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From: Grace Kelly (nicknamed Kelly) Date: May 08 17:08 UTC Short link

Basically, any business takes a risk in dealing with political entities. This
year, the Republican political party entities have been particularly short on
fundraising and had a number of financial scandals(I am not digressing in
details to stay on St Paul focus). So I ask you all to let our local businesses
know about this. Ask for payment before services are given or goods are
delivered. Or at least, let the businesses take a knowledgeable risk. I would
hate to see a real great small catering company get hurt because of not knowing
about this. Here is a sample of what I mean. I quote:


It is not the accounting issues, it is the hypocrisy
Submitted by Stephen (not verified) on May 8, 2008 - 11:42am.

True, it is not the accounting issues, it is the consistent hypocrisy.

I worked for a company that provided conference space, catering and
entertainment for a republican sponsored event several years ago. The total
bill was over $50,000. The republican party of Minnesota paid about $20,000,
then said the person who organized the event was not authorized to spend that
much so they were not going to pay the rest. Ron Eibensteiner wrote a personal
check for $9,000, and our company wrote the rest off. It was sickening a couple
weeks later when I saw Eibensteiner on Almanac talking about how the republican
party was the only party who could control spending, they couldn't even control
themselves.

http://tinyurl.com/3qvswg

Grace Kelly nicknamed Kelly
Curmudgeon in Merriam Park

From: Charlie Swope Date: May 08 17:32 UTC Short link

Kelly,

You're not mixing these people up with the Clinton campaign are you? Hillary
has stiffed her fair share of small vendors, to the tune of more than $10
million so far.

This isn't just a Republican issue.

Charlie


--- On Thu, 5/8/08, Grace Kelly (nicknamed Kelly)
<<email obscured>> wrote:

> From: Grace Kelly (nicknamed Kelly) <<email obscured>>
> Subject: [SPIF] Warning businesses - Republican National Convention
> To: "St. Paul Issues Forum" <<email obscured>>
> Date: Thursday, May 8, 2008, 12:09 PM
> Basically, any business takes a risk in dealing with
> political entities. This year, the Republican political
> party entities have been particularly short on fundraising
> and had a number of financial scandals(I am not digressing
> in details to stay on St Paul focus). So I ask you all to
> let our local businesses know about this. Ask for payment
> before services are given or goods are delivered. Or at
> least, let the businesses take a knowledgeable risk. I
> would hate to see a real great small catering company get
> hurt because of not knowing about this. Here is a sample of
> what I mean. I quote:
>
>
> It is not the accounting issues, it is the hypocrisy
> Submitted by Stephen (not verified) on May 8, 2008 -
> 11:42am.
>
> True, it is not the accounting issues, it is the consistent
> hypocrisy.
>
> I worked for a company that provided conference space,
> catering and entertainment for a republican sponsored event
> several years ago. The total bill was over $50,000. The
> republican party of Minnesota paid about $20,000, then said
> the person who organized the event was not authorized to
> spend that much so they were not going to pay the rest. Ron
> Eibensteiner wrote a personal check for $9,000, and our
> company wrote the rest off. It was sickening a couple weeks
> later when I saw Eibensteiner on Almanac talking about how
> the republican party was the only party who could control
> spending, they couldn't even control themselves.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3qvswg
>
> Grace Kelly nicknamed Kelly
> Curmudgeon in Merriam Park
>
>
> Grace (nicknamed Kelly) Kelly
> Merriam Park, St Paul
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From: Chuck Repke Date: May 08 17:55 UTC Short link

And it isn't new.  All of us who have been involved in politics for a  long
time know that political campaigns have to pay a huge connect charge for
telephone service because the 1968 Humphrey campaign stuck AT&T for a
multi-million phone bill back then paying one cent per thousand dollars owed at
the
settlement.

JMONTOMEPPOF

Chuck Repke


In a message dated 5/8/2008 12:33:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
<email obscured> writes:

Kelly,

You're not mixing these people up with the Clinton  campaign are you? Hillary
has stiffed her fair share of small vendors, to the  tune of more than $10
million so far.

This isn't just a Republican  issue.

Charlie


--- On Thu, 5/8/08, Grace Kelly (nicknamed  Kelly)
<<email obscured>> wrote:

> From: Grace  Kelly (nicknamed Kelly) <<email obscured>>
> Subject:  [SPIF] Warning businesses - Republican National Convention
> To: "St.  Paul Issues Forum" <<email obscured>>
> Date:  Thursday, May 8, 2008, 12:09 PM
> Basically, any business takes a risk  in dealing with
> political entities. This year, the Republican  political
> party entities have been particularly short on  fundraising
> and had a number of financial scandals(I am not  digressing
> in details to stay on St Paul focus). So I ask you all  to
> let our local businesses know about this. Ask for payment
>  before services are given or goods are delivered. Or at
> least, let the  businesses take a knowledgeable risk. I
> would hate to see a real great  small catering company get
> hurt because of not knowing about this.  Here is a sample of
> what I mean. I quote:
>
>
> It  is not the accounting issues, it is the hypocrisy
> Submitted by Stephen  (not verified) on May 8, 2008 -
> 11:42am.
>
> True, it is  not the accounting issues, it is the consistent
> hypocrisy.
>
> I worked for a company that provided conference space,
>  catering and entertainment for a republican sponsored event
> several  years ago. The total bill was over $50,000. The
> republican party of  Minnesota paid about $20,000, then said
> the person who organized the  event was not authorized to
> spend that much so they were not going to  pay the rest. Ron
> Eibensteiner wrote a personal check for $9,000, and  our
> company wrote the rest off. It was sickening a couple  weeks
> later when I saw Eibensteiner on Almanac talking about  how
> the republican party was the only party who could control
>  spending, they couldn't even control themselves.
>
>  http://tinyurl.com/3qvswg
>
> Grace Kelly nicknamed Kelly
>  Curmudgeon in Merriam Park
>
>
> Grace (nicknamed Kelly)  Kelly
> Merriam Park, St Paul
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From: Anne Carroll Date: May 08 18:35 UTC Short link

Thanks to Chuck and others for pointing out that this isn't new, and to add,
it's a problem for all elected offices and all parties. Others have
appropriately railed against the big campaigns that do have both the money
and systems in place to have no excuses. I will note, however, that
sometimes smaller local campaigns with all-volunteer operations simply lose
track of invoices that may be sent to the candidate, treasurer, campaign
manager, or who knows who else. It can be particularly challenging to get
everything sorted out after the election is over and especially if the
candidate loses. Just a few weeks ago, for example, I helped a vendor track
down a former candidate -- who had no idea there was an outstanding invoice,
was mortified to find out it hadn't been paid, and of course paid it
immediately.

I'm most grateful that the vast majority of local St. Paul candidates over
the years have been honest and responsible people running relatively
organized campaigns and paying vendors on time -- I've certainly been lucky
to have both volunteers and vendors who did great work and kept everything
working smoothly and on time. I'm also glad the vendors that so many of us
local candidates use do such high quality work, are flexible and patient
with candidates' sometimes crazy requests (speaking just for myself, of
course ;-), and are creative and persistent in finding and working with
people when something gets out of whack.

We CAN make this work so much easier because we ARE local, this IS a
community, and we DO talk with each other. But all local vendors of course
need to watch out for individuals and organizations of any kind that pop in
for short and high-profile events and obviously have no investment in or
relationship with either the community or the vendor. And given the trusting
nature of local businesses and the madness that surrounds any convention,
it's just good business sense to plan ahead and be much more conservative
about forms and timing of payments for any goods or services.

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