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roseville city council election From: John Kysylyczyn Date: Nov 21 17:09 UTC Short link

With the election over with, I am sure that some would like to forget that a
wealthy developer has now heavily invested in three of the 5 city council
members campaign efforts as of 2009.  Some would also probably like to forget
that the size of this developers investment could have purchased a home in some
local communities.

Some people have asked me off forum how the community can deal with this
problem.  Well you have to take a look at it from two perspectives.  One way is
to eliminate the activity that is occurring.  The second way, and most often
the only legal way available, is to fight fire with fire so to speak.  In other
words, you often can't prohibit certain types of activities because they are
categorized as free speech, but you can do other things to make their
activities less influential.

The obvious ways is for government to get involved in the form of publishing
voter guides like they do in several states.  My grandparents in Nevada get a
booklet every election cycle that has information supplied by all the
candidates and pro and con commentary on ballot issues.  Federal Way,
Washington, now home to former city manager Neal Beets, has voter guides too.
(as a side note, the voters came very close to eliminating Neal's job just a
few months ago at the ballot box)

We can also look to our own state as an example of how government can put
taxpayer money into these elections.  No one can argue that having the campaign
subsidy and $50 refund program has created contested elections in every
legislative district statewide, even in districts that one party has sole
control like the DFL in Minneapolis or the GOP is SW Minnesota.  In states that
do not have this program, it isn't unusual to have a situation where many if
not a majority of legislative seats have no challenger.

But there are additional options that are available, which is why I am writing
today.  Just this morning, I ran across my copies of the books called "Local
Campaign Finance Reform, Case Studies, Innovations, and Model Legislation" and
"Addendum to Local Campaign Finance Reform, Additional Case Studies" both
published by the National Civic League and supported by the Ford Foundation.

Both these books are available at the NCL website.
http://ncl.org/publications/descriptions/local_campaign_finance.html
http://ncl.org/publications/descriptions/local_campaign_finance_add.html

They look at ideas that have been used in cities located in Utah, North
Carolina, Colorado, Arkansas, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas,
California, and Ohio.  Again, these are city programs, not state programs.

I thought that some of these ideas used by other cities were good, and others
disastrous.  But no one says that you have to incorporate a particular cities
plan in its entirety.  I thought the material was valuable in getting a
discussion started as to options and ideas that are available.

As a side note, I certainly do not endorse every publication from this
organization, like their 1950's backward thinking Model Cities Charter, but I
highly recommend reading both of their Local Campaign Finance Reform books.  I
have found them to be very informative, strong on facts and light on opinions,
so the reader can come to their own conclusions.

John M. Kysylyczyn
K Solutions LLC, owner
3083 Victoria Street
Roseville, MN  55113
email: <email obscured>
home office: (651) 484-1384

www.ksolutionsllc.com
Mayor of Roseville, MN  2000-2004

Family Dollar store on Lexington Ave From: Sarah Brodt Lenz Date: Nov 17 15:02 UTC Short link

Family Dollar is not a real dollar store.? Very few things are an actual
dollar, just priced in whole dollar increments.? I cruised the aisles and
noticed the only thing that was a substantially better deal than the nearby
recently reopened Rainbow was the Purex laundry detergent.
S Lenz
Roseville

Family Dollar store on Lexington Ave From: J.O. Date: Nov 17 05:33 UTC Short link

I noticed last night that a Family Dollar store has opened in the Lexington
strip mall near Larpenteur.

Just wondering if anyone has an opinion on this.  Thanks.

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Sharing Photos via the Forum From: Steven Clift Date: Nov 04 14:06 UTC Short link

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Roseville Open Meeting violation makes IPAD newsletter From: John Kysylyczyn Date: Nov 03 15:49 UTC Short link

The recent Roseville City Council violation of the Open Meeting law made the
quarterly newsletter published by the Information Policy Analysis Division
of the Department of Administration, State of Minnesota.  These are the
people who render opinions on complaints concerning Open Meeting violations
and Public Information request issues.  The Roseville case was one of six
highlighted statewide!



Congratulations Roseville City Council!



The link to their pdf version of the newsletter can be found at the link
below.  Look on page 3, under the heading 08-015 in the upper left-hand
corner.



http://www.ipad.state.mn.us/newsletters/2008/1008fyi.pdf

Outside Interference in Roseville Civic Affairs From: Megan Dushin Date: Nov 03 03:36 UTC Short link

This thread should be in the forum itself (it appears not to be when I just
checked). That way it's recorded for those who sign up to join the forum
after this email was sent. John, I'd copy and paste it myself, but I
thought perhaps it's up to you.

Either way, the media ought to catch wind of this. People ought to know, in
my humble opinion. Not to demonize the Commers' necessarily, but just to
get the word out, let it be known.

M



On Nov 2 2008, John M. Kysylyczyn wrote:

