I am glad to see the effects and ultimate costs of traumatic brain injury being
discussed within the specific context of the Minneapolis stadium. I have
included an article about my fellow ND Alumnus Dave Duerson, who suffered from
Chronic Traumatic Encephelopathy in the years before his eventual suicide in
2011.
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/dave-duerson-the-ferocious-life-and-tragic-death-of-a-super-bowl-star-20121002
It's my understanding that there's sort of an upper limit to preventing brain
injury, just because of the nature of the brain, its surrounding fluid, and the
skull itself. So if you stop the head from moving forward, brain injury happens
regardless of the nature of the helmet outside the head. Unless somebody
figures out how to cushion a brain from inside the skull, this will continue to
be a problem. (If anyone has better info on this, please share.)
Looking forward, I hope that the bird-killing, coffer-draining concussion
factory that looks like a giant REI and bears the picture of an accused
child-abuser, can do double-duty as a community garden, because the long-term
viability of football as we know it today is by no means certain.
Heather Fraser
discussed within the specific context of the Minneapolis stadium. I have
included an article about my fellow ND Alumnus Dave Duerson, who suffered from
Chronic Traumatic Encephelopathy in the years before his eventual suicide in
2011.
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/dave-duerson-the-ferocious-life-and-tragic-death-of-a-super-bowl-star-20121002
It's my understanding that there's sort of an upper limit to preventing brain
injury, just because of the nature of the brain, its surrounding fluid, and the
skull itself. So if you stop the head from moving forward, brain injury happens
regardless of the nature of the helmet outside the head. Unless somebody
figures out how to cushion a brain from inside the skull, this will continue to
be a problem. (If anyone has better info on this, please share.)
Looking forward, I hope that the bird-killing, coffer-draining concussion
factory that looks like a giant REI and bears the picture of an accused
child-abuser, can do double-duty as a community garden, because the long-term
viability of football as we know it today is by no means certain.
Heather Fraser
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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [Mpls] Go Vikes!
There may be something to Ed's contention. We know that traumatic brain injury
caused by a child falling from a window will on average cost society
approximately $500,000 dollars in additional social services including
additional costs from the criminal justice system. Traumatic brain injury is
a problem for the rest of the persons life. There is a great deal of research
to back those statistics up.
I am sure the same syndrome occurs with football players at the college and
professional levels where the impacts are greater as player become older,
faster and larger. It is also exacerbated by steroid use as well as the
particular individuals that enjoy and continue successfully playing the game.
Not always but certainly at a level far greater than the general population.
Genetically we really do produce "warriors" who excel at aggressive action.
Those are the ones who we want protecting the 'tribe' when the enemy comes or a
cave bear decides to evict the family from its cave. Of course we have had the
sheep allowed to be genetically successful for the last couple of thousand
years and those "warriors" are not as needed, nor appreciated, as they once
were. EXCEPT when the sheep vicariously live through the violent activities of
those warriors aggressively fighting it out on a college or professional
football field.
Even us old 'warriors' still enjoy watching the young testosterone filled bucks
bang heads in the ring or on the football field. But as a society we do pay a
price for it. And who knows, if they were not doing so in the legitimate venue
they are we might have them doing the 'testing'in more public and less
acceptable ways. Most 'warriors' would rather beat up on and bump heads with
another warrior rather than one of the sheep that society protects. Perhaps it
is better that we let them.
I still love watching the Vikings and watching and criticizing fighters fight
so I am not to concerned with their possible injury, but I am concerned about
traumatic brain injury suffered by babies and children who fall through the
poor window screens provided by manufacturers. There is a reasonable
expectation that a child will be safe in its own home. Window manufacturers
and politicians do not provide for those expectations of the public to be
reality for Minneapolis and Minnesota families.
For some strange reason our politicians and the public is more concerned with
football players and their injuries than they are with the injuries to babies
and children. Strange priorities... Jim Graham
On Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:36 AM, Scott Vreeland
<<email obscured>> wrote:
I do like watching NFL football games. The technology of helmets is much
improved to protect against brain injury. But the hardness of the helmet is
really a cause of injury for those who hit and those who are hit (and its
called spearing). You get a penalty for helmet to helmet blows.
My suggestion would be to basically make the helmet into a pillow, with padding
on the outside that significantly cushions blows by and to players.
Sure it would look odd for a while and they would look a little like bobble
heads, but there are a lot of kids who also play tackle football. There is no
reason to not make the game safer for all.
