Post in two post limit, reply off list by default

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Williams [mailto:rollacoast@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 29 September 2006 13:02
To: 'Dan Jellinek'
Subject: RE: [BH-Issues] two post limit, reply off list by default (off list
as my allocation has run out)


Dan,
     It's really sad if people are leaving because of the underlying nature
of the group. I don't agree with his first reason for leaving but do agree
with his second reason - although I have no intention of leaving yet.

I am on quite a few mailing lists and this one while being potentially one
of the most useful is not one that I find particularly functional. It's true
that on busy lists it can be annoying to get too much noise but I've only
been on one that became dysfunctional purely on the basis of a few selfish
posters. And that was because of a lack of discipline on behalf of the
moderators (not something this list's owners can be accused of ;0) )

I think we need to drop the rationing altogether and make replies to group
the default. I would also suggest a nice friendlier (local) home page to
entice newbies to the list.

I don't think the world's going to end if we stop rationing. When I look at
the way self-discipline dominates the SCIP list it reinforces my belief that
this is so.

Set up some rules about excessive posting by all means but allow the group
to enforce these rules - it usually works. That's true democracy!

[Will post this to the list later when my ration comes back]

Cheers,
       Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Jellinek [mailto:dan@headstar.com]
Sent: 29 September 2006 12:24
To: BH-Issues
Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] two post limit, reply off list by default


That's a shame Mark, but of course I understand.

The list is experimental, and some of these issues we are aware of but with
no resources other than volunteer time it is proving slow to initiate wider
recruitment (picking up on other issue of not being wide enough yet
geographically), promoting more to councillors, tracking results etc etc.

So at the moment it is ticking along but we do hope to re-energise it when
we get a chance. We did at one point have a series of monthly steering group

meetings open to all when issues like these were discussed, but time is very

tight for most of the founding volunteer members.

Do check again in a few months though, to see if we have shaken things up a
bit!

All the best,
Dan.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Collins" <markinsussex@roughwood.net>
To: "BH-Issues" <bh@forums.e-democracy.org>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [BH-Issues] two post limit, reply off list by default



I have decided to leave the list for two reasons - the level of discussion
is very weak, with little or no evidence that the elected representatives
ever change their opionion or stance as a result of comments, just lurch
into defensiveness.  Secondly the two post limit is limiting in the extreme.
Mark Collins Burwash, Brighton More info:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/brighton-hove/contacts/markcollins

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