> To respond to Gary's question as to who Permit number 7732 belongs to,
> and who is behind these mailings for Jeff Johnson, I have the answer and
> the details that should interest some people:
>
> Permit 7732 is registered to Capitol Direct, located on COMMERS DRIVE in
> Eagan, and formerly owned by Governor Tim Pawlenty communications person
> TIM COMMERS, who is a relative of Roseville Properties owner DANNY
> COMMERS. If I recall correctly, Tim is Danny's brother's son. Danny
> Commers built the development that Capitol Direct is located in on the
> corner of Dodd Road and 55 in Eagan.
>
> Capitol Direct is now owned by State Senator Chris Gerlach, Republican
> from Apple Valley. Capitol Direct was formerly owned by Pat Anderson,
> former Republican State Auditor.
>
>Capitol Direct specializes in Republican mailings.
>
> It was Tim Commers and Capitol Direct that arranged the $50,000+ worth of
> expenditures for Klausing two years ago. It was funded by Roseville
> Properties owner Danny Commers.
>
>John M. Kysylyczyn
>K Solutions LLC, owner
>3083 Victoria Street
>Roseville, MN  55113
>email: <email obscured>
>home office: (651) 484-1384
>
>www.ksolutionsllc.com
>Mayor of Roseville, MN  2000-2004
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Grefenberg [mailto:<email obscured>]
>Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:39 PM
>To: John M. Kysylyczyn; 'Jeff Johnson'; 'Roseville Issues Forum'
>Cc: 'Jeff Johnson'
>Subject: Re: [RIF] Outside Interference in Roseville Civic Affairs
>
>I'd like to add my direct experience to what seems to be going on again in
>Roseville local politics.
>
> I received a phone call this morning from a caller who encouraged me to
> vote for Jeff Johnson as "the most qualified person running for the
> Roseville City Council". I interrupted his script to ask for his name; he
> refused to identify himself. I assumed from the background noise (hearing
> other callers talking) that he was calling from a phone bank, so my
> second question was who was paying for these calls. He ignored my
> question and attempted to continue his script which, by the way, was
> almost identical to a second glossy flyer for Jeff Johnson I received in
> the mail today.
>
>I finally interrupted and asked which political party Jeff Johnson belonged
>to, assuming that only a political party could afford a phone bank for a
>local city council race.  He responded "Republican".
>
>I then called a Roseville friend active in Roseville civic
>affair and whom I know is supporting Johnson, and told him of my phone
>contact, including the caller's response to my question on Jeff Johnson's
>political affiliation. He volunteered that there was also a mailing going
>out to many Rosevillian homes supporting Jeff Johnson which Jeff had not
>paid for or authorized (professionally-produced 'little blond blue-eyed boy
>in a field of fallen autumn leaves').  My friend also said he would call
>Jeff about my phone
>call, which I encouraged him to do.
>
> Since this morning I have talked to three other registered Roseville
> voters who also received these call (names available upon request). They
> all reported basically the same message--vote for Jeff Johnson for City
> Council. One recepient asked if the caller was a Roseville resident; the
> caller responded no and then abruptly terminated the call.
>
> The point is that these "fradulent telephone calls" are not attempting to
> label Jeff Johnson a Republican. ( I trust Jeff's e-mail that he is "not
> a member of an organized party.") That inaccurate information was
> supplied me only in response to my persistent questioning. None of the
> other three call recepients were told Jeff is a Republican.
>
> The issue is not Jeff's political affiliation, it is that someone with
> big bucks who doesn't have the guts to tell us his name is trying to
> influence a Roseville election. This does sound all too familiar to what
> happened two years ago in other Roseville city council races, as John
> Kysylyczn has reported in the Roseville Forum (see below). And it doesn't
> take much of an imagination to come up with the possible suspects who
> believe they have enough of vested interest in the outcomes of a Rosville
> city council race to spend the thousands of dollars to finance this
> clandestine campaign.
>
> (In fact, one way Jeff Johnson could find out who is behind this campaign
> is to find out who paid for St. Paul US Postal Permit #7732, the postage
> for both anonymous mass mailings.)
>
>This afternoon I received the second and different glossy mailing ('small
>boy
>walking a dog'), again without a disclaimer as to who paid for it, but with
>a "Learn more about Jeff at" his web site.  I accept that Jeff Johnson is
>not be behind these expensive mass mailings, but it would certainly add to
>the transparency of Roseville civic engagement if the committee or
>individual who can afford these phone banks and mass mailings would own up
>to it before the election.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Kysylyczyn"
> <<email obscured>> To: "'Jeff Johnson'"
> <<email obscured>>; "'Roseville Issues Forum'"
> <<email obscured>> Cc: "'Jeff Johnson'"
> <<email obscured>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:15 PM Subject:
> Re: [RIF] Fraudulent telephone calls
>
>
>> After making a few phone calls to some of my political connections
>> outside of Roseville, and receiving Jeff's reply a few minutes ago, I
>> believe I have the answer to what is going on.
>>
>> First the facts:
>>
>> There are phone calls being made by live operators to every household in
>> Roseville asking them to vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.
>>
>> There was also a postcard that was mailed out and received by households
>> yesterday asking people to vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.  This
>> was a different card than the one mailed out by Jeff himself.
>>
>> If you question the live operators who are doing the calling, you will
>> probably find that they work for a Republican telemarketing firm that is
>> probably located in Saint Cloud.
>>
>> What is going on?
>>
>> The cost of this telemarketing firm is probably $10,000 to $25,000.  The
>> cost of the extra mailer probably is $5,000 to $10,000.
>>
>> This is the exact same thing that was done for Craig Klausing in the last
>> election by developer Danny Commers, who is estimated to have spent over
>> $50,000 to get Klausing reelected.
>>
>> Common sense says that Commers is funding this exact same kind of
>> campaign for Jeff Johnson in the hopes that he get elected on Tuesday.
>>
>> So the question is did Jeff know about this or authorize this?  Well only
>> Jeff would know this answer, and we would have to take him at his word.
>> It isn't like he can prove it one way or the other.  Legally, Jeff should
>> NOT know about independent expenditures like this.
>>
>> The next question is whether this kind of independent expenditure
>> activity is legal. The answer is yes.
>>
>> The last question is whether it is legal to do this kind of stuff without
>> disclosing who is paying for it?  The answer is that after a court
>> decision about a year or so ago, the answer is yes, you can remain
>> anonymous as the donor in situations where you are spending your personal
>> money to get out your opinion.  If you operate in a committee environment
>> or are accepting donations from others to do this, then the rules change.
>> But if you spend your own money only to do these kind of things, then it
>> is perfectly legal.
>>
>> So I would guess that a multi-millionaire Roseville developer like Danny
>> Commers, over at Twin Lakes, probably has the personal assets to do this
>> independently on their own within the law.  Again, common sense says that
>> he is attempting to buy this election like he purchased the mayor's
>> election two years ago.
>>
>> The election two years involved something on the order of $75,000 spent
>> by or for Klausing and $5,000 by or for Ihlan. Of course Klausing won in
>> a scenario like this.
>>
>> Is Jeff Johnson working in cahoots with developer Danny Commers?
>> Unfortunately for Jeff, there is no way he can prove this one way or the
>> other.
>>
>>
>> John M. Kysylyczyn
>> K Solutions LLC, owner
>> 3083 Victoria Street
>> Roseville, MN  55113
>> email: <email obscured>
>> home office: (651) 484-1384
>>
>> www.ksolutionsllc.com
>> Mayor of Roseville, MN  2000-2004
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Johnson [mailto:<email obscured>]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 11:32 AM
>> To: Roseville Issues Forum
>> Cc: Jeff Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [RIF] Fraudulent telephone calls
>> Importance: High
>>
>>> RIF Forum Members:
>>>
>>> It has come to my attention that a fraudulent telephone campaign is
>>> being waged throughout the city of Roseville. Calls are being made
>>> supposedly on my behalf stating that I am a Republican.
>>>
>>> I am a non-partisan candidate for a civic government position.  I am not
>>> now or ever have been a member of any organized political party.  I have
>>> both conservative and liberal advisors on my campaign advisory committee
>>> and am proud to have waged a vigorous, non-partisan, neighborhood issues
>>> based campaign.
>>>
>>> I ask anyone receiving a phone call on my behalf stating that I am a
>>> member of ANY party, to please *69 the telelephone call, check your
>>> caller
>>> ID and report the information back to me.
>>>
>>> I can be reached at 651-788-5200.
>>>
>>> I ask anyone making these telephone calls to cease and desist
>>> immediately.
>>>
>>> Respectfully and regretfully,
>>>
>>> Jeff Johnson
>>> Candidate for Roseville City Council
>>
>>
>> Jeff Johnson
>>
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Roseville Politics From: Ken Yokanovich Date: Nov 03 01:17 UTC Short link