Thanks,
Scott Vreeland
In a message dated 9/27/2014 7:28:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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Maybe it's time to take a serious look at our favorite Sunday pastime. There
are two football phenomena that now have our attention: violence of the
players and traumatic brain injury. Maybe they're related. Maybe a gladiator
sport that rewards players for using their head as a battering ram produces
brain injuries and violent men. Traumatic brain injuries occur in about 8.5%
of the general population, but occur in 60% of the prison population
<chttp://www.scientificamerican.com/article/traumatic-brain-injury-prison/>
We watch football for the empathic thrill of adrenalin when a wide receiver
stretches for a reception. The danger, of course, adds to the thrill. When he
is fully extended and vulnerable is just when he is cut down and trampled, his
neck and vertebrae mangled. Is it worth the thrill, knowing the cost to the
player, the cost to his wife, the cost to his children?
Go Vikes! (like maybe to Los Angeles)
Ed Felien
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There may be something to Ed's contention. We know that traumatic brain injury
caused by a child falling from a window will on average cost society
approximately $500,000 dollars in additional social services including
additional costs from the criminal justice system. Traumatic brain injury is
a problem for the rest of the persons life. There is a great deal of research
to back those statistics up.
I am sure the same syndrome occurs with football players at the college and
professional levels where the impacts are greater as player become older,
faster and larger. It is also exacerbated by steroid use as well as the
particular individuals that enjoy and continue successfully playing the game.
Not always but certainly at a level far greater than the general population.
Genetically we really do produce "warriors" who excel at aggressive action.
Those are the ones who we want protecting the 'tribe' when the enemy comes or a
cave bear decides to evict the family from its cave. Of course we have had the
sheep allowed to be genetically successful for the last couple of thousand
years and those "warriors" are not as needed, nor appreciated, as they once
were. EXCEPT when the sheep vicariously live through the violent activities of
those warriors aggressively fighting it out on a college or professional
football field.
Even us old 'warriors' still enjoy watching the young testosterone filled bucks
bang heads in the ring or on the football field. But as a society we do pay a
price for it. And who knows, if they were not doing so in the legitimate venue
they are we might have them doing the 'testing'in more public and less
acceptable ways. Most 'warriors' would rather beat up on and bump heads with
another warrior rather than one of the sheep that society protects. Perhaps it
is better that we let them.
I still love watching the Vikings and watching and criticizing fighters fight
so I am not to concerned with their possible injury, but I am concerned about
traumatic brain injury suffered by babies and children who fall through the
poor window screens provided by manufacturers. There is a reasonable
expectation that a child will be safe in its own home. Window manufacturers
and politicians do not provide for those expectations of the public to be
reality for Minneapolis and Minnesota families.
For some strange reason our politicians and the public is more concerned with
football players and their injuries than they are with the injuries to babies
and children. Strange priorities... Jim Graham
On Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:36 AM, Scott Vreeland
<<email obscured>> wrote:
I do like watching NFL football games. The technology of helmets is much
improved to protect against brain injury. But the hardness of the helmet is
really a cause of injury for those who hit and those who are hit (and its
called spearing). You get a penalty for helmet to helmet blows.
My suggestion would be to basically make the helmet into a pillow, with padding
on the outside that significantly cushions blows by and to players.
Sure it would look odd for a while and they would look a little like bobble
heads, but there are a lot of kids who also play tackle football. There is no
reason to not make the game safer for all.
Thanks,
Scott Vreeland
In a message dated 9/27/2014 7:28:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
<email obscured> writes:
Maybe it's time to take a serious look at our favorite Sunday pastime. There
are two football phenomena that now have our attention: violence of the
players and traumatic brain injury. Maybe they're related. Maybe a gladiator
sport that rewards players for using their head as a battering ram produces
brain injuries and violent men. Traumatic brain injuries occur in about 8.5%
of the general population, but occur in 60% of the prison population
<chttp://www.scientificamerican.com/article/traumatic-brain-injury-prison/>
We watch football for the empathic thrill of adrenalin when a wide receiver
stretches for a reception. The danger, of course, adds to the thrill. When he
is fully extended and vulnerable is just when he is cut down and trampled, his
neck and vertebrae mangled. Is it worth the thrill, knowing the cost to the
player, the cost to his wife, the cost to his children?
Go Vikes! (like maybe to Los Angeles)
Ed Felien
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