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Fwd: Re: Bridge relocation From: Bob Sebo Date: Jun 25 00:09 UTC Short link
Les...I think Chris just dissed us...lol
Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Hittner" <<email obscured>> To: "Bob Sebo" <<email obscured>>; <<email obscured>>; "Randy Schenkat" <<email obscured>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Winona] Fwd: Re: Bridge relocation >I was thinking of that just yesterday. I don't know for sure but > I think that the "underbridge" framing might be less bulky. If > so, it might allow the bridge driving surface to be lower - thus > shortening the access ramps. > > It would be prettier too. > > -Leslie Hittner > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Sebo" <<email obscured>> > To: <<email obscured>>; "Randy Schenkat" > <<email obscured>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 17:22 > Subject: Re: [Winona] Fwd: Re: Bridge relocation > > >> This is my third post for the day...I'm sorry >> >> Anyone else interested in the idea of a suspension bridge? > :-) >> >> Why not pursue good architecture as well as excellence in > function. >> >> Bob Sebo >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randy Schenkat" <<email obscured>> >> To: <<email obscured>> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:45 PM >> Subject: [Winona] Fwd: Re: Bridge relocation >> >> >> > What happens to all this wisdom that is being offered in > this thread >> > on Bridge Relocation? How does this Bridge process > work..who >> > solicits input-- is it the City, County, MDOT, our State > Reps? How >> > many other ideas are there? Could one of the local papers >> > synthesize what's been shared to date, write a story about > it, and >> > ask others to comment? Could some one from WOD write a > synthesis >> > with a reaction section and subscribers send it on to others > in >> > Winona not subscribed to WOD for their feedback? >> > >> > Other ideas on getting something to happen with all the good > ideas >> > being shared? >> > >> > Randy Schenkat >> > >> >>X-Original-To: <email obscured> >> >>Delivered-To: <email obscured> >> >>X-Original-To: <email obscured> >> >>Delivered-To: <email obscured> >> >>X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at vida.onlinegroups.net >> >>X-Virus-Scanned: by SpamTitan at hbci.com >> >>From: "Bob Sebo" <<email obscured>> >> >>To: "Paul Double" <<email obscured>>, >> >> <<email obscured>> >> >>Subject: Re: [Winona] Bridge relocation >> >>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:10:42 -0500 >> >>X-Priority: 3 >> >>List-Post: mailto:<email obscured> >> >>List-Id: winona >> >>X-BeenThere: <email obscured> >> >>X-Loop: <email obscured> >> >>X-Archive-Id: 46OJ3YCgNPAoMp7JRrKBOn >> >>X-GSUser-Id: bobsebo >> >>X-pstn-neptune: 5/1/0.20/54 >> >>X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 CV:99.0000 R:95.9108 >> >>P:95.9108 M:90.4903 C:99.5902 ) >> >>X-pstn-settings: 5 (2.0000:2.0000) s cv gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c >> >>X-pstn-addresses: from <<email obscured>> [1761/74] >> >> >> >>Actually, Paul...I believe (and fervently hope) that MnDOT's > job is to >> >>facilitate the movement of people and goods and services, > not cars and >> >>trucks. That may seem like splitting hairs given our > current reliance on >> >>cars and trucks, but the fact that surfaced recently that > the state >> >>doesn't >> >>even consider ferry service a form of transit...it reminds > me of how much >> >>we >> >>take for granted that our roads and bridges will always look > like they do >> >>today. I thnk that would be a mistake. >> >> >> >>I think MnDOT will try to build the cheapest bridge they can > and be done >> >>with it. This community, however, may well live with the > new bridge for a >> >>century. We have to fight for the best solution for us. > Something that >> >>comes to mind as we think about a new bridge downtown is > that it will be >> >>much more pedestrian and bicycle friendly there than on > Pelzer or Mankato. >> >>We are hoping for an increase in bike tourism via the new > Wisconsin trail >> >>connection to Latsch Island...just think if we had a 15 foot > bike lane >> >>instead of that agoraphobic (yet arguably simultaneously > claustrohobic) >> >>nightmare of a sidewalk on the existing bridge? Build it > and they will >> >>come? I don't know but cycling is a growing tourism sector > and we've got >> >>the country (and the river) to take advantage of it. Such a > feature could >> >>also accomodate mobility scooters, segways...who knows what > the big thing >> >>will be in 2035...but it would be great if the bridge was > flexible and >> >>multipurpose since it will still be the only one we have. >> >> >> >>That bike pedestrian lane could peel off into Levee Park, > even. It's not >> >>all just about cost and eminent domain. We need a bridge > that will work >> >>for >> >>the