Republican Silence, Who Pays for RNC?

I can provide two answers for my Merriam Park neighbor.
1) There is a request in the 2008-2009 St. Paul Long-Range Capital Improvement
Budget for cameras. It is recommended for some city funds to match federal and
private funds. I can dig out the figures if you'd like them. The cameras stay
after the convention and I think were proposed before the convention announced
plans to come here.
The capital budget gets adopted at year's end with the 2008 city budget. I
think the neighborhood papers are the only ones bothering to write about
capital spending -- mainly in the context of gaping budget holes caused by
precommitted funding. This is probably one of the most citizen-drive processes
in St. Paul and it is worth following.

2) Also. . . there was an article by Brian Bakst of the Associated Press in the
Pi Press last week about a meeting to rustle up some Republican $$$$. Someone
else can provide the link as I hear the cats possibly breaking something in the
living room and need to sign off.
Jane McClure
Merriam Park

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Grace Kelly (nicknamed Kelly)" <email obscured>>
>Sent: Jul 1, 2007 9:51 AM
>To: "St. Paul Issues Forum" <email obscured>>
>Subject: [SPIF] Republican Silence, Who Pays for RNC?
>
>Here we are in the midst of the big Republican issue, the Republican National
Convention (RNC), and the biggest traditional Republican issue, "Who pays?",
yet there is
>
>Silence, Republican Silence
>
>No, I will not say crickets chirping, for I don't ever hear crickets chirping
anymore. Environmentally I don't know what happen that crickets are no longer
chirping, it may be a federal secret declared by Cheney, yet I don't know the
answer.
>
>I do know the we have been told that this RNC convention would economically
good for us. So far Sheriff Fletcher has given the plans for a big holding pen
for arrested people. Unless St Paul thinks we economically benefit by arresting
people, or we are going to convert the pen to raising chickens, I just don't do
not see an economic benefit.
>
>Now we are hiring 4000 police officers for the convention. For what? For
dedicated peacemakers, who have been having protests every week for years. The
only lawbreaking is the tooting of horns. If any trouble happens, I think that
trouble will be planted and staged by our Republican administration, And if you
do not think the government does do that kind of stuff, then read the recently
declassified "Crown Jewels" CIA papers. The federal government has a long
history of breaking the law at the President's request. Why would the St Paul
RNC be different?
>
>I was hoping for cameras installed in downtown, for I have no problem with
public observation of public streets. That would give us safety and more
justice both at the RNC and afterwards. I have heard nothing about that.
>
>Repeatedly, we ask who is going to pay for it and what do we hear?
>
>Silence, Republican Silence
>
>Is the governor going to call a special session and guarantee coverage of the
RNC costs?
>
>Silence, Republican Silence
>
>Is the President going to sign the bill authorizing security funds for the
security paranoia of the RNC convention?
>
>Silence, Republican Silence
>
>Are Republicans raising the funds to pay for the RNC convention privately?
>
>Silence, Republican Silence
>
>Are any Republicans on this list devoting time to fundraising or to
volunteering to our city to save funds?
>
>Silence, Republican Silence
>
>Remember all the name calling, all the invective and all the bravado of all
those voices previously. Yet, when it comes to good government, when it comes
to getting a job done, when it comes to paying for the RNC:
>
>Silence, Republican Silence
>
>Well I think it is time for the rest of to speak up and keep speaking up.
>
>We can't afford the RNC, let's give it to Tampa!
>
>Grace Kelly nicknamed Kelly
>"Who pays for RNC?" curmudgeon in Merriam Park
>
>Grace (nicknamed Kelly) Kelly
>Merriam Park, St Paul
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Mitch would like us to believe that "there's NEVER
been the faintest hint that anyone plans to arrest
"peaceful" protesters ..."

Doesn't past history count as at least a hint of
what's to come? Remember the last Republican
convention, the one in NY City? There were plenty of
innocent people swept up in that one. NY is still
paying to settle the lawsuits of those people.

There's another possibility of course. Mitch's
definition of innocent may just be different than
mine. Will everyone who get's arrested have given
probable cause to believe they've committed a crime?
Not if past behavior is a guide.

Mitch continues down his path of preemptively blaming everyone to the left of
him (that is, mind you, most of St. Paul) for the future acts of everyone else
to the left of him who may cause trouble at the RNC.  Despite no evidence that
anyone from the St. Paul’s DFL side of the aisle in any way condones the
violence Mitch warns us about, he continues in his “Start minding your own
people or face the consequences” mindset.

The truth of the matter is that there are signs of potential bad behavior on
both sides here.  Here on the St. Paul Issues Forum we’ve seen the
thinly-veiled threats that Mitch and his friends are going to hold us all
responsible for the “dirtball demonstrators.”  But in other venues, Mitch
sounds far less concerned about civil unrest, and has actually invoked the
specter of a vigilante group he’s hoping will come to St. Paul to help deal
with the riff raff.  Shortly after the convention’s visit to St. Paul was
announced, Mitch was on that AM radio powerhouse, 1280, the “Patriot,”
proclaiming what fun he and his right wing friends would be having infiltrating
the protest marches.

