All posts in the topic Now for some IP spin (Short link)
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- Latest post made by Bill Kahn (D) at Oct 14 12:17 UTC
I don’t know about you but I thought Dean Barkley was the clear winner in
Saturday’s Senatorial debate. He has the life experience to give real answers
to the questions posed.
In particular, when the candidates were asked how ordinary people had
contributed to the financial debacle, Barkley was able to cite an example,
brought to him personally, of someone who tried to buy 15 properties under the
easy-credit policies of the past several years, believing that prices would
always rise. Coleman and Franken gave stock political answers.
Barkley has worked as a lawyer, a lobbyist, gubernatorial campaign manager,
manager of a car wash, and, most recently, a bus driver for Metro Transit, in
addition to his Planning Agency job in the Ventura administration. He’s
divorced and, yes, has placed a Personals ad looking for love. In other words,
the guy eats, breathes, and sweats like the rest of us.
Norm Coleman has been a lawyer in the state Attorney General’s office and a
career politician. Franken has spent his life in the world of Big
Entertainment, stoking the fires of political passion. And so, Al Franken gave
a perfectly timed delivery, using the word “maverick” to good comic effect.
Coleman smiled a lot, stressing his twin themes of getting the job done and
straddling the bipartisan divide. In his most substantive remark, Franken
pointed out that Coleman is seeking to chair the Republican Senatorial Campaign
Committee which does anything but reach out to Democrats.
But back to Barkley. He was outstanding at Saturday’s debate.
In the interests of full disclosure, I should point out that I am the 5th
District Congressional candidate for the same party as Barkley’s, the
Independence Party of Minnesota. So take my remarks with a grain of salt.
Barkley has my vote on general principles.
There is no way that I can vote for a Republican or a Democrat ever again and I
hope there are a lot of voters out there like me. In this case, he has
actually been in the Senate as an appointee. I think he spends too much time
talking about being able to pull all the partisans together instead of
attacking the major parties for poor policy and gross incompetence. He also
could have been in a much stronger position if our former Governor would have
played the political cards right.
The question about how "ordinary people" contributed to the financial debacle
was a setup as far as I'm concerned. The Democrats and Republicans sell the
economic fantasy for decades and continue to sell it despite massive and
unsustainable debt.
Why wouldn't the average guy start acting like a millionaire?
George Dawson
St. Paul, MN
George Dawson wrote:
> Barkley has my vote on general principles.
>
Unfortunately, his role in the Ventura Administration is not
reassuring. Ventura was a mean spirited, vindictive executive of the
George Bush variety. They played games with redistricting, creating a
"multi-partisan' commission then submitting their own Ventura
Administration plan. The rhetoric does not match the actual performance.
Talk about petty, they would not even issue the standard
"congratulations on 20, 30 etc years of existence" governor's
certificates to civic organizations that questioned their actions.
if being petty signifies the propensity to lose perspective, and narrowly focus on a minute aspect of a large organization, then mr asche wins that contest. friends of mine who drank the IP cool aid in search of an alternative to the dominant parties, and were understandably sickened by ventura's lack of support for the IP, but continue to acknowledge the ability of mr barkley. mr asche's attempt to tarnish mr barkley by trying to pin the 'petty' label on him, shows that asche is the one who wears the petty label on his thin skin, inscribed, naturally, in indellible ink. steve scholl st paul, mn > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:33:45 -0500> From: <email obscured>> To: <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [MN-Pol] Now for some IP spin> > George Dawson wrote:> > Barkley has my vote on general principles. > > > Unfortunately, his role in the Ventura Administration is not > reassuring. Ventura was a mean spirited, vindictive executive of the > George Bush variety. They played games with redistricting, creating a > "multi-partisan' commission then submitting their own Ventura > Administration plan. The rhetoric does not match the actual performance.> > Talk about petty, they would not even issue the standard > "congratulations on 20, 30 etc years of existence" governor's > certificates to civic organizations that questioned their actions.> > > -- > Marc Asch <email obscured>> 34 North Oaks Road 651-484-9037 > North Oaks, MN 55127> > "Democracy is not a spectator sport."> Craig S. Wilson> > > Marc Asch> > Info about Marc Asch: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/marcasch> > This topic's messages may be viewed at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/6N5DAErKiSETY1PTaXPbKi>
steve scholl wrote:
> if being petty signifies the propensity to lose perspective,
Steve is using the Palin approach to facts, ignoring the major ones he
finds disagreeable and focusing on minor ones.
Barkley, who portrays himself as bringing partisans together, acted in a
most partisan manner in the redistricting shell game he and Ventura
ran. They created a multi-partisan commission then did an end run
around it with a Ventura plan to the legislature.
There is nothing petty about it, not now, not then.
It has nothing to do with thick or thin skins, only a good memory.
My petty reference was to illustrate that their lack of
multi-partisanship and comity extended to even petty issues.
Since all you have to do is cut and paste to get the spellings of names
correct, it would be nice if list members could learn that skill.
I always do take your comments with a grain of salt but thanks for the heads up! > To: <email obscured>> From: <email obscured>> Subject: [MN-Pol] Now for some IP spin> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:03:03 +1300> > I dont know about you but I thought Dean Barkley was the clear winner in Saturdays Senatorial debate. He has the life experience to give real answers to the questions posed.> > In particular, when the candidates were asked how ordinary people had contributed to the financial debacle, Barkley was able to cite an example, brought to him personally, of someone who tried to buy 15 properties under the easy-credit policies of the past several years, believing that prices would always rise. Coleman and Franken gave stock political answers.> > Barkley has worked as a lawyer, a lobbyist, gubernatorial campaign manager, manager of a car wash, and, most recently, a bus driver for Metro Transit, in addition to his Planning Agency job in the Ventura administration. Hes divorced and, yes, has placed a Personals ad looking for love. In other words, the guy eats, breathes, and sweats like the rest of us. > > Norm Coleman has been a lawyer in the state Attorney Generals office and a career politician. Franken has spent his life in the world of Big Entertainment, stoking the fires of political passion. And so, Al Franken gave a perfectly timed delivery, using the word maverick to good comic effect. Coleman smiled a lot, stressing his twin themes of getting the job done and straddling the bipartisan divide. In his most substantive remark, Franken pointed out that Coleman is seeking to chair the Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee which does anything but reach out to Democrats.> > But back to Barkley. He was outstanding at Saturdays debate. > > In the interests of full disclosure, I should point out that I am the 5th District Congressional candidate for the same party as Barkleys, the Independence Party of Minnesota. So take my remarks with a grain of salt.> > > William McGaughey> Harrison, Minneapolis> Info about Bill McGaughey: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/williammcgaughey> > This topic's messages may be viewed at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/1JTHPUQi0aoPl8aAj8vOPd>
sounds a great deal like one of those partisan propagandists I've heard tell of
On Monday, October 13, 2008, at 03:37PM, "CAREY HOWELL"
<acapellaboogie@msn.com> wrote:
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>I always do take your comments with a grain of salt but thanks for the heads
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[MN-Pol] Now for some IP spin> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:03:03 +1300> > I dont
know about you but I thought Dean Barkley was the clear winner in Saturdays
Senatorial debate. He has the life experience to give real answers to the
questions posed.> > In particular, when