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Fwd: Re: Bridge relocation From: Leslie Hittner Date: Jun 24 22:48 UTC Short link

I was thinking of that just yesterday. I don't know for sure but
I think that the "underbridge" framing might be less bulky. If
so, it might allow the bridge driving surface to be lower - thus
shortening the access ramps.

It would be prettier too.

-Leslie Hittner

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From: "Bob Sebo" <bobsebo@hbci.com>
To: <winona@forums.e-democracy.org>; "Randy Schenkat"
<schenkat@mail.hbci.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 17:22
Subject: Re: [Winona] Fwd: Re: Bridge relocation


> This is my third post for the day...I'm sorry
>
> Anyone else interested in the idea of a suspension bridge?
:-)
>
> Why not pursue good architecture as well as excellence in
function.
>
> Bob Sebo
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Schenkat" <schenkat@mail.hbci.com>
> To: <winona@forums.e-democracy.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:45 PM
> Subject: [Winona] Fwd: Re: Bridge relocation
>
>
> > What happens to all this wisdom that is being offered in
this thread
> > on Bridge Relocation?   How does this Bridge process
work..who
> > solicits input-- is it the City, County, MDOT, our State
Reps?   How
> > many other ideas are there?    Could one of the local papers
> > synthesize what's been shared to date, write a story about
it,  and
> > ask others to comment?  Could some one from WOD write a
synthesis
> > with a reaction section and subscribers send it on to others
in
> > Winona not subscribed to WOD for their feedback?
> >
> > Other ideas on getting something to happen with all the good
ideas
> > being shared?
> >
> > Randy Schenkat
> >
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> >>To: "Paul Double" <pdouble@hbci.com>,
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> >>Subject: Re: [Winona] Bridge relocation
> >>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:10:42 -0500
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> >>Actually, Paul...I believe (and fervently hope) that MnDOT's
job is to
> >>facilitate the movement of people and goods and services,
not cars and
> >>trucks.  That may seem like splitting hairs given our
current reliance on
> >>cars and trucks, but the fact that surfaced recently that
the state
> >>doesn't
> >>even consider ferry service a form of transit...it reminds
me of how much
> >>we
> >>take for granted that our roads and bridges will always look
like they do
> >>today.  I thnk that would be a mistake.
> >>
> >>I think MnDOT will try to build the cheapest bridge they can
and be done
> >>with it.  This community, however, may well live with the
new bridge for a
> >>century.  We have to fight for the best solution for us.
Something that
> >>comes to mind as we think about a new bridge downtown is
that it will be
> >>much more pedestrian and bicycle friendly there than on
Pelzer or Mankato.
> >>We are hoping for an increase in bike tourism via the new
Wisconsin trail
> >>connection to Latsch Island...just think if we had a 15 foot
bike lane
> >>instead of that agoraphobic (yet arguably simultaneously
claustrohobic)
> >>nightmare of a sidewalk on the existing bridge?  Build it
and they will
> >>come?  I don't know but cycling is a growing tourism sector
and we've got
> >>the country (and the river) to take advantage of it.  Such a
feature could
> >>also accomodate mobility scooters, segways...who knows what
the big thing
> >>will be in 2035...but it would be great if the bridge was
flexible and
> >>multipurpose since it will still be the only one we have.
> >>
> >>That bike pedestrian lane could peel off into Levee Park,
even.  It's not
> >>all just about cost and eminent domain.  We need a bridge
that will work
> >>for
> >>the city...a simple new straight shot bridge doesn't cut it
for me.  With
> >>this project we could remove ALL through truck traffic from
downtown...can
> >>you imagine what that would mean?  It's not like MnDOT
overspends in
> >>Winona...and more than most cities Winona is fracture
critical...if our
> >>bridge breaks the rest of the community goes down with
it...we've learned
> >>that first hand.
> >>
> >>Bob Sebo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>  MNDOT has the responsibility to move vehicles both cars
and trucks
> >>>  efficiently and safe.  I believe that is their primary
job and that is
> >>> why
> >>>  it is important to provide them with input so long as
that input fits
> >>>  their
> >>>  mission.  Cost is part of efficiency and should a
location or design
> >>>  embrace
> >>>  that I would see not logical reason that they would also
agree to keep
> >>> and
> >>>  open mind so that all parties and idea are on the table
for
> >>> consideration.
> >>  >
> >>>  The situation we have now is terrible at best.  The only
thing worse
> >>> was
> >>>  the
> >>>  bridge the current on replaced or the full closure we had
this month.
> >>>  Keep
> >>>  traffic flow, construction cost including eminent domain,
safety,
> >>>  relocation
> >>>  and removal of homes at the top of the list and I think
we will find
> >>> MNDOT
> >>>  to be receptive and supportive.
> >>>
> >>>  Paul Double
> >>>
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