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St. Paul Challenge: "Love the House. Hate the Neighborhood"
by Tanur Badgley, TC Daily Planet • Wearing an oversized winter coat with his
hood up and gloveless hands in his pockets Tim Goss stood on the front porch of
the newly renovated house he calls home – for now.

“I love the house. Hate the neighborhood.”

Who was Jimmy Lee? His name on a recreation center is no assurance of
recognition in St. Paul history
byCharles Hallman,Minnesota Spokesman-Recorder• “I never met him or knew who he
was,” admits Dusty Horton, a Jimmy Lee Center recreation leader. “There’s a
mural of him on the back side of the old building, in the parking lot, facing
the football [field].”

MACALESTER ORANGE | Little Szechuan: Authentic Chinese cuisine in St. Paul
by Todd Skauge • First to start my blog post I have to say 新年快乐！The Chinese New
Year has come, and as a Chinese major here at Mac, I felt it was my duty to
celebrate in proper fashion. And I thought there was no better way to do so
than to hit up one of the best restaurants in town, Little Szechuan. Voted
among the top 50 Chinese restaurants in America by CNN’s travel site, Little
Szechuan is an authentic dining experience located right here in the Twin
Cities.

Dear TC Daily Planet & Mr Badgley,

I am offended by the cheap shot title and opening paragraph of the article
"Love the home, hate the neighborhood."

Your article, read in full, is not about violence, nor the home rehabbing of
GFCDC, nor the problems surrounding St Paul Grocery. It is an article about a
variety of struggles, people's perceptions of the area, and the good work and
change occurring in Frogtown.

Why then would you sell the article - and my neighborhood - short with such a
degrading title? Leading off with fear-mongering about people getting shot is
a way to grab attention and get website traffic, but it ignores the complexity
of situations and plays into old stereotypes repeated all too often. Want to
write an article about gun violence in the neighborhood? Research the stories,
then, and find the nuances overlooked by just a mention of hearsay.

Leading off with a title and intro about the good work being done in Frogtown
to address foreclosure and vacancy would do your article justice and honor the
residents you are writing about.

I am a homeowner in Frogtown. I love my house AND I love my neighborhood. I
feel safe here, and am enriched because of my neighbors and the organizations
around me.

Please use your journalistic creativity and training for more courageous and
enlightening articles.

Thanks.

Given that TC Planet has less than zero journalistic credentials, why give them
any attention at all. I have complained many times to e-Democracy about TC
Planet's even being allowed to spew its drivel on the forums. They are not
individuals looking to stir debate over some issue. All they do is empty a
dustbin of garbage. TC Planet should be banned.

Sent from my iPad
John Ferman
Kingfield Neighborhood
Minneapolis, MN
Email in header

On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:31 AM, "Elise Probasco" <<email obscured>> wrote:

> Dear TC Daily Planet & Mr Badgley,
>
> I am offended by the cheap shot title and opening paragraph of the article
"Love the home, hate the neighborhood."
>
> Your article, read in full, is not about violence, nor the home rehabbing of
GFCDC, nor the problems surrounding St Paul Grocery. It is an article about a
variety of struggles, people's perceptions of the area, and the good work and
change occurring in Frogtown.
>
> Why then would you sell the article - and my neighborhood - short with such a
degrading title? Leading off with fear-mongering about people getting shot is
a way to grab attention and get website traffic, but it ignores the complexity
of situations and plays into old stereotypes repeated all too often. Want to
write an article about gun violence in the neighborhood? Research the stories,
then, and find the nuances overlooked by just a mention of hearsay.
>
> Leading off with a title and intro about the good work being done in Frogtown
to address foreclosure and vacancy would do your article justice and honor the
residents you are writing about.
>
> I am a homeowner in Frogtown. I love my house AND I love my neighborhood. I
feel safe here, and am enriched because of my neighbors and the organizations
around me.
>
> Please use your journalistic creativity and training for more courageous and
enlightening articles.
>
> Thanks.
> Elise Probasco
> Frogtown, St Paul
> About/contact Elise Probasco:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/187BISan7lvJp6qqJsmVul
>
> View full topic or share online:
> http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2NAmZxJQWGN4TUTCyaNcTH
>
> * Virtual BeNeighbors.org booth and video from a recent conference:
> http://bit.ly/virtbooth
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I agree with jack's post