Not sure exactly how to handle the accusations and innuendo being passed
around concerning what started as a question about "Fraudulent Telephone
Calls"

I'm not exactly what would call Mr. Politics.  I don't know the history or
any deep dark secrets about anyone who has held office, is currently holding
office, or for that fact anyone running FOR office.  I'm not certain where I
should step in here.  I am not exactly Mr. Diplomacy either; if I were I
would be able to make my children stop arguing with one another.

I am not certain what I should think or say about the information shared
from people in the last several posts. I would encourage everyone to do
their homework before voting.  Don't make your vote based entirely on the
select information that has been shared through the use of this forum.

Information and links about the candidates running for office can be found
on the Roseville website:

http://www.ci.roseville.mn.us/index.asp?NID=1288

The Roseville Review Voter's Guide has some information as well:
http://rosevillereview.com/SiteImages/FileGallery/RosevilleCityCouncil_644.html

If anyone has other useful links to help people learn more about the people
that will potentially heavily affect our lives in Roseville, please share.

"Fraudulent" isn't the issue From: Tam McGehee Date: Nov 02 21:08 UTC Short link

After reading the flap on RIF, I received one of the phone
calls. The caller did not specify any party affiliation for Jeff, but
when asked direct questions, the caller said he did not know Jeff, was not a
friend of Jeff, and did not live in Roseville. He was simply being paid
to make quick calls urging voters to vote for Jeff. He did not know who
was paying for the calls. The issue is not one of party affiliation;
it is one of being the chosen candidate of developer Danny Commers.

John K. is clearly correct, as he often is. The card sent for Jeff can be
traced back to Eagan to Commers Drive and to Capital Direct. The phone
bank is one used in our previous election when Mr. Commers funded the phone
bank on behalf of Craig Klausing and Dan Roe. The mailings sent out the
last weekend before the last election, two for Klausing and one for Roe, were
all mailed from the same location with the same permit number--the permit
number of Capital Direct.

There was a question which Mr. Johnson has failed to answer, and it is the
central one. Did the candidate know and/or authorize these activities on
his behalf. The lack of response seems telling.

Mr. Johnson joined the Comprehensive Plan Steering Committee about half-way
through its work. He remained mute, arguing neither for nor against the
residents. Then, two weeks before the final meeting, a letter appears
from Mr. Commers' VP, Mark Rancone requesting that master plans be eliminated
from the Comprehensive Plan and that the footprint limitation be removed from
the definition of Community Business--both actions that would directly benefit
Mr. Commers' plans to put big box retail in Twin Lakes. Suddenly Mr.
Johnson who previously appeared to have no opinion developed a loud voice in
strong support of Mr. Rancone's requests. (Ms. Pust also weighed in
loudly and heavily in support of Mr. Rancone's request as well.)

Mr. Johnson, apparently feeling that his position on the Steering Committee was
insufficient, spoke during a brief hearing before the City Council. But,
instead of addressing the issue, Mr. Johnson made a "campaign speech"
actually turning in his chair to address the audience! Mr. Klausing
finally informed Mr. Johnson that if he came to speak to the Council he should
face them.

So, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck..... If residents feel
there is sufficient development, traffic, noise, etc. in Roseville, they should
take that to the ballot box and vote for candidates who are not supported by
any development or business interests. I know Karen Schaffer is a strong
supporter of neighborhoods and the most experienced and qualified person we
have had running for office here in a couple of decades. Tim Johnson made
a good impression at the LWV Forum and his CPA and accounting credentials would
fill a void on the Council. Unless someone else has other information, my
research would make Karen Shaffer and Tim Johnson the new faces for the
Council--with new ideas and new skills.



As for
Jeff Johnson, whether or not he chooses
to disavow this very expensive support from developer Danny Commers, do the
residents of Roseville want to elect a candidate that Mr. Commers so
desperately wants on our City Council?



Tam McGehee

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [RIF] Fraudulent telephone calls
From: "John M. Kysylyczyn" <<email obscured>>
Date: Sat, November 01, 2008 12:15 pm
To: "'Jeff Johnson'" <<email obscured>>, "'Roseville Issues
Forum'" <<email obscured>>
Cc: "'Jeff Johnson'" <<email obscured>>

After making a few phone calls to some of my political connections outside of
Roseville, and receiving Jeff's reply a few minutes ago, I believe I have the
answer to what is going on.

First the facts:

There are phone calls being made by live operators to every household in
Roseville asking them to vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.

There was also a postcard that was mailed out and received by households
yesterday asking people to vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.  This was a
different card than the one mailed out by Jeff himself.

If you question the live operators who are doing the calling, you will probably
find that they work for a Republican telemarketing firm that is probably
located in Saint Cloud.

What is going on?

The cost of this telemarketing firm is probably $10,000 to $25,000.  The cost
of the extra mailer probably is $5,000 to $10,000.

This is the exact same thing that was done for Craig Klausing in the last
election by developer Danny Commers, who is estimated to have spent over
$50,000 to get Klausing reelected.