Complete tape of the gleeful on-air exchange can be heard here:

http://www.townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPlayer.aspx?ContentGuid=6095d4dd-c4c3-4d90-b1de-13a5bd5b84aa

But let’s consider some highlights of Mitch, Ed Morrisy, and “Ingy” from this
show broadcast last September about the upcoming RNC in St. Paul.

At about forty minutes into the show, Mitch Berg is talking with longtime
caller “Ingy” about the upcoming 2008 Republican Convention.  Starting at
around 40:42 into the program:  “Oh, we’re gonna have such a blast at this
convention, Ingy, and of course our friends at Protest Warrior are already
getting stoked up for this particular party out on Kellogg Boulevard  (Ingy
says something unintelligible) …It’s going to be a donnybrook, a- a- rhubarb,
a-  a- uh- what’s another good sports cliché for – for--  for— a slam-bam?”

Ed: .. A fracas.

MB:   A fracas, that’s right!

Ingy:  [Faint in the beginning, but gets stronger]… For people that are
associated with Protest Warrior or any of those groups, who aren’t delegates or
anything, go down there!

MB: Oh, absolutely!

Ingy:  You will see street theater at its finest!

MB:  And you know what – thank you very much for your call – this is gonna be
great street theater…

[MB then talks about how some people are upset that the Republicans and not the
Democrats are coming to St. Paul in 2008, ask for calls on this, then goes to a
commercial break at 41:32.  The break lasts to 44:45.  .  They talk about other
stuff until 46:43 and then start on the Convention topic after saying they’d be
going back to their callers – which they never did.]

But then they take up the convention again later:

MB:  (47:10) , talking up the alleged boost to the local economy that the
convention is bringing:  “…there’s going to be millions of dollars to the local
economy, even after you get done paying for the security that’s gonna be
involved in keeping the largely leftist crowd of lunatics and thugs from
disrupting the cities too terribly.”

Ed:  (47:20) “There’s gonna be a big security bill here.”

MB: (47:25) “If only the left would actually get and- and- and grow some
responsibility and tell their lunatic fringe to quit throwing things, quit
firebombing things, quit destroying things, and actually have some respect for
the American political process – d’you think you can do that, Twin Cities Left?
Twin Cities DFL, can you do this?  Can you keep your thugocracy and your far
fringe left under control?"

So after invoking the presence of the now-underground vigilante anti-left group
the “Protest Warriors,” Mitch starts in on the theme we’ve seen him run with
ever since, that it’s going to be the left causing violence – not the agent
provocateurs of the right that he has so gleefully wished will be there – and
that the rest of us are responsible for the behavior of strangers.

Keep all this in mind over the next year as Mitch continues to say provocative
things along the lines of his recent posts here.  He’s the one who continues
talking about “keep[ing] a watch … on the animals who are planning their
mischief,” while encouraging mischief from the other side of the aisle.  He
contends that those who disagree with him are “poo flinging monkeys” while
those vigilantes who show up with no other purpose than to provoke a fracas and
put the “lefties in their place” are somehow noble defenders of freedom.

As he continues predict that people will step out of line, don’t forget that
he’s the one who’s using terms like “Game on” and “the fringe left’s refusal to
admit it has a problem” and “dirtball demonstrators.”  He’s the one gleefully
celebrating the arrival of right wing provocateurs in the hopes that they
create a "slam-bam," not the citizens of St. Paul.

Diane Gerth
Peaceful in the West End

Post script:  More on the people Mitch hasn’t invoked lately:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_Warrior
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Protest_Warrior

From the Sourcewatch site:

“The group's primary method of activism is "crashing" left-wing events and
counter-demonstrating left-wing protests, actions that the group itself gives
names such as Operation Eagle Strike, Operation Liberty Rising, and Operation
Wolverines (a reference to the film Red Dawn). The group engages in protests of
their own, often against what it considers to be organizations in support of
terrorism in the USA and around the world.

Protest Warriors often carry large signs with sarcastic or mocking messages.
After large operations, videos are posted to the website documenting the
events. The videos include confrontations with protesters and the unwelcoming,
sometimes violent, reactions of the protesters. Protest Warriors claim that
these videos show the hypocrisy of the protesters in their claims to being
pro-peace and pro – freedom of speech.

Those who conflict with the Protest Warriors generally see them as acting in a
provoking or aggressive manner towards protestors, and that the Protest Warrior
signs are offensive. Many feel that the Protest Warriors are deliberately
confrontational and hostile to antagonize the otherwise peaceful protestors.
Some see the Protest Warriors' criticism of Islam as bigoted. Others feel that
the Protest Warriors, by choosing groups likely to be agitated by their
rhetoric as targets, are causing the very problem they intend to demonstrate.

THAT is why you're the Queen, Sister!!!

I am reminded of the time I was put in the stocks in the village square and
had chestnuts and rocks and sheep feces thrown at me for three days
straight, as punishment for when my quadruply removed thirteenth
step-cousin's mother-in-law's uncle's adopted sex offender raped someone,
(The hate-child's offspring would eventually wind up in Saint Paul.)

