Should Brookes students be allowed to have cars?
From:
David Clover
Date:
Aug 11 11:50 UTC
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At one time, Oxford University Proctors regulated the use of bicycles by
licensing and registration - they had to have a number allocated by the
Proctors and painted on the mudguard - I think they also needed a special
light. I can vaguely remember this being in force in the early 1970s, though
it might be when it stopped.
Some precedent there perhaps? I can't unfortunately locate any reference to
the old Oxford University statute. But the issue was the same - the
University authorities trying to manage, if not actually control, something
that had an impact on others.
In my road, there is a multiple occupation house near us with 5 people and 5
cars. This means that cars are parked all over the place, sometimes flouting
the 'permissive parking' lines obstructing driveways, or just parking on
yellow lines. There's no attempt by anyone to regulate this by fixed penalty
notice from the Council side, despite the fact that you now have to pay to
leave a car on the street. Some of them have indeed paid, but the issue
isn't so much that it's students, but that such multi-occupation allows this
problem to build up. Agreed that the payment scheme means that they have to
pay a lot for the 3rd, 4th and 5th cars, but if they share it out between
them, it's not so bad. Phoning Control Plus has little effect, and the
parking lines are now so poorly marked out and confusing that I suspect that
it's not enforceable anyway.
What everyone is saying is that there's a problem for everybody in parking,
and that students are causing it because they mostly live in
multi-occupation homes, and often in areas where there isn't much room on
the street anyway. So the evil is muti-occupation, and anything that Brookes
(sorry - nearly wrote 'Poly' - sorry - see next para) can do to make that
less intrusive by supplying accommodation, transport or parking facilities
together with advice to students on the best way to behave responsibly with
their cars in the locality would be welcomed - and they probably do.
When I was at the Poly 1970-74 - guess what - I brought my car (1937 Austin
7 Ruby) to Oxford and kept it at Cotuit Hall, and then later used it to
drive from a rented multi-occupation cottage in Tackley to the campus every
day - and later from Wheatley. So I do know how it feels to be discriminated
against as a student motorist, I did need it to get about, it was parked
safely at Cotuit for two years and didn't cause annoyance, and the issue
about parking and residents was just as lively then as now. Anyone else have
a firm foot in both camps I wonder? "Let them that are without motoring sin
cast the first stones" etc.
David Clover
Kennett Road
-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Magnay [mailto:nigel.magnay@gmail.com]
Sent: 11 August 2008 10:56
To: Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum
Subject: Re: [HMNF] Should Brookes students be allowed to have cars?
Thinking back to my student days, I don't think Halls were overpriced at
all, given the level of service that they gave. But the point is, it's a
free market - what matters to me might not matter to you - and as far as I'm
aware, Brookes doesn't require that students live in their halls; do you're
sums, if you think you're better off in the private sector, do that.
A word of caution about those 'private halls' - they tend to look
superficially like a good deal, but do have a habit of clawing back huge
sums in electricity and heating bills.
Anyway, the OP was asking about cars, and whether the situation had
improved, and whether there should be any restrictions.
Personally, I don't have a problem, so I would tend towards a 'no'. BUT, I
find the argument against that it would create a "two tier" system
inconsistent. There already *is* a 2-tier system; one that means in our
house, we pay the thick end of 2000 in council tax - part of which is to
cover 'road maintenance', and the student HMO up the road with 4 cars pays
0. So I don't think an argument-by-equality really flies. I also find it
faintly hilarious that Andrew Smith, a Labour MP of all people, comes round
to the idea that a kind of per-capita tax might help to pay for the
additional service burden placed by HMO housing. Oh how things change.
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Jock Coats <
<email obscured>> wrote:
> Yes, but you are still comparing apples and oranges, Julia. You
> cannot conclude that the typical Brookes student would make the same
> choice as someone coming on a commercial course in high season and
> paying a third more again for their room than the top semester time
> price - but still half as much say as a local B&B. In fact, there are
> halls that will cost only just on half what they are currently paying
> during the academic year, which I will still be superior accommodation
> to most private student lets.
>
> Of course, were Brookes not to seek to maximise their income from
> summer vacation lets by charging commercial comparable rates the
> prices would be higher for everyone during the academic year. I would
> certainly expect to do the same for my co-operative hall of residence
> idea. But it's not like we are pricing ourselves out of the market
> over summer either. We are full for most of July and August. I
> notice that for graduation week they charge even more per room - half
> as much again.
>
> I also notice that comparable accommodation without any of the
> additional benefits of halls can go for 118 per week ex bills:
> http://tinyurl.com/6msmg8
>
> Jock
>
> On 10 Aug 2008, at 19:51, Julia Gasper wrote:
>
> > I have checked the details about the student rentals, and they are
> > adamant that they were charged 161.37 per week to live in a hall of
> > residence called Clive Booth in the Marston Road within the past
> > month, at the height of summer, when the heating bills were surely
> > minimal. This was for a single room and did not include any food, or
> > other extras, not even internet. Multiply that by four and you get
> > 664 per month. They are mostly students who are going to start
> > degree courses at Brookes in September and they have all now moved
> > into private accommodation, where they can get even the broadband
> > cheaper.
>
> --
> Jock Coats
> Warden's Flat 1e, J Block Morrell Hall, OXFORD, OX3 0FF local rate:
> 084 JOCKOXFD (56256933) skype:jock.coats?call
> <email obscured> http://jockcoats.org.uk
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