Common sense says that Commers is funding this exact same kind of campaign for
Jeff Johnson in the hopes that he get elected on Tuesday.

So the question is did Jeff know about this or authorize this?  Well only Jeff
would know this answer, and we would have to take him at his word.  It isn't
like he can prove it one way or the other.  Legally, Jeff should NOT know about
independent expenditures like this.

The next question is whether this kind of independent expenditure activity is
legal.  The answer is yes.

The last question is whether it is legal to do this kind of stuff without
disclosing who is paying for it?  The answer is that after a court decision
about a year or so ago, the answer is yes, you can remain anonymous as the
donor in situations where you are spending your personal money to get out your
opinion.  If you operate in a committee environment or are accepting donations
from others to do this, then the rules change.  But if you spend your own money
only to do these kind of things, then it is perfectly legal.

So I would guess that a multi-millionaire Roseville developer like Danny
Commers, over at Twin Lakes, probably has the personal assets to do this
independently on their own within the law.  Again, common sense says that he is
attempting to buy this election like he purchased the mayor's election two
years ago.

The election two years involved something on the order of $75,000 spent by or
for Klausing and $5,000 by or for Ihlan.  Of course Klausing won in a scenario
like this.

Is Jeff Johnson working in cahoots with developer Danny Commers?  Unfortunately
for Jeff, there is no way he can prove this one way or the other.

John M. Kysylyczyn
K Solutions LLC, owner
3083 Victoria Street
Roseville, MN  55113
email: <email obscured>
home office: (651) 484-1384

www.ksolutionsllc.com
Mayor of Roseville, MN  2000-2004

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Johnson [mailto:<email obscured>]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 11:32 AM
To: Roseville Issues Forum
Cc: Jeff Johnson
Subject: Re: [RIF] Fraudulent telephone calls
Importance: High

> RIF Forum Members:
>
> It has come to my attention that a fraudulent telephone campaign is being
> waged throughout the city of Roseville.  Calls are being made supposedly
> on my behalf stating that I am a Republican.
>
> I am a non-partisan candidate for a civic government position.  I am not
> now or ever have been a member of any organized political party.  I have
> both conservative and liberal advisors on my campaign advisory committee
> and am proud to have waged a vigorous, non-partisan, neighborhood issues
> based campaign.
>
> I ask anyone receiving a phone call on my behalf stating that I am a
> member of ANY party, to please *69 the telelephone call, check your caller
> ID and report the information back to me.
>
> I can be reached at 651-788-5200.
>
> I ask anyone making these telephone calls to cease and desist immediately.
>
> Respectfully and regretfully,
>
> Jeff Johnson
> Candidate for Roseville City Council

Jeff Johnson

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Outside Interference in Roseville Civic Affairs From: John Kysylyczyn Date: Nov 02 19:24 UTC Short link

To respond to Gary's question as to who Permit number 7732 belongs to, and who
is behind these mailings for Jeff Johnson, I have the answer and the details
that should interest some people:

Permit 7732 is registered to Capitol Direct, located on COMMERS DRIVE in
Eagan, and formerly owned by Governor Tim Pawlenty communications person TIM
COMMERS, who is a relative of Roseville Properties owner DANNY COMMERS. If I
recall correctly, Tim is Danny's brother's son.  Danny Commers built the
development that Capitol Direct is located in on the corner of Dodd Road and 55
in Eagan.

Capitol Direct is now owned by State Senator Chris Gerlach, Republican from
Apple Valley.  Capitol Direct was formerly owned by Pat Anderson, former
Republican State Auditor.

Capitol Direct specializes in Republican mailings.

It was Tim Commers and Capitol Direct that arranged the $50,000+ worth of
expenditures for Klausing two years ago.  It was funded by Roseville Properties
owner Danny Commers.

John M. Kysylyczyn
K Solutions LLC, owner
3083 Victoria Street
Roseville, MN  55113
email: <email obscured>
home office: (651) 484-1384

www.ksolutionsllc.com
Mayor of Roseville, MN  2000-2004

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Grefenberg [mailto:<email obscured>]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:39 PM
To: John M. Kysylyczyn; 'Jeff Johnson'; 'Roseville Issues Forum'
Cc: 'Jeff Johnson'
Subject: Re: [RIF] Outside Interference in Roseville Civic Affairs

I'd like to add my direct experience to what seems to be going on again in
Roseville local politics.

I received a phone call this morning from a caller who encouraged me to vote
for Jeff Johnson as "the most qualified person running for the Roseville
City Council".  I interrupted his script to ask for his name; he refused to
identify himself.  I assumed from the background noise (hearing other
callers talking) that he was calling from a phone bank, so my second
question was who was paying for these calls.  He ignored my question and
attempted to continue his script which, by the way, was almost identical to
a second glossy flyer for Jeff Johnson I received in the mail today.

I finally interrupted and asked which political party Jeff Johnson belonged
to, assuming that only a political party could afford a phone bank for a
local city council race.  He responded "Republican".

I then called a Roseville friend active in Roseville civic
affair and whom I know is supporting Johnson, and told him of my phone
contact, including the caller's response to my question on Jeff Johnson's
political affiliation. He volunteered that there was also a mailing going
out to many Rosevillian homes supporting Jeff Johnson which Jeff had not
paid for or authorized (professionally-produced 'little blond blue-eyed boy
in a field of fallen autumn leaves').  My friend also said he would call
Jeff about my phone
call, which I encouraged him to do.

Since this morning I have talked to three other registered Roseville voters
who also received these call (names available upon request).  They all
reported basically the same message--vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.
One recepient asked if the caller was a Roseville resident; the caller
responded no and then abruptly terminated the call.

The point is that these "fradulent telephone calls" are not attempting to
label Jeff Johnson a Republican.  ( I trust Jeff's e-mail that he is "not a
member of an organized party.")  That inaccurate information was supplied me
only in response to my persistent questioning.  None of the other three call
recepients were told Jeff is a Republican.

The issue is not Jeff's political affiliation, it is that someone with big
bucks who doesn't have the guts to tell us his name is trying to influence a
Roseville election.  This does sound all too familiar to what happened two
years ago in other Roseville city council races, as John Kysylyczn has
reported in the Roseville Forum (see below).  And it doesn't take much of an
imagination to come up with the possible suspects who believe they have
enough of vested interest in the outcomes of a Rosville city council race to
spend the thousands of dollars to finance this clandestine campaign.