AMH
Peaceporter Pond
Lower Left Bank
"A Poo-Flinging-Free Zone"

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Mitch continues down his path of preemptively blaming everyone to the left
of him (that is, mind you, most of St. Paul) for the future acts of
everyone else to the left of him who may cause trouble at the RNC.  Despite
no evidence that anyone from the St. Paul’s DFL side of the aisle in any
way condones the violence Mitch warns us about, he continues in his “Start
minding your own people or face the consequences” mindset.

The truth of the matter is that there are signs of potential bad behavior
on both sides here.  Here on the St. Paul Issues Forum we’ve seen the
thinly-veiled threats that Mitch and his friends are going to hold us all
responsible for the “dirtball demonstrators.”  But in other venues, Mitch
sounds far less concerned about civil unrest, and has actually invoked the
specter of a vigilante group he’s hoping will come to St. Paul to help deal
with the riff raff.  Shortly after the convention’s visit to St. Paul was
announced, Mitch was on that AM radio powerhouse, 1280, the “Patriot,”
proclaiming what fun he and his right wing friends would be having
infiltrating the protest marches.

Complete tape of the gleeful on-air exchange can be heard here:

http://www.townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPlayer.aspx?ContentGuid=6095d4dd-c4c3-4d90-b1de-13a5bd5b84aa


But let’s consider some highlights of Mitch, Ed Morrisy, and “Ingy” from
this show broadcast last September about the upcoming RNC in St. Paul.

At about forty minutes into the show, Mitch Berg is talking with longtime
caller “Ingy” about the upcoming 2008 Republican Convention.  Starting at
around 40:42 into the program:  “Oh, we’re gonna have such a blast at this
convention, Ingy, and of course our friends at Protest Warrior are already
getting stoked up for this particular party out on Kellogg Boulevard  (Ingy
says something unintelligible) …It’s going to be a donnybrook, a- a-
rhubarb, a-  a- uh- what’s another good sports cliché for – for--  for— a
slam-bam?”

Ed: .. A fracas.

MB:   A fracas, that’s right!

Ingy:  [Faint in the beginning, but gets stronger]… For people that are
associated with Protest Warrior or any of those groups, who aren’t
delegates or anything, go down there!

MB: Oh, absolutely!

Ingy:  You will see street theater at its finest!

MB:  And you know what – thank you very much for your call – this is gonna
be great street theater…

[MB then talks about how some people are upset that the Republicans and not
the Democrats are coming to St. Paul in 2008, ask for calls on this, then
goes to a commercial break at 41:32.  The break lasts to 44:45.  .  They
talk about other stuff until 46:43 and then start on the Convention topic
after saying they’d be going back to their callers – which they never did.]

But then they take up the convention again later:

MB:  (47:10) , talking up the alleged boost to the local economy that the
convention is bringing:  “…there’s going to be millions of dollars to the
local economy, even after you get done paying for the security that’s gonna
be involved in keeping the largely leftist crowd of lunatics and thugs from
disrupting the cities too terribly.”

Ed:  (47:20) “There’s gonna be a big security bill here.”

MB: (47:25) “If only the left would actually get and- and- and grow some
responsibility and tell their lunatic fringe to quit throwing things, quit
firebombing things, quit destroying things, and actually have some respect
for the American political process – d’you think you can do that, Twin
Cities Left?  Twin Cities DFL, can you do this?  Can you keep your
thugocracy and your far fringe left under control?"

So after invoking the presence of the now-underground vigilante anti-left
group the “Protest Warriors,” Mitch starts in on the theme we’ve seen him
run with ever since, that it’s going to be the left causing violence – not
the agent provocateurs of the right that he has so gleefully wished will be
there – and that the rest of us are responsible for the behavior of
strangers.

Keep all this in mind over the next year as Mitch continues to say
provocative things along the lines of his recent posts here.  He’s the one
who continues talking about “keep[ing] a watch … on the animals who are
planning their mischief,” while encouraging mischief from the other side of
the aisle.  He contends that those who disagree with him are “poo flinging
monkeys” while those vigilantes who show up with no other purpose than to
provoke a fracas and put the “lefties in their place” are somehow noble
defenders of freedom.

As he continues predict that people will step out of line, don’t forget
that he’s the one who’s using terms like “Game on” and “the fringe left’s
refusal to admit it has a problem” and “dirtball demonstrators.”  He’s the
one gleefully celebrating the arrival of right wing provocateurs in the
hopes that they create a "slam-bam," not the citizens of St. Paul.

Diane Gerth
Peaceful in the West End

Post script:  More on the people Mitch hasn’t invoked lately:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_Warrior
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Protest_Warrior

From the Sourcewatch site:

“The group's primary method of activism is "crashing" left-wing events and
counter-demonstrating left-wing protests, actions that the group itself
gives names such as Operation Eagle Strike, Operation Liberty Rising, and
Operation Wolverines (a reference to the film Red Dawn). The group engages
in protests of their own, often against what it considers to be
organizations in support of terrorism in the USA and around the world.

