a yes or no vote.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
> Charles Swope
> Ramsey Hill, Ward 2, St. Paul
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From: Dave Hutcheson Date: 2007 May 19 14:25 UTC Short link

I think we have discussed this before, and the motion is a straightforward,
sensible approach, so I will vote for it.   But let me insist once  more that
the only way that the rules of order for passing a motion  really make sense
is to observe the following sequence:
     - one member makes a motion
     - another member seconds it
     - having been seconded, the motion is open to  discussion, which may in
some cases last for quite a while, until brought to  some sort of termination
     - the membership votes on the motion

Implications:
     -  to second a motion is only to agree that  it should be discussed.  It
is not illogical to, and one is free to,  second a motion and then vote
against it.
     -  to move directly from seconding a motion  to voting on it is in
effect to deny any other member the opportunity to ask a  question about it or
express an opinion about it.

I think the above should be true of electronic meetings as well as of
meeting rooms.

I vote yes

Dave Hutcheson
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From: Tim Erickson Date: 2007 May 22 15:50 UTC Short link

Dave:

Thanks for the reminder. You just explained this to me at the last
meeting, where it made sense - but, then in the context of the online
vote, I got confused again.

We're all still learning.

Anyway, if my count is correct, the following folks voted for the
motion:

   Charlie Swope
   Mike Fratto
   Tim Erickson
   Rosa Maria de la Cueva Peterson
   Bob Spaulding
   Dave Hutcheson
   Gary Thomspson

Votes against:

   No one

Did not vote:

   Grace Kelly

Motion passes on a vote of 8 - 0

Thanks,

Tim Erickson

On May 19, 2007, at 9:20 AM, <email obscured> wrote:

> I think we have discussed this before, and the motion is a
> straightforward,
> sensible approach, so I will vote for it.   But let me insist once
> more that
> the only way that the rules of order for passing a motion  really
> make sense
> is to observe the following sequence:
>      - one member makes a motion
>      - another member seconds it
>      - having been seconded, the motion is open to  discussion,
> which may in
> some cases last for quite a while, until brought to  some sort of
> termination
>      - the membership votes on the motion
>
> Implications:
>      -  to second a motion is only to agree that  it should be
> discussed.  It
> is not illogical to, and one is free to,  second a motion and then
> vote
> against it.
>      -  to move directly from seconding a motion  to voting on it
> is in
> effect to deny any other member the opportunity to ask a  question
> about it or
> express an opinion about it.
>
> I think the above should be true of electronic meetings as well as of
> meeting rooms.
>
> I vote yes
>
> Dave Hutcheson
> 651 210 6114
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at http://
> www.aol.com.
>
> Dave Hutcheson
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