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From: Elizabeth Ike <<email obscured>>
To: chivespa1 <<email obscured>>
Cc: Central Ohio Regional Issues Forum <<email obscured>>
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 9:38:50 AM
Subject: Re: [CORIF] Historic Preservation --Is it necessary?
It always amazes me to see how these issues are so deeply intertwined!
It makes me think; as a Columbus native, I have a modest grasp of the
historic preservation issue within the city, but I am not familiar with how
this issue might impact some of the outlying communities (like older suburbs
and small towns in the region with a historic 'main street'). Certainly the
land value gradient in these communities must be less drastic than the one
in Columbus or other bigger cities, but relative to the size of these
potentially smaller municipal budgets, it seems like these governments would
still have a difficult time funding preservation programs. But then the
need for social programs may be greater within central cities, so that
practical budget needs might outweigh aesthetics and history.
Does any one have any direct experience or insight about how smaller
communities differ from cities on this issue?
Does your town or suburb have a preserved 'main street' and if so, why
and/or how does it work?
Is it more challenging to preserve historic structures and character in the
central cities? If so, why?
Best,
Liz
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:47 AM, chivespa1 <<email obscured>> wrote:
> I don't think it is useful to get into an argument of This as opposed to
> That.
>
> Historic Preservation benefits the community at large by retaining
> historically significant structures and in some cases maintaining the
> stylistic elements of that period within a neighborhood or community. The
> effect is that residents and visitors have something beautiful to admire,
> feel a sense of pride and learn from. Overtly this benefits the people who
> can afford to own property as it raises the value of their property. The
> other side of that is that these same people are the ones who have to pay
> for maintence, etc. which can be a substantial cost on a historic home.
> Slate roofs which are common on historic properties in Central Ohio cost
> upwards of 8 times the price of an asphalt shingle roof.
>
> Most historic preservation doesn't require tax right offs by the city.
> Columbus has some very comprehensive HP legislation based on neighborhoods
> (German Village being the most stringent) and none of it is based on tax
> breaks. Unfortunately there are structures (such as the Firestone House)
> that fall outside of the current legeslation due to their location, etc. I
> think it is valid to fight for these structures wherever they may be but
> also believe that HP should come from a desire of the community to preserve
> important structures and not through tax breaks.
>
> As for the needy in our community I agree we shouldn't give an across the
> board tax break for anything that would affect our ability to pay for their
> services either. I would say that however poor I've been (which has been
> substantial at times in my life) I never wanted to live in an city that
> didn't appreciate beauty.
>
> Andrew
> http://elephantsonbicycles.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Nick Bates <<email obscured>>
> To: Central Ohio Regional Issues Forum <<email obscured>>
> Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 7:44:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [CORIF] Historic Preservation --Is it necessary?
>
>
> I am all in preserving historical sites around town. History is part of
> our
> culture, however, before investing hundreds of thousands if not millions
> into preserving historic buildings I need to know.
> 1. what will the building be used for?
> 2. Is the plan a revitalization plan for a neighborhood for residential to
> prevent new suburbs from being built?
>
> My only concern as we look at preservation is that people are suffering
> right now in Columbus from evictions, foreclosure, homelessness, inadequate
> and unsafe housing etc. Investing through tax breaks or repair programs
> through the city and county make me feel as if we are providing welfare
> services to benefit the rich. Why invest in updating the electricity in
> one
> building on E. Broad street when for the same cost we could update the
> electricity in homes a few blocks away that have citizens living in.
>
> I do not know the history of the building and exactly what it will be used
> for,(my comments are not directed at the specific address mentioned but
> larger philosophical questions) but I have seen in Cleveland a lot of
> historical renovations that have taken old run down buildings and turned
> into wealthy housing and also into office space that primarily benefits the
> upper socio-economic levels when for the same cost, we could have helped a
> lot of low-income and moderate income persons improve their housing.
>
>
>
> > Hi all, This is my first time posting on the group. I wanted to make
> everyone
> > aware of the imminent demolition scheduled for 1266 E. Broad Street,
> otherwise
> > known as the Firestone Mansion. This building, is listed as a
> contributing
> > element to the architectural integrity of the E. Broad Street National
> > Register Historic District and is one of only two Second Renaissance
> Revival
> > buildings left in the City. Several entities collaborated and tried to
> work
> > with the owner of the property to develop strategies to save the
> building.
> > I've attached a Press Release from the Columbus Landmarks Foundation if
> anyone
> > wants to read more about it. This leads me to the following question and
> topic
> > for discussion: Is there more that can be done here in Columbus to help
> > instill a feeling of history and hence an obligation to save unique
> historic
> > properties or historic neighborhoods from demise? Do you feel this an
> integral
> > part of creating an identity for Columbus? Do you feel this is a necessar
> > y step when seeking to create more sustainable neighborhoods? When
> living in
> > New Orleans, my friends bought a house needingrenovation and theyreceived
> a
> > tax break from the City when they updated things like the electrical.Is
> it
> > feasible/possible tooffer incentives like this in Columbus? Though the
> State,
> > MPO, or City level? Canwe engage large corporations/philanthropers to
> > understand the benefits of preserving historic properties?Different
> viewpoints
> > on thistopic would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Heather Bowden
> > Central Ohio Regional Issues Forum now contains the following file
> >
> > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/file/2394-2008-05-08T040922Z
> > Name: Demolition of 1266 E. Broad
> > St. Release.pdf
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> >
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> > Heather Bowden
> >
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