Protest Warriors often carry large signs with sarcastic or mocking
messages. After large operations, videos are posted to the website
documenting the events. The videos include confrontations with protesters
and the unwelcoming, sometimes violent, reactions of the protesters.
Protest Warriors claim that these videos show the hypocrisy of the
protesters in their claims to being pro-peace and pro – freedom of speech.

Those who conflict with the Protest Warriors generally see them as acting
in a provoking or aggressive manner towards protestors, and that the
Protest Warrior signs are offensive. Many feel that the Protest Warriors
are deliberately confrontational and hostile to antagonize the otherwise
peaceful protestors. Some see the Protest Warriors' criticism of Islam as
bigoted. Others feel that the Protest Warriors, by choosing groups likely
to be agitated by their rhetoric as targets, are causing the very problem
they intend to demonstrate.

Diane Gerth
West End, St. Paul
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It seems to me, that when you bring 10's of thousands of people together in a
highly charged political atmosphere, there there is a good chance that
individuals and small groups of individuals that will attempt to take advantage
of the situation.

We've all seen massive protests that were organized by peaceful individuals
high-jacked by those who prefer violence as an alternative. I'm a little
surprised that ANYONE might suggest that our police shouldn't be concerned
about the protests that will happen during this convention, because the
protesters are PEACEFUL people.

I think that all of us in this forum (including Charlie and Mitch) share a
concern that the protests be handled in a manner the protects free speech and
individual rights. We might disagree on exactly how to do that. BUT, most of us
know that there is a real potential for violence during this event and that the
city MUST be prepared. I'm pretty sure its one of the obligations that we took
on, when our local Democratic leaders actively sought out the opportunity to
host this convention. (NOTE: I've been a part of local and national protests
and watched small groups of individuals try to use the peaceful events as cover
for their own violent agenda's).

I'm most concerned, that this entire topic seems to be motivated by
"anti-republican" rhetoric, more than any concern over "free speech," "law
enforcement," or anything else. The subject line itself, indicated the real
focus of the post - its Republicans. In the post, the author virtually chants
"republican silence" not in an attempt to inform any serious discussion, but in
an attempt to stir partisan passion and attack anyone who happens to be a
Republican.

The Republican convention will be in St. Paul at the request and desire of
local Democratic politicians. If the author of these posts were interested in
anything other than partisan attacks, she might focus her arguments on these
Democratic politicians who are responsible for bringing the convention here and
are making many of the decisions that she criticizes.

I find this entire argument to be unproductive and disruptive to this forum.
I'm interested in discussions about the logistics of the Republican convention.
I'm interested in discussions about how to make sure that the convention goes
off smoothly and that the citizens of St. Paul are not stuck taking on more
than we bargained for, when we bid against other cities for the privilage of
hosting this event. I'm even interested in hearing from those of you, who like
St. Paul to be a quiet place and wish the Republican convention and any other
large scale events would go away. I'm not really interested in listening to
those who are simply using the convention as a proxy by which they can make
ad-homen partisan attacks against Republicans.

Tomorrow is the Forth of July, part of FREE SPEECH is protecting the right of
political groups to convene and organize, even if we disagree with their
politics or policy. I suspect, that the silent majority of participants in this
forum are fine with us hosting this convention, their concerns are that the
city engage in all the necessary precautions to make sure that the event goes
off well AND that other governments and organizations fulfill their own
financial and logistical obligations in preparing for this event, so that St.
Paulites don't get left paying for more than we bargained for.

These overtly partisan arguments are really nothing more than a sad distraction
from dealing with the real issues that we face in our community.

Best wishes,

Tim Erickson
Hamline Midway

On Jul 3, 2007, at 2:49 PM, <email obscured> wrote:

> I stopped reading posts in this thread a long time ago.

Ditto. Like Erik, I read Tim's post and am also pretty much in
agreement and would leave it at that, but ...

republic |ripblik| |rpblk| |ripblk| |rpblk|
noun
a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their
elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated
president rather than a monarch.
 archaic figurative a community or group with a certain equality
between its members.

republican |ripblikn| |rpblkn| |ripblkn| |r
pblk()n|
adjective
(of a form of government, constitution, etc.) belonging to, or
characteristic of a republic.
 advocating or supporting republican government : the republican
movement.
noun
1 a person advocating or supporting republican government.
2 ( Republican) a member or supporter of the Republican Party.

Notice the small 'r' in republican. I suppose I am nitpicking, but
Republicans have lost some of the small 'r' characteristics of the
word over the years. And don't forget your small 'd' democrats as well.

I read Diane's as well, and followed the link to the audio of Mitch
and his buddies; I began listening, but awoke about an hour and a
half later having falling asleep almost immediately. I didn't start
over, and don't think I ever will unless in need of a soporific.

Tim makes some good points re: RNC.  Let's remember that the Twin Cities
applied for both Republican and Democratic conventions.  The Republicans RSVPed
first.  What is important is that the two cities approached this "together".
My guess is that both Coleman and Rybak would have preferred the Democratic
National Convention.  Both parties were seeking conventions in the middle of
the country.  That's where the purple states are.  The influence of the upper
midwest and the Rocky Mtn/southwest states should not be taken likely.