(In fact, one way Jeff Johnson could find out who is behind this campaign is
to find out who paid for St. Paul US Postal Permit #7732, the postage
for both anonymous mass mailings.)

This afternoon I received the second and different glossy mailing ('small
boy
walking a dog'), again without a disclaimer as to who paid for it, but with
a "Learn more about Jeff at" his web site.  I accept that Jeff Johnson is
not be behind these expensive mass mailings, but it would certainly add to
the transparency of Roseville civic engagement if the committee or
individual who can afford these phone banks and mass mailings would own up
to it before the election.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Kysylyczyn" <<email obscured>>
To: "'Jeff Johnson'" <<email obscured>>; "'Roseville Issues Forum'"
<<email obscured>>
Cc: "'Jeff Johnson'" <<email obscured>>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RIF] Fraudulent telephone calls

> After making a few phone calls to some of my political connections outside
> of Roseville, and receiving Jeff's reply a few minutes ago, I believe I
> have the answer to what is going on.
>
> First the facts:
>
> There are phone calls being made by live operators to every household in
> Roseville asking them to vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.
>
> There was also a postcard that was mailed out and received by households
> yesterday asking people to vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.  This
> was a different card than the one mailed out by Jeff himself.
>
> If you question the live operators who are doing the calling, you will
> probably find that they work for a Republican telemarketing firm that is
> probably located in Saint Cloud.
>
> What is going on?
>
> The cost of this telemarketing firm is probably $10,000 to $25,000.  The
> cost of the extra mailer probably is $5,000 to $10,000.
>
> This is the exact same thing that was done for Craig Klausing in the last
> election by developer Danny Commers, who is estimated to have spent over
> $50,000 to get Klausing reelected.
>
> Common sense says that Commers is funding this exact same kind of campaign
> for Jeff Johnson in the hopes that he get elected on Tuesday.
>
> So the question is did Jeff know about this or authorize this?  Well only
> Jeff would know this answer, and we would have to take him at his word.
> It isn't like he can prove it one way or the other.  Legally, Jeff should
> NOT know about independent expenditures like this.
>
> The next question is whether this kind of independent expenditure activity
> is legal.  The answer is yes.
>
> The last question is whether it is legal to do this kind of stuff without
> disclosing who is paying for it?  The answer is that after a court
> decision about a year or so ago, the answer is yes, you can remain
> anonymous as the donor in situations where you are spending your personal
> money to get out your opinion.  If you operate in a committee environment
> or are accepting donations from others to do this, then the rules change.
> But if you spend your own money only to do these kind of things, then it
> is perfectly legal.
>
> So I would guess that a multi-millionaire Roseville developer like Danny
> Commers, over at Twin Lakes, probably has the personal assets to do this
> independently on their own within the law.  Again, common sense says that
> he is attempting to buy this election like he purchased the mayor's
> election two years ago.
>
> The election two years involved something on the order of $75,000 spent by
> or for Klausing and $5,000 by or for Ihlan.  Of course Klausing won in a
> scenario like this.
>
> Is Jeff Johnson working in cahoots with developer Danny Commers?
> Unfortunately for Jeff, there is no way he can prove this one way or the
> other.
>
>
> John M. Kysylyczyn
> K Solutions LLC, owner
> 3083 Victoria Street
> Roseville, MN  55113
> email: <email obscured>
> home office: (651) 484-1384
>
> www.ksolutionsllc.com
> Mayor of Roseville, MN  2000-2004
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Johnson [mailto:<email obscured>]
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 11:32 AM
> To: Roseville Issues Forum
> Cc: Jeff Johnson
> Subject: Re: [RIF] Fraudulent telephone calls
> Importance: High
>
>> RIF Forum Members:
>>
>> It has come to my attention that a fraudulent telephone campaign is being
>> waged throughout the city of Roseville.  Calls are being made supposedly
>> on my behalf stating that I am a Republican.
>>
>> I am a non-partisan candidate for a civic government position.  I am not
>> now or ever have been a member of any organized political party.  I have
>> both conservative and liberal advisors on my campaign advisory committee
>> and am proud to have waged a vigorous, non-partisan, neighborhood issues
>> based campaign.
>>
>> I ask anyone receiving a phone call on my behalf stating that I am a
>> member of ANY party, to please *69 the telelephone call, check your
>> caller
>> ID and report the information back to me.
>>
>> I can be reached at 651-788-5200.
>>
>> I ask anyone making these telephone calls to cease and desist
>> immediately.
>>
>> Respectfully and regretfully,
>>
>> Jeff Johnson
>> Candidate for Roseville City Council
>
>
> Jeff Johnson
>
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Fraudulent telephone calls From: John Kysylyczyn Date: Nov 02 16:27 UTC Short link

You will get many answers to the question of why local "neighborhood"
politicians do not reflect a political party but regional/state/national ones
do.  Some will claim that local issues are not partisan.  Another good one is
that local elected officials need to work together.  The list goes on and on.
Most of the claims are false.  Actually the answer is a lot simpler than this.

State law in Minnesota is the answer.  State law does not provide for partisan
(DFL/GOP) labels to be placed on the ballot for local offices.  Nothing illegal
about being endorsed or being part of a political party endorsing process
though.  This is simply about ballot listings.  In other states, every office
has partisan labels all the way from Governor, down to dog catcher.  In
Minnesota, the law has probably changed several times, most notably when state
legislators had no partisan labels on the ballot from the early 1900's through
the 1972 election cycle if memory serves correct.  In 1974, suddenly partisan
labels appeared on the ballot and some old legislators of the time tell me that
this is how the DFL got a massive majority because if you couple Watergate with
the public suddenly knowing the party label on the ballot and you can figure
out the rest.  As a side note, I am strictly talking about listings on the
ballot.  Of course candidates could put their party label on their lit and/or
campaign sign.

As another fun footnote in history; former House Chief Clerk Ed Burdick told me
that prior to the partisan ballot labeling in the 1970's, legislators used to
caucus not as DFL and GOP, but as the "conservative" and the "liberal" caucus.
He said that some legislators would simply join the larger group to be in the
majority.  Without that hard label, I suppose you could switch back and forth a
lot easier.

