On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:17 PM, John Ferman <<email obscured>> wrote:
> I not 5 minutes ago visited the Mpls Ordinances web page and looked up
> Ch 167 in Title 8.5, here is what is there:
>
> CHAPTER 167. RESERVED*
>
> __________
> *Editor's note: Ord. No. 2001-Or-057, 1, adopted April 20, 2001,
> repealed Ch. 167, 167.10--167.50, which pertained to campaign
> contribution limitations. See the Code Comparative Table.
>
> __________
> 167.10--167.50. Reserved.
>
>
> So much for IRV rules and Procedures.
>
> Jack Ferman
> Kingfield Neighborhood
> <email obscured>
>
>
> *****
>
> On May 9, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Anissa Hollingshead wrote:
>
> > On April 18th the Council did enact an ordinance AND issue the RFP.
> > From the Official Proceedings:
> > The ELECTIONS Committee submitted the following reports:
> > ELECTIONS - Your Committee, to whom was referred an ordinance
> > amending Title 8.5 of the Minneapolis Code of Ordinances relating to
> > Elections, by adding a new Chapter 167 relating to Municipal
> > Elections: Rules of Conduct, establishing rules for counting ranked
> > choice voting elections, now recommends that said ordinance be given
> > its second reading for amendment and passage.
> > Adopted 4/18/2008. Yeas, 9; Nays, 4 as follows:
> > Yeas - Remington, Benson, Hodges, Samuels, Gordon, Ostrow, Schiff,
> > Lilligren, Glidden.
> > Nays - Goodman, Hofstede, Colvin Roy, Johnson.
> >
> > The full ordinance follows, and is several pages. The proceedings
> > are available on the city's website, and the link to that meeting
> > follows:
>
http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/council/archives/proceedings/2008/20080418-proceedings.pdf
> > Anissa Hollingshead
> >
> > Hawthorne
> >
> >
> > On 5/8/08, John Ferman <<email obscured>> wrote: Rules and
> > procedures that are not in Ordinances are not law and are
> > not binding. In order for the RFP to be definitive and binding, that
> > document must be specifically cited in Ordinances. There is no such
> > citation; therefore, the ElectionsEquipRFP.pdf is not law and is not
> > binding. Hence, the election judges may determine how to count and
> > assess the Intent of the Voter as State law requires. Here is a
> > question for those with expert knowledge of election law. Suppose the
> > first choice on 5,000 ballots is to a person who is eliminated on the
> > first round. Suppose 1/2 of those ballots 'bullet' vote for the
> > dropped candidate, 1/3 of theose ballots leave all choices from #2 and
> > higher blank. Suppose the remaining 1/6 of those ballots have a 2nd
> > choice for either of the 2 leading candidates. Since 5/6 of 5,000
> > ballots are now invalid, they must be discarded. Suppose the election
> > was for 5 offices and 7 referendem items - the discarded ballots can
> > be counted in those 5 races and 7 issues. The Rules and Procedures
> > Ordinances had better be extremely explicit and cover every imaginable
> > and unimaginable contingency; else you have heard that old refrain -
> > see ya in court.
> >
> >
> > On May 8, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Jeanne Massey wrote:
> >
> > > Jack Ferman:
> > > Last week in an email from CC Glidden readers were directed to the
> > > Mpls Ordinances section of the Mpls web pages to read about the next
> > > election voting procedures. Chapter 2 of Ordinances contains two
> > short
> > > paragraphs: Sec 5A Conduct of Elections and Sec 5B Voting Method.
> > > Neither section details the ballot counting precedures
> > >
> > > Me:
> > > The detailed rules and procedures for conducting Minneapolis' IRV
> > > elections
> > > were adopted by the Minneapolis City Council on April 18th. They
> > are
> > > included in the city's RFP for voting equipment.
> > >
> > > See full RFP and Rules at:
> > > http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/procurement/ElectionsEquipRFP.pdf
> > >
> > > Jeanne Massey
> > > Kingfield
> > > FairVote Minnesota
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> John Ferman
> Kingfield, Minneapolis
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