As to the protests--first actions by law enforcement, should it even be needed,
is to keep the parades and events within their permitted boundaries.  You can
get a parade permit to march from the capitol to the Xcel Center, but you have
to follow the permitted parade route.  Should you move outside of the parade
route, the first action is to ask you to get back to the route, then should you
refuse, the next action is to issue a warning, then a ticket.  Should a large
number of people need to be ticketed, then they might be moved off site to a
ticketing facility.  That's what Boston did.  Lots of tickets, but very few
arrests.  Saint Paul tickets for neighborhood complaints, parking violations,
moving violations, smoking and drinking violations, lots of violations that are
then handled through the ticketing process.  You get the ticket, you send in
the money that enters a guilty plea, or you show up in the "court" to protest
the ticket, or you leave town with your souvenir ticket and hope nothing ever
shows up on a computer system.

Rob Fulton
Highland Park

________________________________

From: Tim Erickson <email obscured>]
Sent: Tue 7/3/2007 2:30 PM
To: St. Paul Issues Forum
Subject: Re: [SPIF] Republican Silence, Who Pays for RNC?



It seems to me, that when you bring 10's of thousands of people together in a
highly charged political atmosphere, there there is a good chance that
individuals and small groups of individuals that will attempt to take advantage
of the situation.

We've all seen massive protests that were organized by peaceful individuals
high-jacked by those who prefer violence as an alternative. I'm a little
surprised that ANYONE might suggest that our police shouldn't be concerned
about the protests that will happen during this convention, because the
protesters are PEACEFUL people.

I think that all of us in this forum (including Charlie and Mitch) share a
concern that the protests be handled in a manner the protects free speech and
individual rights. We might disagree on exactly how to do that. BUT, most of us
know that there is a real potential for violence during this event and that the
city MUST be prepared. I'm pretty sure its one of the obligations that we took
on, when our local Democratic leaders actively sought out the opportunity to
host this convention. (NOTE: I've been a part of local and national protests
and watched small groups of individuals try to use the peaceful events as cover
for their own violent agenda's).

I'm most concerned, that this entire topic seems to be motivated by
"anti-republican" rhetoric, more than any concern over "free speech," "law
enforcement," or anything else. The subject line itself, indicated the real
focus of the post - its Republicans. In the post, the author virtually chants
"republican silence" not in an attempt to inform any serious discussion, but in
an attempt to stir partisan passion and attack anyone who happens to be a
Republican.

The Republican convention will be in St. Paul at the request and desire of
local Democratic politicians. If the author of these posts were interested in
anything other than partisan attacks, she might focus her arguments on these
Democratic politicians who are responsible for bringing the convention here and
are making many of the decisions that she criticizes.

I find this entire argument to be unproductive and disruptive to this forum.
I'm interested in discussions about the logistics of the Republican convention.
I'm interested in discussions about how to make sure that the convention goes
off smoothly and that the citizens of St. Paul are not stuck taking on more
than we bargained for, when we bid against other cities for the privilage of
hosting this event. I'm even interested in hearing from those of you, who like
St. Paul to be a quiet place and wish the Republican convention and any other
large scale events would go away. I'm not really interested in listening to
those who are simply using the convention as a proxy by which they can make
ad-homen partisan attacks against Republicans.

Tomorrow is the Forth of July, part of FREE SPEECH is protecting the right of
political groups to convene and organize, even if we disagree with their
politics or policy. I suspect, that the silent majority of participants in this
forum are fine with us hosting this convention, their concerns are that the
city engage in all the necessary precautions to make sure that the event goes
off well AND that other governments and organizations fulfill their own
financial and logistical obligations in preparing for this event, so that St.
Paulites don't get left paying for more than we bargained for.

These overtly partisan arguments are really nothing more than a sad distraction
from dealing with the real issues that we face in our community.

Best wishes,

Tim Erickson
Hamline Midway

Tim Erickson
Hamline Midway, St. Paul
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Wow.  Ya blew the lid off that one!  A bunch of people
who like to counter protest, who have *tons* of
tongue-in-cheek fun doing it, and parody (wickedly,
and with deadly accuracy) the self-righteousness and
occasional lunacy of the left's talking (and
protesting) points!  The horror of it all!  People you
disagree with *speaking freely*!

[sounds of people in Merriam Park shuddering in panic]

Now, in all of your crack research, did you find any
instances of PW inciting any violence?  Plotting to
shut down their opponents' protests, much less their
political activity?

No?  (No!)

So in other words, it's the *principle* of
conservatives exercising their right to speak freely
that terrifies you so much?

But Diane DID get one (and only one) thing right; I am
proud to call Protest Warrior my friends.  And I'm
going to do everything I can to support them and the
fun, sane point of view they'll bring to Saint Paul
during the convention.

Oooh!  Dissent!  Scary!