So the term "non-partisan" office legally does not refer to political
philosophy even though there are many who claim it does.  It refers solely to
what appears on the ballot.

Some candidates claim that they are running for a non-partisan office so
therefore they are not associated with a political party.  Complete BS.  This
typically is said as a good political cover.  For example, if you are a
Republican, you tell this to the known Republicans but tell the Democrats that
you are non-partisan.  Cute political trick.

For example, one of our current council members claimed at a public meeting
that he was non-partisan and that his job didn't allow him to be part of a
political party.  Apparently he thought I was born yesterday.  Well this same
person spoke at several political fundraisers for candidates of a certain
political party and has volunteered for a person in that same political party,
and has shown up and participated in several precinct caucuses for this same
political party.  Now maybe they are ashamed of their political party
involvement, but the claim that they were non-partisan was a complete lie.  One
look at their voting record could also answer any lingering questions.  It is
one thing to not mention your political party affiliation, but it is another to
lie when asked, which was the case here.

I have worked for several candidates in the past, and two candidates in this
election cycle who are local politicians that are endorsed by a major political
party.  There is nothing illegal or improper about this even though there are
many who make the erroneous claim that it is.

Yes, contrary to a lot of claims, there are partisan issues at the local level
of government.  Yes the big issues like abortion don’t typically play into
local politics, but the biggest issue in government is money and that can
certainly be a partisan issue.  Some people believe that partisan labels on the
ballot would help citizens select their local elected officials better.

As another side note, Roseville council has had political party involvement
over the past 20 years in the form of two "good ol boy" groups that have fought
for control of the city council.  One of these groups was called the Roseville
Citizens Council for Fair and Open Government, who has tried to hide from their
dysfunctional past by renaming themselves the Roseville Citizens League.  They
masquerade around as so called "good government" groups with 501c IRS status.
But look at their activities and their history and they have functioned just
like the big political parties, which also happen to be 501c IRS entities.  The
difference is that their issues are typically petty, and vacillate all over the
place depending on which "good ol boy" they want to support in the next
election and what is in it for them personally.

In my opinion, partisan labels for local politicians would not result in better
or worse government.  It wouldn't politicize the process any more than it
currently is.  It would just simply result in a slightly different political
situation from what we in Minnesota have become accustomed to.

John M. Kysylyczyn
K Solutions LLC, owner
3083 Victoria Street
Roseville, MN  55113
email: <email obscured>
home office: (651) 484-1384

www.ksolutionsllc.com
Mayor of Roseville, MN  2000-2004

Fraudulent telephone calls From: Megan Dushin Date: Nov 02 12:29 UTC Short link

I see how politics and business team up to influence the future, if this is
indeed the case. Even if it weren't, it's completely plausible, and clarifies
what the bigger picture politicians talk about: special interests.

Now why do local "neighborhood" politicians not reflect a political party and
regional/state/national ones do? Is it because as neighbors we all need to get
along? We need to realize that we're all essentially in the same boat, and made
of the same skin and bones, so the political isle shouldn't divide us?

- Naive citizen

Outside Interference in Roseville Civic Affairs From: Gary Grefenberg Date: Nov 02 01:36 UTC Short link

I'd like to add my direct experience to what seems to be going on again in
Roseville local politics.

I received a phone call this morning from a caller who encouraged me to vote
for Jeff Johnson as "the most qualified person running for the Roseville
City Council".  I interrupted his script to ask for his name; he refused to
identify himself.  I assumed from the background noise (hearing other
callers talking) that he was calling from a phone bank, so my second
question was who was paying for these calls.  He ignored my question and
attempted to continue his script which, by the way, was almost identical to
a second glossy flyer for Jeff Johnson I received in the mail today.

I finally interrupted and asked which political party Jeff Johnson belonged
to, assuming that only a political party could afford a phone bank for a
local city council race.  He responded "Republican".

I then called a Roseville friend active in Roseville civic
affair and whom I know is supporting Johnson, and told him of my phone
contact, including the caller's response to my question on Jeff Johnson's
political affiliation. He volunteered that there was also a mailing going
out to many Rosevillian homes supporting Jeff Johnson which Jeff had not
paid for or authorized (professionally-produced 'little blond blue-eyed boy
in a field of fallen autumn leaves').  My friend also said he would call
Jeff about my phone
call, which I encouraged him to do.

Since this morning I have talked to three other registered Roseville voters
who also received these call (names available upon request).  They all
reported basically the same message--vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.
One recepient asked if the caller was a Roseville resident; the caller
responded no and then abruptly terminated the call.

The point is that these "fradulent telephone calls" are not attempting to
label Jeff Johnson a Republican.  ( I trust Jeff's e-mail that he is "not a
member of an organized party.")  That inaccurate information was supplied me
only in response to my persistent questioning.  None of the other three call
recepients were told Jeff is a Republican.

The issue is not Jeff's political affiliation, it is that someone with big
bucks who doesn't have the guts to tell us his name is trying to influence a
Roseville election.  This does sound all too familiar to what happened two
years ago in other Roseville city council races, as John Kysylyczn has
reported in the Roseville Forum (see below).  And it doesn't take much of an
imagination to come up with the possible suspects who believe they have
enough of vested interest in the outcomes of a Rosville city council race to
spend the thousands of dollars to finance this clandestine campaign.

(In fact, one way Jeff Johnson could find out who is behind this campaign is
to find out who paid for St. Paul US Postal Permit #7732, the postage
for both anonymous mass mailings.)

This afternoon I received the second and different glossy mailing ('small
boy
walking a dog'), again without a disclaimer as to who paid for it, but with
a "Learn more about Jeff at" his web site.  I accept that Jeff Johnson is
not be behind these expensive mass mailings, but it would certainly add to
the transparency of Roseville civic engagement if the committee or
individual who can afford these phone banks and mass mailings would own up
to it before the election.



----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Kysylyczyn" <<email obscured>>
To: "'Jeff Johnson'" <<email obscured>>; "'Roseville Issues Forum'"
<<email obscured>>
Cc: "'Jeff Johnson'" <<email obscured>>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RIF] Fraudulent telephone calls


> After making a few phone calls to some of my political connections outside
> of Roseville, and receiving Jeff's reply a few minutes ago, I believe I
> have the answer to what is going on.
>
> First the facts:
>
> There are phone calls being made by live operators to every household in
> Roseville asking them to vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.
>
> There was also a postcard that was mailed out and received by households
> yesterday asking people to vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.  This
> was a different card than the one mailed out by Jeff himself.
>
> If you question the live operators who are doing the calling, you will
> probably find that they work for a Republican telemarketing firm that is
> probably located in Saint Cloud.
>
> What is going on?
>
> The cost of this telemarketing firm is probably $10,000 to $25,000.  The
> cost of the extra mailer probably is $5,000 to $10,000.
>
> This is the exact same thing that was done for Craig Klausing in the last
> election by developer Danny Commers, who is estimated to have spent over
> $50,000 to get Klausing reelected.
>
> Common sense says that Commers is funding this exact same kind of campaign
> for Jeff Johnson in the hopes that he get elected on Tuesday.
>
> So the question is did Jeff know about this or authorize this?  Well only
> Jeff would know this answer, and we would have to take him at his word.
> It isn't like he can prove it one way or the other.  Legally, Jeff should
> NOT know about independent expenditures like this.
>
> The next question is whether this kind of independent expenditure activity
> is legal.  The answer is yes.
>
> The last question is whether it is legal to do this kind of stuff without
> disclosing who is paying for it?  The answer is that after a court
> decision about a year or so ago, the answer is yes, you can remain
> anonymous as the donor in situations where you are spending your personal
> money to get out your opinion.  If you operate in a committee environment
> or are accepting donations from others to do this, then the rules change.
> But if you spend your own money only to do these kind of things, then it
> is perfectly legal.
>
> So I would guess that a multi-millionaire Roseville developer like Danny
> Commers, over at Twin Lakes, probably has the personal assets to do this
> independently on their own within the law.  Again, common sense says that
> he is attempting to buy this election like he purchased the mayor's
> election two years ago.
>
> The election two years involved something on the order of $75,000 spent by
> or for Klausing and $5,000 by or for Ihlan.  Of course Klausing won in a
> scenario like this.
>
> Is Jeff Johnson working in cahoots with developer Danny Commers?
> Unfortunately for Jeff, there is no way he can prove this one way or the
> other.
>
>
> John M. Kysylyczyn
> K Solutions LLC, owner
> 3083 Victoria Street
> Roseville, MN  55113
> email: <email obscured>
> home office: (651) 484-1384
>
> www.ksolutionsllc.com
> Mayor of Roseville, MN  2000-2004
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Johnson [mailto:<email obscured>]
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 11:32 AM
> To: Roseville Issues Forum
> Cc: Jeff Johnson
> Subject: Re: [RIF] Fraudulent telephone calls
> Importance: High
>
>> RIF Forum Members:
>>
>> It has come to my attention that a fraudulent telephone campaign is being
>> waged throughout the city of Roseville.  Calls are being made supposedly
>> on my behalf stating that I am a Republican.
>>
>> I am a non-partisan candidate for a civic government position.  I am not
>> now or ever have been a member of any organized political party.  I have
>> both conservative and liberal advisors on my campaign advisory committee
>> and am proud to have waged a vigorous, non-partisan, neighborhood issues
>> based campaign.
>>
>> I ask anyone receiving a phone call on my behalf stating that I am a
>> member of ANY party, to please *69 the telelephone call, check your
>> caller
>> ID and report the information back to me.
>>
>> I can be reached at 651-788-5200.
>>
>> I ask anyone making these telephone calls to cease and desist
>> immediately.
>>
>> Respectfully and regretfully,
>>
>> Jeff Johnson
>> Candidate for Roseville City Council
>
>
> Jeff Johnson
>
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Fraudulent telephone calls From: John Kysylyczyn Date: Nov 01 17:16 UTC Short link

After making a few phone calls to some of my political connections outside of
Roseville, and receiving Jeff's reply a few minutes ago, I believe I have the
answer to what is going on.

First the facts:

There are phone calls being made by live operators to every household in
Roseville asking them to vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.

There was also a postcard that was mailed out and received by households
yesterday asking people to vote for Jeff Johnson for City Council.  This was a
different card than the one mailed out by Jeff himself.

If you question the live operators who are doing the calling, you will probably
find that they work for a Republican telemarketing firm that is probably
located in Saint Cloud.

What is going on?

The cost of this telemarketing firm is probably $10,000 to $25,000.  The cost
of the extra mailer probably is $5,000 to $10,000.

This is the exact same thing that was done for Craig Klausing in the last
election by developer Danny Commers, who is estimated to have spent over
$50,000 to get Klausing reelected.

Common sense says that Commers is funding this exact same kind of campaign for
Jeff Johnson in the hopes that he get elected on Tuesday.

So the question is did Jeff know about this or authorize this?  Well only Jeff
would know this answer, and we would have to take him at his word.  It isn't
like he can prove it one way or the other.  Legally, Jeff should NOT know about
independent expenditures like this.

The next question is whether this kind of independent expenditure activity is
legal.  The answer is yes.

The last question is whether it is legal to do this kind of stuff without
disclosing who is paying for it?  The answer is that after a court decision
about a year or so ago, the answer is yes, you can remain anonymous as the
donor in situations where you are spending your personal money to get out your
opinion.  If you operate in a committee environment or are accepting donations
from others to do this, then the rules change.  But if you spend your own money
only to do these kind of things, then it is perfectly legal.

So I would guess that a multi-millionaire Roseville developer like Danny
Commers, over at Twin Lakes, probably has the personal assets to do this
independently on their own within the law.  Again, common sense says that he is
attempting to buy this election like he purchased the mayor's election two
years ago.

The election two years involved something on the order of $75,000 spent by or
for Klausing and $5,000 by or for Ihlan.  Of course Klausing won in a scenario
like this.

Is Jeff Johnson working in cahoots with developer Danny Commers?  Unfortunately
for Jeff, there is no way he can prove this one way or the other.


