Loss of Heritage
From:
Tim Kerr
Date:
Aug 01 02:40 UTC
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Hi Irinka,
If places like the Purchas St lot you are criticising do not suit people
then they will not get enough tenants/owners to make them viable. (As has
happened in Auckland) The 'cost' to those who invested in such projects is
loss of capital. It happens.
Now, if - and I do not think it will happen... If, we suddenly have food
shortages then tin-pot construction like the Purchas St one will quite
easily be torn down.
Whether the place would be converted to cropping or horticultural use would
then be a moot point. The bare land may we be more important (i.e., worth
more) set up as a caravan park...or something...
You cannot grow food to feed the hungry masses while the rates are higher
than the income. Purchase St converted to a food garden would probably come
under that category.
Just because the city suddenly runs out of food (because four days have
passed and no trucks have arrived according to your scenario) it does not
mean that the CCC suddenly reduces the rates to a level able to sustain the
growing of produce on inner city land.
Jo Colgan, a property developer and new contributor to this forum has tried
to explain why some places are pulled down and replaced with less attractive
buildings. In the end, someone wants to use the property. They cannot use it
if rules state it has to be earthquake-proofed, the zone no longer applies
or it has difficult access, window display area, car-parking etc.
To some degree the perceived earthquake danger can act as too strong an
incentive for demolition. The fact is, earthquakes of building-demolishing
intensity are relatively rare. Those that are likely to collapse are -
relatively - small compared to modern earthquake-proof structures. Thus few
people would be in them in the event of an earthquake. Add the possibility
an earthquake occurs at night (50/50 chance of that - closer to 60/50 if you
count the hours from 1800 to 0800 as "night" hours) when few, if any are in
the building... and you get something like a reasonable cost/benefit ratio.
To make the point more clear, some part of Christchurch Hospital is under
strength. If an earthquake occurs the building might (I emphasise MIGHT)
collapse. Those in it may be killed or injured. The cost to replace the
building with a complying one is quite a few million dollars. If NOT
replaced that leaves quite a few million bucks to pick up the pieces from
the rest of a devastated city - a few stuck in hospital may die but
represent far fewer deaths than the many outside the hospital where the
resources would be better spent or invested....(But I bet the hospital will
be replaced)
To preserve heritage building (as Jo Coglan pointed out) you need to have
people who WANT to use them, regulations that allow affordable conversion of
the building into something usable, some sort of visible sign as to the
standard of earthquake proofing so Armageddon-fixated persons can choose to
avoid entering the building, and up-to-date technology that allows
relatively inexpensive up-grading of older buildings.
It is sad to see old building disappear but sometimes it is better to let
old buildings gradually disappear than to have some sort of regulation that
firstly forces owners to retain their old buildings and secondly requires
new buildings to emulate the style of the period being protected. A classic
example of this is Napier. This city has some marvelous art deco
architecture. However, instead of preserving the art deco buildings many
property developers have taken the "theme" on board and have built modern
renditions in the art deco style. To do this they have knocked down pre-art
deco wooden buildings along the Napier foreshore and replaced them with
their architectural art deco interpretations.
Now, you may think I am a little cynical... but have you ever seen an
architect "interpret" anything? Yep, he (it is usually a "he") adds his own
interpretations to a style and ends up incorporating stuff that is not
within the style at all. He produces synthetic abominations finally creating
a fairy-tale fantasy of frivolous fuck-ups that ultimately spread through
the historic area dominating and drowning out the true heritage buildings.
Oh, if Napier is too far away go take a look at Arrowtown. Its original
buildings have been utterly ruined by owners and the tenants - but they
still collect a few tourist pennies.
I do not know what the answer is. Perhaps, if you want to "save" a building
or precinct then it has to be registered as a museum and isolated from any
economic activity.
But the answer is neither regulation nor enforced compliance codes.
Although there are beautiful places in Europe where buildings take on a
delightful uniformity that blends into the surroundings one has to remember
that many of these places are now satellite towns with most economic
activity taking place in nearby grey cities...
It is a worthy topic - anyone any ideas?
Cheers,
Tim Kerr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike and Irinka Britnell" <avoncitybakpak@slingshot.co.nz>
To: <canterburyissues@forums.e-democracy.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Canterbury Issues] Introductions Loss of Heritage
> It's all about the value we place on our heritage of character buildings,
> homes, trees and gardens. Are we not the Garden City?
> We in Christchurch as a community including our city council (for they
> write
> the rules that allow or disallow the building conditions), have lost our
> way
> with no comprehensive overall vision for our city.