Mitch Berg
All about the free speech
The Midway

--- Diane Gerth <email obscured>> wrote:

> I was wrong about something in my earlier post.  The
> group that Mitch called "our friends" in his radio
> show last September is apparently back in business,
> as can be seen in their homepage:
> http://hq.protestwarrior.com/index.php
>
> With thrilling tales of "Operation Enemy
> Enlightenment II" and "Operation Hail to the Chief"
> we can get a glimpse of what is in store for St.
> Paul.  My personal favorite from the latter is the
> photo of the group riding the Metro, apparently
> carring their later-unveiled "Liberals can we riot
> now???" sign.
>
> But for the St. Paul content.  What will the Protest
> Warriors call their St. Paul activities?  "Operation
> Tiger Claw," "Operation Bias Check," and "Operation
> Halliburton Defense Force" have all been taken, so
> perhaps "Operation Old Man River" or "Operation
> Seven Corners" will work.  But since the main events
> are being held at the Xcel, something simple like
> "Operation X" might work.
>
> The "right wing bloggers" Mitch warns us will be
> there - cell phone cameras clutched in hand - are
> all over this:
>
> "Closed Circuit to my protest warrior brethren"
> http://psycmeistr.blog
>
spot.com/2007/06/closed-circuit-to-my-protest-warrior.html
>
> Diane Gerth
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Yawn.  Did everybody have a great holiday?

I feel that it just might be the biggest learning experience that ever came
to St.Paul.
The school age children will learn how the Republicans and The Democrats,
really feel about each other.
How the system works, and if the two party idea is right for them and their
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Hi All!

Warning -- if you are afraid of lit fuses, run away.

Not sure how apt this comparison is, but I am too tired to think too hard (save
your wisecracks...)

I spent several hours in Red Hot Minnepolis last Saturday.  Savvy concert goer
that I am, my daughter and I killed time at Glueks and Champps and let the
masses sweat in the endless lines.  Hey, we got reserved seats!  Why broil in
the hot sun and get all jazzed off?

Anaway, as Sid Hartman would say (and yes, I actually ran into him on Hennepin
and exchanged a greeting) these Price events were a huge disruption and
required tons of policing.  After the show we walked to US Bank plaza a half
mile away down a deserted 6th St and sat and waited for a ride.  I could not
believe that during the whole long evening downtown I did not see one rowdy
group of ruffians or one beggar or drug dealer.  Must have cost a small fortune
to sweep the streets like that.

So that as a little disruption.  But I think most of us were happy to have the
event.

Except for those foaming at the mouth evangelicals and assorted right wing hate
groups.

I guess the cops most have stopped their march before they could make the
pre-concert mess a full blown riot.  Or maybe, just maybe, as angry and hate
filled as those people are for Prince, they suffered in silence.

Not so the Left and I am sick of all the sugar coating and mewing and mawing
and hemming and hawing and tut tutting and wimpering (misspelled on purpose)
and whining on this list.

The RNC is coming.

It is a big deal for our town.

Don't eff it up.

But don't give me the BS that you would disaprove of violent disruption even if
you were too chicken to take part.

Oh, well, I guess that gets me a suspension but I am in an owly mood.

Lent my collectible car to my son who drove his friends around and totally
stunk it up with tobacco and god knows what else kind of smoke.

Smoking in MY cars is about the worst thing anyone can do to me.  I'm not sure
what that says about me but it is probably a psychosis of some kind.

I try to listen to what the participants say.  I try to understand. I often
think that the lofty likes of Mitch and me in my lower station are not read
that way.  We are prejudged and criticized and when we try to politely and dare
I say wittily criticize the majority squawkers we seem to be held to a
stricter, even mean-spirited standard.

Now I am gonna work off my elevated endorphine level by chugging around in my
1972 Bug which came down from storage for it's summer vacation in the Twin
Cities.

If you call keeping a car that you learned to drive in "conservative"  you got
me there.  36-years and we are still in love.

Cheers!

As it turns out, the local panhandling committee, expected to raise local funds
to support the Republican charity toward their delegates, reports in a Strib
article today that they are on-track with their contributions after an
admittedly slow start.  By July 15, they were due to raise $3.9 million of the
projected $60 million needed.  Host committee member Cindy Lesher absolutely
refuses, however, to state how much they have actually raised and further snaps
that she doesn’t have to explain why either.  I will leave it to Issues List
readers to conclude what that refusal means.  The article in today’s Strib is
at http://www.startribune.com/587/story/1302213.html

Meanwhile, comedian Mo Rocca is in town this weekend to prepare his comedic
response to the September 1, 2008, convention for the Tonight Show.  The
article from yesterday’s paper is at
http://www.startribune.com/587/story/1295569.html

While the comedy skits will be ready, to my knowledge there is still no $50
million federal government funding for the “special security zone” that
conventions need, nor for the $39 million in guarantees that the state of
Minnesota had committed to provide.

So it still looks like the terms of the contract that Minneapolis and St Paul
signed with the Republican party have not been met.  And, as far as I can see,
St Paul is still on the hook for most of the expenses.

Even worse than the money questions is the general question of preparation for
the massive protests.  It is still not legal under St Paul ordinance to begin
negotiating with any of the groups planning up to 100,000 protesters for where
the route will be or where the porta-potties will be or any other details of
the protest itself, likely to involve at least twice as many citizens as the
convention itself.

