City Council Vacancy: Selection Criteria
From:
John Kysylyczyn
Date:
May 15 06:44 UTC
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Vivian makes an interesting point about Karen Schaffer that has been discussed
in political circles in the community.
As far as the unconstitutionality claim goes, nothing I saw seems
unconstitutional to me.
This is why. Anyone was allowed to apply. This time, all applicants who
wanted to be interviewed were interviewed (I say this time because Mr. Klausing
has tried to exclude some from interviews in the past without success on
multiple occasions, and Mr. Klausing got a special stipulation put into the HRA
appointment process where he personally can exclude people he doesn't like from
council interviews for that position).
What I read in that Review article was members expressing their preferences or
opinions. It is their personal opinion, not a policy of the institution. The
only sticking point would be whether their opinions fell into a protected class
situation and/or maybe whether they tried to institute them as a policy of the
institution. I don't have the protected class list in front of me at the
moment, but the city attorney went over the list when I served as mayor. I
believe it included things like gender, race/ethnicity, and I believe age if it
was over a certain number of years, and one or two other things. I do not
believe I have heard any member make comments that fall into these categories.
As a side comment on the civility comment... from my work on dozens of
campaigns ranging from school board to congress across Minnesota, I find that
when you see civility in a governing body, it is because they had the argument
behind closed doors where they actually decided the vote, then they came out
into the public meeting and all vote unanimously, giving this fake sense of
consensus. Yes some of this has occurred in Roseville.
Just ask yourself, why is it that most governing bodies that have meetings on
TV, only televise the meetings where they cast the recorded votes. Then they
create fictional names like study sessions or work sessions for meetings where
issues are discussed, and these meetings are not on TV. At the legislature,
they call these meetings caucuses, conference committees, or negotiations.
Former city manager Steve Sarkozy called up every council member before a
meeting just to make sure that everyone was on board with every issue. If
there was a problem, he would take the item off the agenda and deal with it
behind closed doors where the public couldn't see. During his years it seemed
like a group of best friends at times up there at the dais.
So I guess residents have two choices. Pretty looking meetings where tough
decisions are made behind closed doors or ugly looking meetings in front of the
public eye. Sorry but there is little in between, unless you decide to shrink
the size of elected governing bodies down to one person.
What I always find interesting is that those in this community who I have heard
give speeches decrying debate, disagreement, and incivility at council
meetings, are interestingly silent in expressing their opinions about the
legislature. A $20 billion dollar, yes B as in billion, budget can be passed
on a 68-66 vote in the MN House and they are silent, while they scream at the
top of their lungs if a lousy $30 million, yes m as in only million, budget
isn't passed on a 5-0 vote in Roseville. Hypocrisy at its best.
John M. Kysylyczyn
K Solutions LLC, owner
3083 Victoria Street
Roseville, MN 55113
email: <email obscured>
home office: (651) 484-1384
www.ksolutionsllc.com
Mayor of Roseville, MN 2000-2004
-----Original Message-----
From: Ms Vivian Ramalingam [mailto:<email obscured>]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:05 PM
To: Roseville Issues Forum
Subject: Re: [RIF] City Council Vacancy: Selection Criteria
Roger makes some good points. I'd add to that the
point that, according to the April 22 artice in the
Roseville Review, Mayor Klausing and Councilmember
Pust (both lawyers) stipulate guidelines that are
clearly unconstitutional, excluding lawyers, and
persons who intend to run for a seat in November. Here
are their comments, excerpted from the article:
home : front page : front page
4/22/2008 2:52:00 PM Email this article • Print this
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Council will seek applicants for vacancy
George Fairbanks
news editor
<clip>
Prior to his death, Kough sent his council colleagues
a letter outlining two suggested options for naming
his successor in the event he was unable to complete
his term. . . .
<clip>
The second idea Kough forwarded was to name the
highest vote-getter from the last City Council
election who was not elected. That person would be
Karen Schaffer, who finished behind Council Member Dan
Roe in the November 2006 election.
<clip>
Asked if there was a certain set of skills he's
looking for in an applicant, Klausing said with a
laugh, "They'd have to be a non-lawyer." Klausing,
Pust and Ihlan are attorneys. [My comment: a
candidate's occupation is constitutionally irrelevant!
But lawyers are expected to know the law. A different
occupation does not guarantee a different perspective]
<clip>
Additionally, he said he thinks a candidate should
know how to function well in a group and disagree
politely.
[My comment: I personally would appreciate an
atmosphere of civility during Council meetings, as
mentioned in the Lawyers' Code of Conduct of the State
of Minnesota . . .]
<clip>
Pust added she'd prefer to appoint someone who would
not run in the November election. That situation would
allow the council to avoid the appearance of
"king-making," she said.
[My comment: Interesting that the two stipulations
made by incumbent Councilmembers exclude only one
person under consideration: Karen Schaffer]
-- Vivian Ramalingam
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--- roger hess jr <<email obscured>> wrote:
> isn't it interesting that a city the size of north
> st. paul can get a special election held by july 1st
> after the death of their mayor in april? their city
> manager said " . . . the benefits of continuity and
> stability outweigh the price . . . " of holding a
> special election. too bad roseville couldn't get an
> election up and running as quickly as north st.
> paul.
>
> as a side note, i also noticed that another
> roseville police squad was involved in an accident
> tuesday night. it seems like quite a few of our
> squads have been involved in accidents the last few
> years . . .
>
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