>
> We are also loosing our vision for quality of life for our citizens.
> I don't know if anyone has seen the horrific 5 storey, thin concrete
> cubbyhole, with small windows, developement proposal for Purchase St and
> Madras St Block to go from L 3 to L5?. Hundreds of appartments which are
> small and pokey with no proper parking and a tiny recreation facility for
> all. Developements like this have no concern for the food shortage
> problems
> of the future, as in we are going to need more people planting their own
> gardens. ( There is only 3 days supply in our supermarkets if for any
> reason
> the supply trucks were to stop running). What about the quality of life
> for
> the consumer who will have no room for a hobby or recreation. Where will
> the
> children play? Never mind the CCC stipulation for required green space
> per
> ratio of population.
>
> It's a cop out to say ' Unfortunately that is the climate we are in and
> this
> work has to be done...'
> Is that what the Maori say, when they are trying to not only save, but
> also
> rebuild their Heritage?
> I think we could take a leaf out of their book and show some respect for
> our
> ancestors and those who helped build our nation before us.
> Every time you wipe out Heritage, you are wiping our 'our stories'. Like
> the
> lovely history that Brian just shared with us about the lady who helped
> the
> war verterans at the Ozone Hotel. I am also incensed at the lack of
> respect
> and that someone should choose to pull it down. Everything is restorable
> and
> we should be lobbying the CCC and the powers that be to increase the
> budget
> to incentivise people with heritage buildings, to assist them protect
> them.
>
> We have been in the Tourism business for 12 years - They tell us how much
> they love this Garden - Heritage Character City - It is our 'point of
> difference' and uniqueness. We do not want to build ourselves a city that
> just looks like any other modern city.
> How do the countries of Europe get on saving their heritage buildings?
> By not buying in to some psuedo modern shallow philosphy, that will
> continue
> to be churned out by greedy bureacrats, desperate to make their mark, with
> no thought for the future generations.
> Irinka
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Colgan" <joe.colgan@arrowinternational.co.nz>
> To: <canterburyissues@forums.e-democracy.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Canterbury Issues] Introductions
>
>
>> As someone who works in the property development/construction sector, I
>> too lament the loss of historic buildings but the economic reality of
>> refurbishment of buildings such as this is harsh; bringing old buildings
>> to even 1/3rd of code compliance (often 2/3rds) with respect to
>> earthquake strengthenging is usually an onerous and expensive task.
>> Unfortunately that is the climate we are in and this work has to be done
>> if the building is to be safely inhabited.
>> Building owners/developers are faced with costs that make the proposal
>> return less than could be gained by leaving monies deposit, they are
>> mindful of the need to return a profit and maintain their business and
>> the funding difficulties and risk premium placed on undertaking
>> refurbishments with the inherent unknowns that accompany such a venture,
>> force them to seek easier, more fundable, lower risk options and often
>> demolition and new build is the obvious one. That or find a greenfield
>> site.
>> It is not always a free choice.
>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe.
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: graeme stanley [mailto:walk.tologist@paradise.net.nz]
>> Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2008 4:27 p.m.
>> To: Canterbury Public Issues Forum
>> Subject: Re: [Canterbury Issues] Introductions
>>
>>
>> Hi Brian, I am deeply saddened by your news that The Historic Ozone
>> Hotel has been sold and that demolition has been tendered for. This
>> holiday resort hotel was built by Mrs Isabella Hucks in 1914. The hotel
>> has some unique features including distinctive leadlights and prominent
>> fenestration and the dining room was built with special narrow boards
>> for dancing At the end of WW1 Mother Hucks as she was known allowed the
>> Veterans Association to use the hotel for twelve months. It was to be
>> the first invalids soldiers home in New Zealand. There was a disasterous
>> fire in 1922 It was gutted. A strong-minded Mrs Hucks completely rebuilt
>> it and it opened one year after the fire. Mrs Hucks was also the
>> proprietor of The Theatre Royal Cafe and Bellvue Boardinghouse in
>> Gloucester ST. Other unique buildings around here are OZONE DRESSING
>> SHEDS &OZONE STORES with its distinctive dome on cnr. across the road. I
>> am endeavouring to find out more on this story.North Beach was a barren
>> wast
>> eland of sand before 1911 when a loan was raised for road formation
>> Thanks Brian for information and also for webcam from New Brighton
>> Pier.Cheers, Graeme Stanley.
>>
>>
>> graeme stanley
>> ST ALBANS, CHRISTCHURCH
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> Irinka Britnell
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