No money for arrangements.  No money for planning.  No negotiating about the
protest route.  Not even any specific information about how much money has been
raised so far.

There is some planning, of course.  If you want to be involved with planning
the protest, there is a meeting at the Sabathani Center on 38th Street just
east of I-35W on Saturday, July 21, at 4:30 in the afternoon.  If you are a
lawyer wanting to know more about the law and its application to the
convention, you could go to the workshop at Hamline University Law School this
Thursday, July 19, from 8:30 to 1, information at
www.aclu-mn.org/takeaction/clefreedomofspeech.htm 3.5 CLE units are offered.

Sorry to downplay the conservative victimhood, again, but this thread
isn't really about whether or not the Republicans should be allowed to
grace our fair city with their benevolent presence, but who's going to
foot the bill.  Given that the Republican Governor and the Republican
POTUS have both passed that buck, the concern strikes me as, ultimately,
very legitimate.  So, good, let the GOP pay for their own convention,
then.  Fine with me, as long as police service isn't provided by a
privatized liturgical army like Blackwater.

I agree with Charley Underwood, though.  You'd think if pay-your-own-way
were ackshully the attainable goal, the fund-raining committee would be
less reticent about how much they've ackshully raised.

Honestly, with the attitudes displayed in some of the off-topic
diatribes tangential to this thread, one can only hope it doesn't
reflect the attitudes Republican delegates will be bringing with them.
I mean, we all know that all liberals eat sushi and drive Volvos all the
time; but if all the GOP delegates are all coming here to take all the
chips off all their shoulders and place them on public display, there'll
definitely be a bigger bill to pay than reasonable estimates might have
foreseen.

Maybe they'll be so busy sorting out the Hollywood-lovers in their own
midst they won't have time to worry about who's protesting in what
park.  Or maybe they'll be so fed up with national policy by then
they'll be joining the protesters.

Body-pierced latte drinker or not, that visual's got to crack you up.

Guy Western
the West Side

Mitch Berg wrote:
> Sorry to burst y'all's bubbles, but it looks like the
> GOP, as usual, will come through:
>
> http://www.startribune.com/587/story/1302213.html
>
> Face it, Dems:  we're here.  We're Conservative.  And
> we're not going away.
>
> As much fear and hatred as that seems to arouse in
> some of you folks.
>
> Mitch Berg
> Greater defender of freedom than thou
> The Midway
>
> --- Kelly <email obscured>> wrote:
>
>
>> The subject of this thread is and has been "Who pays
>> for RNC?" Did I miss a news broadcast?
>>
>> 1) Did the Republican president authorize the $50
>> million for security and the check is on the way?
>>
>> 2) Did the Republican governor guarantee to cover
>> the costs  with state funding if the other funding
>> falls through?
>>
>> 3) Are Republicans on this list and elsewhere
>> working hard to meet all of the fundraising goals of
>> the non-profit that they set up to pay for this?
>>
>> So where is the talk of fiscal responsibility?
>>
>> Or are Republicans just going to muddy the talk with
>> "crime" talk, like its a crime to ask "Who pays for
>> RNC?"
>>
>> So how about some "personal responsibility" talk?
>>
>> How about the "personally responsible" Republicans
>> urge Republican President Bush to authorize the $50
>> million for security, in personal letters and on
>> this list?
>>
>> How about the "personally responsible" Republicans
>> urge (in personal letters and on this list)
>> Republican Governor Pawlenty to guarantee to cover
>> the costs  with state funding if the other funding
>> falls through?
>>
>> How about the "personally responsible" Republicans
>> in St Paul, each split the RNC fundraising needed
>> and do his or her own share, then brag about it on
>> this list?
>>
>> I await the display of "personally responsible"
>> Republicans with the answers to  "Who pays for RNC?"
>>
>>
>> Grace Kelly nicknamed Kelly
>> Curmudgeon in Merriam Park
>>
>>
>>
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Let's try these in order:

--- Guy Western <email obscured>> wrote:

> Sorry to downplay the conservative victimhood,
> again, but this thread
> isn't really about whether or not the Republicans
> should be allowed to
> grace our fair city with their benevolent presence,
> but who's going to
> foot the bill.

Guy's failed attempt at clairvoyance aside (who said
anything about victimhood?  Oh, except for all of you
who continually whinge about the nonexistant "threats"
to your civil liberties, of course.  I suppose that's
different) my previous post on the subject
(http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/post/4NaJj5aTO7erI5O0wC0LOt)
showed that the GOP is on track to pay its freight.

Unlike the DNC, it seems, which is falling well short
of its goals for its Denver convention.

> Given that the Republican Governor
> and the Republican
> POTUS have both passed that buck, the concern
> strikes me as, ultimately,
> very legitimate.

And, since the GOP's fundraising is on track, utterly
moot.

> I agree with Charley Underwood, though.  You'd think
> if pay-your-own-way
> were ackshully the attainable goal, the fund-raining
> committee would be
> less reticent about how much they've ackshully
> raised.

