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gay basing by the Minnesota dept of Transportation employees From: Evelyn Blum Date: Aug 07 20:35 UTC Short link
A friend told me that she has friends (this gets so third party like so I
wanted to find out the truth) that Otto Marin is affiliated with the MN Family
council is that correct?
--- On Thu, 8/7/08, phaedrus <mplsissues@isnt.com> wrote: From: phaedrus <mplsissues@isnt.com> Subject: Re: [Mpls] gay basing by the Minnesota dept of Transportation employees To: "Minneapolis Issues Forum" <mpls@forums.e-democracy.org> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:53 PM > From my understanding the guys had their 35W construction vests on when they did it! Yes i am glad they got them - > i guess construction companies don't care about hiring people with criminal records (and i get that not all people with > criminal records would be of concern) but maybe the community that they go to work in should be concerned with workers > coming to their communities with records of violent crimes? Having been asked the same question as the victim was and having been subjected to a violent attack by three men when I refused to answer them on the grounds that it was none of their business, I certainly find the crime these men committed to be abhorrent. However, I'm kind of concerned about the direction that "don't care about hiring people with criminal records" is taking. The last thing we want is for ex-cons to not be able to find work. Its possible that there was something about this guy that should have flagged him as unsuitable for a construction job, but if there was, his probation officer should have been on it. I'm going on a lot of speculation here, but my guess would be, if there was a failing, it would be in the justice system. What crime had this guy committed? Was his sentence appropriate? Was it punitive or reformative? If it wasn't reformative, isn't it a bit overly optimistic by "the system" to assume that he won't re-offend? If his prior was a violent crime, did he have to go through anger management and did his probation involve not drinking? Was his probation being properly managed? Etc. I don't really have good answers for any of this, but I do know that once we've decided a criminal offender is ready to be released back into society, we need for them to be able to find work. If they haven't been fully released (eg: probation), then our justice system needs to be responsible for imposing the limits on what jobs they can work or taking appropriate steps to provide the necessary oversight for their conditional release. This also came up in another thread when someone expressed the desire to not have ex-cons at a community building function - We should desperately want ex-cons to be involved in positive community building efforts. Unless, of course, we want to decide to start shipping our criminals to Australia or take a "hang-em-all" approach to things. (yikes). - phdrus phaedrus Sheridan, Minneapolis Info about phaedrus: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/jasongoray This topic's messages may be viewed at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2BXgpug2Zarv2FHpSztyuT ----------------------------------------- To post, send your message to: <email obscured> To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on," in subject line and send to: <email obscured> More info about Minneapolis Issues Forum: http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mpls E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules ----------------------------------------- Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the forum manager at <email obscured> before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait.