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Fwd: Re: Bridge relocation From: Bob Sebo Date: Jun 24 22:22 UTC Short link
This is my third post for the day...I'm sorry
Anyone else interested in the idea of a suspension bridge? :-)
Why not pursue good architecture as well as excellence in function.
Bob Sebo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Schenkat" <schenkat@mail.hbci.com> To: <winona@forums.e-democracy.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: [Winona] Fwd: Re: Bridge relocation > What happens to all this wisdom that is being offered in this thread > on Bridge Relocation? How does this Bridge process work..who > solicits input-- is it the City, County, MDOT, our State Reps? How > many other ideas are there? Could one of the local papers > synthesize what's been shared to date, write a story about it, and > ask others to comment? Could some one from WOD write a synthesis > with a reaction section and subscribers send it on to others in > Winona not subscribed to WOD for their feedback? > > Other ideas on getting something to happen with all the good ideas > being shared? > > Randy Schenkat > >>X-Original-To: <email obscured> >>Delivered-To: <email obscured> >>X-Original-To: <email obscured> >>Delivered-To: <email obscured> >>X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at vida.onlinegroups.net >>X-Virus-Scanned: by SpamTitan at hbci.com >>From: "Bob Sebo" <bobsebo@hbci.com> >>To: "Paul Double" <pdouble@hbci.com>, >> <winona@forums.e-democracy.org> >>Subject: Re: [Winona] Bridge relocation >>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:10:42 -0500 >>X-Priority: 3 >>List-Post: mailto:winona@forums.e-democracy.org >>List-Id: winona >>X-BeenThere: <email obscured> >>X-Loop: <email obscured> >>X-Archive-Id: 46OJ3YCgNPAoMp7JRrKBOn >>X-GSUser-Id: bobsebo >>X-pstn-neptune: 5/1/0.20/54 >>X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 CV:99.0000 R:95.9108 >>P:95.9108 M:90.4903 C:99.5902 ) >>X-pstn-settings: 5 (2.0000:2.0000) s cv gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c >>X-pstn-addresses: from <bobsebo@hbci.com> [1761/74] >> >>Actually, Paul...I believe (and fervently hope) that MnDOT's job is to >>facilitate the movement of people and goods and services, not cars and >>trucks. That may seem like splitting hairs given our current reliance on >>cars and trucks, but the fact that surfaced recently that the state >>doesn't >>even consider ferry service a form of transit...it reminds me of how much >>we >>take for granted that our roads and bridges will always look like they do >>today. I thnk that would be a mistake. >> >>I think MnDOT will try to build the cheapest bridge they can and be done >>with it. This community, however, may well live with the new bridge for a >>century. We have to fight for the best solution for us. Something that >>comes to mind as we think about a new bridge downtown is that it will be >>much more pedestrian and bicycle friendly there than on Pelzer or Mankato. >>We are hoping for an increase in bike tourism via the new Wisconsin trail >>connection to Latsch Island...just think if we had a 15 foot bike lane >>instead of that agoraphobic (yet arguably simultaneously claustrohobic) >>nightmare of a sidewalk on the existing bridge? Build it and they will >>come? I don't know but cycling is a growing tourism sector and we've got >>the country (and the river) to take advantage of it. Such a feature could >>also accomodate mobility scooters, segways...who knows what the big thing >>will be in 2035...but it would be great if the bridge was flexible and >>multipurpose since it will still be the only one we have. >> >>That bike pedestrian lane could peel off into Levee Park, even. It's not >>all just about cost and eminent domain. We need a bridge that will work >>for >>the city...a simple new straight shot bridge doesn't cut it for me. With >>this project we could remove ALL through truck traffic from downtown...can >>you imagine what that would mean? It's not like MnDOT overspends in >>Winona...and more than most cities Winona is fracture critical...if our >>bridge breaks the rest of the community goes down with it...we've learned >>that first hand. >> >>Bob Sebo >> >> >> >> >>> MNDOT has the responsibility to move vehicles both cars and trucks >>> efficiently and safe. I believe that is their primary job and that is >>> why >>> it is important to provide them with input so long as that input fits >>> their >>> mission. Cost is part of efficiency and should a location or design >>> embrace >>> that I would see not logical reason that they would also agree to keep >>> and >>> open mind so that all parties and idea are on the table for >>> consideration. >> > >>> The situation we have now is terrible at best. The only thing worse >>> was >>> the >>> bridge the current on replaced or the full closure we had this month. >>> Keep >>> traffic flow, construction cost including eminent domain, safety, >>> relocation >>> and removal of homes at the top of the list and I think we will find >>> MNDOT >>> to be receptive and supportive. >>> >>> Paul Double >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Double >>> >>> Info about Paul Double: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/pauldouble >>> >>> This topic's messages may be viewed at: >>> http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2bwY1RsO9aFkeGUS76J3NF >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> To post, send your message to: <email obscured> >>> To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on," >>> in subject line and send to: <email obscured> >>> >>> More info about Winona Online Democracy: >>> http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/winona >>> >>> E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net >> >> >>Bob Sebo >>East End, Winona >>Info about Bob Sebo: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/bobsebo >> >>This topic's messages may be viewed at: >>http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/46OJ3YCgNPAoMp7JRrKBOn >>----------------------------------------- >> To post, send your message to: <email obscured> >> To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on," >> in subject line and send to: <email obscured> >> >> More info about Winona Online Democracy: >> http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/winona >> >> E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules >>----------------------------------------- >>Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net > > > -- > Randy Schenkat > 1358 Skyline Dr. > Winona, MN 55987 > 507-452-7168 > > Randy Schenkat > > Info about Randy Schenkat: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/randyschenkat > > This topic's messages may be viewed at: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/7qM4aEMqQJTzH7J9JavCbO > ----------------------------------------- > To post, send your message to: <email obscured> > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on," > in subject line and send to: <email obscured> > > More info about Winona Online Democracy: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/winona > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net