Coleman gives $5,000 raise to director after overspending his budget by $4.2 Million
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Atom Robinson
Date:
May 08 15:30 UTC
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Dean said: "And because of the failure of our government officials (at all
levels) to enforce our immigration laws, you have no idea that the person
five desks over or the person putting on your neighbor's roof is a not US
citizen. Consequently, you have know idea if the reason he is here is to
better his life or to end your life!"
I'm going to have to pop out of lurker status to call BS on this. I'm
pretty sure that citizenship isn't the primary determining factor when it
comes to people wanting to kill me or not. I'm not sure that you, or anyone
I don't know personally is working to better their life or end mine.
Arguing that one the consequence of the other is ham-fisted. And, honestly,
I want the cops to be working catch the bad guys- documented or
undocumented- not "ferreting" out people based on where they're supposed to
be living.
But to bring this back to a St. Paul issue, one of the many valid reasons
police officials support so-called "separation ordinances" is that they
actually promote public safety. I think it's fair to separate public safety
issues from immigration issues.
Furthermore, I want my neighbors to feel free to call the cops if they see
me or my wife in trouble- whether or not they're citizens. I want them to
know that they're going to get help if they're in a bad situation. I don't
think you're suggesting there should be two levels of public safety
enforcement- one for folks who have the right paperwork and another for
those who don't. That's not an acceptable way to run a community.
You know, Dean, you don't trust your neighbors, you don't trust the people
putting on your neighbors' roof, you don't trust the people 5 desks away,
you don't trust the police or the people at all levels of government.
When it's time to form your militia, how do you know who's going to be on
your team?
-atom
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Dean Sheldon <<email obscured>>
wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I do not cower in my basement. In fact I try to embrace all life can offer.
> But I try to be always alert. I am prepared. I do keep my musket loaded. I
> keep my powder dry. I keep my cellar stocked. And I expect my neighbors to
> be similarly prepared. Together we are the militia that will protect
> ourselves, our families, our neighborhood, and our city. In an instance of
> crisis, the police are not the ones I will depend on.
>
> Stating it is better to fight a war on the enemy's soil rather than our own
> is not insulting to anyone. There are many good people working in all levels
> of our governments. I know my son was fully competent when he served in
> Iraq. However based on recent history, I certainly question their combined
> abilities. These include such national examples as the failure to prevent or
> mitigate 9/11, entering into an undeclared war based on premises that were
> totally wrong, or an absolute failure at all levels surrounding hurricane
> Katrina. I could elaborate and list many more but I am supposed to keep this
> local to St. Paul.
>
> I know since 9/11 our city officials have not made a focused priority to
> ferret out ALL illegal aliens, arrest them, detain them, and deport them out
> of our city. In fact, it is my understanding our local police still are
> specifically forbidden to question the US citizenship of those they
> encounter. We won't even require a photo ID in order for someone to vote.
> But by gory, now we'll pull you over and fine you $50 if you aren't wearing
> that seatbelt! You are right in that any attack will be mounted from within.
> And because of the failure of our government officials (at all levels) to
> enforce our immigration laws, you have no idea that the person five desks
> over or the person putting on your neighbor's roof is a not US citizen.
> Consequently, you have know idea if the reason he is here is to better his
> life or to end your life! Don't forget one of the terrorists associated with
> 9/11 was taught how to fly a jet plane right here in the Twin Cities right
> along side a classroom
> full of others wanting to be pilots.
>
> Until this situation is corrected, I don't feel I owe our city officials
> any apology.
>
> Dean Sheldon
>
> SAPark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Schoenberg
> To: St. Paul Issues Forum
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [SPIF] Coleman gives $5,000 raise to director after
> overspending his budget by $4.2 Million
>
>
> Dean,
> I guess we should just give up on life and cower in our basements in fear.
> Keep your guns ready, thar'r vamints out thar.
>
> Your post is an insult to all St. Paulites. We deserve an apology from you
>
> Dean Sheldon
> St. Anthony Park, St. Paul
> Info about Dean Sheldon: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/deansheldon
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