John M. Kysylyczyn
K Solutions LLC, owner
3083 Victoria Street
Roseville, MN  55113
email: <email obscured>
home office: (651) 484-1384

www.ksolutionsllc.com
Mayor of Roseville, MN  2000-2004

Fraudulent telephone calls From: John Kysylyczyn Date: Nov 01 16:46 UTC Short link

The first question I would like to ask for the purposes of general information
is did YOU hire a company to make telephone calls?

I'm wondering which scenario exists:

Is this a group that is calling with misinformation?

Or, are there two groups calling, one hired by you, and another clandestine
group?

Thanks,

John M. Kysylyczyn
K Solutions LLC, owner
3083 Victoria Street
Roseville, MN  55113
email: <email obscured>
home office: (651) 484-1384

www.ksolutionsllc.com
Mayor of Roseville, MN  2000-2004

Fraudulent telephone calls From: Jeff Johnson Date: Nov 01 16:37 UTC Short link

FIRST Robotics at Roseville Area High School - Update From: Ken Yokanovich Date: Oct 30 20:36 UTC Short link

Wow,  when I was a kid I would have really liked to have had an opportunity
like this.  Making things is REALLY gratifying.  I don't have anything to
donate, but I hope that the program stays alive for my daughters to
participate one day.  Something like this would be RIGHT up my 9 year old's
alley.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Tom Lageson <<email obscured>> wrote:

> The new FIRST Robotics team at the Roseville Area High School is in full
> swing!  We have approximately 15 motivated members and 3 mentors.  We have
> had several meetings exploring such things as pneumatics, hardware control
> and machining.
>
> In an earlier post
>
http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/roseville-issues/messages/topic/LUbKj8kIBDDAImqblKuZFI
described the purpose of the team more fully.

FIRST Robotics at Roseville Area High School - Update From: Tom Lageson Date: Oct 30 20:28 UTC Short link

The new FIRST Robotics team at the Roseville Area High School is in full swing!
We have approximately 15 motivated members and 3 mentors.  We have had several
meetings exploring such things as pneumatics, hardware control and machining.

In an earlier post
http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/roseville-issues/messages/topic/LUbKj8kIBDDAImqblKuZF
I described the purpose of the team more fully.

At this point we are starting to put together some of the tools we need to
prepare the students for the competition in April.  Two things that stand out
more immediately are a drill press and a rolling tool chest.  If you have
either one of those that you no longer need, please consider donating them to
the team.  Donations such as this help us to keep more of our money for the
actual hands-on technology for the students.  All donations to the high school
are tax deductible.

Let me know if you have any questions about the team or its purpose.

- Tom

Kids Voting Volunteers Needed From: Michael Sheeks Date: Oct 28 19:51 UTC Short link

Greetings!

Roseville Area Schools is participating in an exciting program, Kids Voting,
that allows our students to vote at the polling place at the same time that
their parents are voting.  Materials have been prepared and students are ready
to vote...but we have some polling places that still need volunteers to work at
the Kids Voting tables.

Might you be able to help us with this?  Volunteers can sign up for a specific
time slot from the list below.  Your tasks as a volunteer are simply to be at
the tables to register our student voters, provide them with a ballot, and
collect the completed ballots.  Feel free to sign up for more than one time
slot. :)

If you can fill one of the slots below, please contact
<email obscured>.  Thanks!

Lauderdale City Hall
1891 Walnut
7:00-9:30
3:00-5:30
5:30-8:00

Maplewood Fire Station 1, Parkside (Edgerton)
2001 McMenemy Street
7:00-9:30
3:00-5:30
5:30-8:00

St. Jerome’s (Edgerton)
380 Roselawn
7:00-9:30
3:00-5:30
5:30-8:00

Edgerton Elementary
1929 Edgerton, Maplewood 55117
3:00-5:30
5:30-8:00

Maplewood Fire Station, Gladstone (Edgerton)
1900 Clarence Street @ Frost
7:00-9:30
3:00-5:30
5:30-8:00

Roseville Area Middle School
15 County Road B2 East
7:00-9:30
3:00-5:30
5:30-8:00

Little Canada School
400 Eli Road
3:00-5:30
5:30-8:00

Little Canada City Hall
515 Little Canada Road East
3:00-5:30
5:30-8:00

North Heights Lutheran Church
1701 Rice Street North
3:00-5:30
5:30-8:00

Emmet D. Williams School
955 County Road D West
7:00-9:30

Prince of Peace Lutheran Church
2561 N. Victoria Street
7:00-9:30

roseville city council election From: Tam McGehee Date: Oct 24 15:12 UTC Short link

Thank you again for your comments. I couldn't agree more.Tam

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [RIF] roseville city council election
From: "Brent Engebretson" <<email obscured>>
Date: Fri, October 24, 2008 9:33 am
To: "Roseville Issues Forum" <<email obscured>>

Maybe Barbara missed my point. I was not complaining that I could not find
information (I have used many of the sources she has compiled). My point was
that is it was my perception that it was harder to find with everything else
that goes on with an even year election.  I am a junkie when it comes to
elections and if I perceive that it harder to cut through everything to find
these things, my concern is with the people who don't share the same passion
trying to find these resources.

With the odd-year election, there seemed to be more of a buzz in the community
about the council race.  I'm not feeling it this time because the buzz is with
the presidential election and in couple of years the buzz will be the
gubernatorial election.  The sources Barbara compiled seemed to be more front
and center during the odd-years, they seem buried this time.

Barbara did a service for all of us and placed all of these online sources in a
very useful posting. Using part of John's idea of a voting guide, maybe
something like this could be posted on a higher profile webpage (a city website
perhaps) or emailed so it can be of use to the larger community.

I still disagree with Mike's point about it being better to have more voters
essentially throwing darts at the ballot to pick our council members than it is
to have fewer people vote who are a little more informed on the issues.  If you
have to win because of the color of your campaign sign rather than on the
issues, I'm not sure I would be feeling very good about that.  Last time I
threw a dart on my ballot, I ended up helping to elect someone who I thought
turned out to be exactly the wrong person for the job.

My view is that if you choose not to vote then you have no right to complain.
But if you do vote, you have a duty to educate your yourself about the person
you are checking the box for. If you don't know who that person is and what
they represent, you should leave the box blank and trust your neighbor has done
their homework when they make their selection. That's good democracy.

Brent Engebretson
Roseville

Brent Engebretson

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