Alternate - and accurate - explanation:  It's private
money, so the amounts involved are none of your
business.  The GOP and the convention's organizers
know that there's an absolute imperative to have a
successful convention, which starts with successful
fundraising.  It'll work.

> I mean, we all know that all liberals eat sushi

As, it happens, do I.

Mr. Underwood, like Guy, apparently feels himself a
clairvoyant:

> The local goal was "met"

The word you're looking for is Met.  The scare quotes
imply that there's some qualification that is nowhere
in evidence, unless you're holding something out on
us.

>  according to the
> article that you and I both
> referenced, but local organizers are
> apparently still too ashamed to specify
> how much they have in pledges.

"Ashamed?"  Really?

You have some source that attributes this sense of
phantom "shame?"  Please favor us.

Or is this, like the phantom civil liberties threats,
just another defamatory red herring being tossed out
by people who fear and hate genuine dissent and
diversity of opinion?

Mitch Berg
More liberal than thou
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I am still wondering where all of the money for the Republican National
Convention is coming from.

From WCCO, I read that "Minnesota and the Twin Cities will get close to $20
million to enhance emergency preparedness, disaster response and intelligence
sharing.... the money wasn't directly tied to planning for the Republican
National Convention, but it could help Minnesota become better prepared for
that major event."

Yet it is not really clear what this money is for. On the blog, The Big
Question, in the article "Guestposter Mark Brunswick on the homeland security
lottery", they say "In 2004, Edina got itself a $189,000 grant to buy a
custom-made armored car with rotating turrets and gun mounts to deal with
weapons of mass destruction in five Minneapolis suburbs."

Does our St Paul security money get to be spent as we determine? For example,
could St Paul spend the security money in extra police hours for the RNC or
does it have to be spent on something as incredibly stupid as "a custom-made
armored car with rotating turrets and gun mounts"? Just imagine our police
going after peace advocates in our city with "a custom-made armored car with
rotating turrets and gun mounts".

This little old lady wonders if there is any sanity left in our federal
government.

Where is that money for the RNC?

Grace Kelly nicknamed Kelly
Merriam Park Curmudgeon checkout the thickness of walls in her basement

Funding for security seems to be a moot issue if a state letter of credit
guaranteeing the Host Committee's $39 million in fund-raising is not issued by
August 1 (in one week). Meanwhile, the Governor is busy in Michigan assuming
the chairmanship of the National Governors Association. Is anyone in charge of
securing the letter of credit and ensuring that St. Paul remains a viable host
community?

Douglas Petty
MacGroveland

"Does the St Paul mayor and city council have the guts to do the fiscally
responsible thing and let the RNC go to Tampa?"
Grace Kelly:

Affidavit's in response:   Candidate's Ward 2 Sharon  Anderson Fiduicary
Watchdog's
Pray Tell
1. No wonder the City of St. Paul can't handle the RNC   We can't budget our
own Fiduciary
Contracts on the backs of the poor with all these
"Forgivable Loans published on St. Paul HRA Agenda today

" Bill Dahn states:  " Forgive all parking tickets"
Sharon now beinging victimized by the Citys False Statements:  charging
excessive consumption
fees over $240.oo hour is Bizzare: Ratification of Assessments  based on
Theft, Trespass, Treason
_http://impeachments.blogspot.com_ (http://impeachments.blogspot.com)
Stealing Cars stating Abandoned on Private property fully  licensed insured,
then selling
at police impound lot run by indicted Murderer aaron foster  re: Barb Winn


Agree _http://sicko-citystpaul.blogspot.com_
(http://sicko-citystpaul.blogspot.com)    _http://sharons-foia.blogspot.com_
(http://sharons-foia.blogspot.com)     Look at todays agenda
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what the hell is a forgivable  loan???

Forgivabl_http://service.govdelivery.com/docs/STPAUL/STPAUL_DeptCityCouncil/ST
PAUL_65/STPAUL_65_20070725_en.pdf_
(http://service.govdelivery.com/docs/STPAUL/STPAUL_DeptCityCouncil/STPAUL_65/STPAUL_65_20070725_en.pdf)
e loan
scroJuly 25, 2007 City Council Agenda Page 6
HOUSING AND  REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
OF THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
Wednesday,  July 25, 2007
2:00 . 3:00 P.M.
City Council Chambers, Third  Floor
Saint Paul City Hall
Kelly Bauer, Assistant Secretary
(651)  266-6604
AGENDA
ROLL CALL
CONSENT AGENDA
1. Approval  of the July 11, 2007 meeting minutes.
DISCUSSION
2. Resolution Approving  and Authorizing Execution of a Memorandum of
Understanding
with Nedu, LLC  for the Dale Street Village on University Project, and
Approval of  a
$430,000 Forgivable Loan for the Acquisition of 591 University Avenue,
District 7.
3. Designation of City Center Retail, LLC as Tentative  Developer for the
HRA-owned Seven
Corners Gateway Site, District  17
STAFF REPORT
4. Quarterly HRA Board Financial Update.3ol to end of  agenda

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I see that the letter of credit will likely be on the agenda of a special
legislative session.

Douglas Petty
MacGroveland