city...a simple new straight shot bridge doesn't cut it > for me. With >> >>this project we could remove ALL through truck traffic from > downtown...can >> >>you imagine what that would mean? It's not like MnDOT > overspends in >> >>Winona...and more than most cities Winona is fracture > critical...if our >> >>bridge breaks the rest of the community goes down with > it...we've learned >> >>that first hand. >> >> >> >>Bob Sebo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> MNDOT has the responsibility to move vehicles both cars > and trucks >> >>> efficiently and safe. I believe that is their primary > job and that is >> >>> why >> >>> it is important to provide them with input so long as > that input fits >> >>> their >> >>> mission. Cost is part of efficiency and should a > location or design >> >>> embrace >> >>> that I would see not logical reason that they would also > agree to keep >> >>> and >> >>> open mind so that all parties and idea are on the table > for >> >>> consideration. >> >> > >> >>> The situation we have now is terrible at best. The only > thing worse >> >>> was >> >>> the >> >>> bridge the current on replaced or the full closure we had > this month. >> >>> Keep >> >>> traffic flow, construction cost including eminent domain, > safety, >> >>> relocation >> >>> and removal of homes at the top of the list and I think > we will find >> >>> MNDOT >> >>> to be receptive and supportive. >> >>> >> >>> Paul Double >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Paul Double >> >>> >> >>> Info about Paul Double: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/pauldouble >> >>> >> >>> This topic's messages may be viewed at: >> >>> > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2bwY1RsO9aFkeGUS76J3NF >> >>> ----------------------------------------- >> >>> To post, send your message to: > <email obscured> >> >>> To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or > "digest on," >> >>> in subject line and send to: > <email obscured> >> >>> >> >>> More info about Winona Online Democracy: >> >>> http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/winona >> >>> >> >>> E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules >> >>> ----------------------------------------- >> >>> Technical assistance thanks to our friends at > http://OnlineGroups.Net >> >> >> >> >> >>Bob Sebo >> >>East End, Winona >> >>Info about Bob Sebo: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/bobsebo >> >> >> >>This topic's messages may be viewed at: >> >>http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/46OJ3YCgNPAoMp7JRrKBOn >> >>----------------------------------------- >> >> To post, send your message to: > <email obscured> >> >> To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or > "digest on," >> >> in subject line and send to: > <email obscured> >> >> >> >> More info about Winona Online Democracy: >> >> http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/winona >> >> >> >> E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules >> >>----------------------------------------- >> >>Technical assistance thanks to our friends at > http://OnlineGroups.Net >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Randy Schenkat >> > 1358 Skyline Dr. >> > Winona, MN 55987 >> > 507-452-7168 >> > >> > Randy Schenkat >> > >> > Info about Randy Schenkat: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/randyschenkat >> > >> > This topic's messages may be viewed at: >> > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/7qM4aEMqQJTzH7J9JavCbO >> > ----------------------------------------- >> > To post, send your message to: > <email obscured> >> > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest > on," >> > in subject line and send to: <email obscured> >> > >> > More info about Winona Online Democracy: >> > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/winona >> > >> > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules >> > ----------------------------------------- >> > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at > http://OnlineGroups.Net >> >> >> Bob Sebo >> East End, Winona >> Info about Bob Sebo: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/bobsebo >> >> This topic's messages may be viewed at: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/5fEfV3H4wpUCkCSQwBXbHy >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post, send your message to: <email obscured> >> To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest > on," >> in subject line and send to: <email obscured> >> >> More info about Winona Online Democracy: >> http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/winona >> >> E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules >> ----------------------------------------- >> Technical assistance thanks to our friends at > http://OnlineGroups.Net > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1515 - Release Date: > 6/23/2008 7:16 PM >