On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Jack's USI <<email obscured>> wrote:

> Given that TC Planet has less than zero journalistic credentials, why give
them any attention at all. I have complained many times to e-Democracy about TC
Planet's even being allowed to spew its drivel on the forums. They are not
individuals looking to stir debate over some issue. All they do is empty a
dustbin of garbage. TC Planet should be banned.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> John Ferman
> Kingfield Neighborhood
> Minneapolis, MN
> Email in header
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:31 AM, "Elise Probasco" <<email obscured>> wrote:
>
>> Dear TC Daily Planet & Mr Badgley,
>>
>> I am offended by the cheap shot title and opening paragraph of the article
"Love the home, hate the neighborhood."
>>
>> Your article, read in full, is not about violence, nor the home rehabbing of
GFCDC, nor the problems surrounding St Paul Grocery. It is an article about a
variety of struggles, people's perceptions of the area, and the good work and
change occurring in Frogtown.
>>
>> Why then would you sell the article - and my neighborhood - short with such
a degrading title? Leading off with fear-mongering about people getting shot
is a way to grab attention and get website traffic, but it ignores the
complexity of situations and plays into old stereotypes repeated all too often.
Want to write an article about gun violence in the neighborhood? Research the
stories, then, and find the nuances overlooked by just a mention of hearsay.
>>
>> Leading off with a title and intro about the good work being done in
Frogtown to address foreclosure and vacancy would do your article justice and
honor the residents you are writing about.
>>
>> I am a homeowner in Frogtown. I love my house AND I love my neighborhood. I
feel safe here, and am enriched because of my neighbors and the organizations
around me.
>>
>> Please use your journalistic creativity and training for more courageous and
enlightening articles.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Elise Probasco
>> Frogtown, St Paul
>> About/contact Elise Probasco:
http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/187BISan7lvJp6qqJsmVul
>>
>> View full topic or share online:
>> http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2NAmZxJQWGN4TUTCyaNcTH
>>
>> * Virtual BeNeighbors.org booth and video from a recent conference:
>> http://bit.ly/virtbooth
>>

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> Jack Ferman
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Thanks, everyone.

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It would be laugh out loud funny that someone is calling for the TC Daily
Planet to be "banned"—on an e-democracy forum. If it weren't kind of creepy and
ignorant.

Even talking about the "TC Daily Planet" as if it were some monolithic single
entity is missing the point. It's a community newspaper, there's a ton of
coverage from all kinds of random community writers. That's not a single puddle
you're looking at, it's a collection of many raindrops. As such the quality and
the opinions are going to vary.

Some people who live in your neighborhoods aren't as content as you are. They
have the right to express their discontent, even if it stems from their
classism and privilege and ill-thought-out expression of what they're trying to
say. And you have the right to not like what they right.

That's a good thing. It's healthy. The Twin Cities Daily Planet project is a
community engagement and literacy project. It's not a polished, single-view,
factory line. It's more organic like that, structured more like a river.

The mainstream media in this country provides an inadequate and often
detrimental window to our world. Local, alternative news divorced from profit
as a goal, are part of the increasing movement towards the Local.

Community-focused news projects are structured and function very differently
than commercial media organizations. They deserve support and understanding of
their developing role in the community, not Medieval calls for "banning" and
people not even thinking through that enough going "I agree". On an e-democracy
forum. That'd be funny if it weren't so shameful and creepy.

I'd be curious what St. Paul stories Minneapolitan John Ferman thinks were
drivel on TCDP.

I don't recall specific complaints about the substance of any specific
articles shared on the forum other than the headline of this article.

I am all for media accountability, but let's show some substance.

Back the topic at hand whether people feel safe block by block in different
parts of St. Paul ... anyone seen any good heat maps showing crime
concentrations over time in St. Paul?

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On Feb 26, 2013 4:32 PM, "Nigel Parry" <<email obscured>> wrote:

> It would be laugh out loud funny that someone is calling for the TC Daily
> Planet to be "banned"on an e-democracy forum. If it weren't kind of creepy
> and ignorant.
>
> Even talking about the "TC Daily Planet" as if it were some monolithic
> single entity is missing the point. It's a community newspaper, there's a
> ton of coverage from all kinds of random community writers. That's not a
> single puddle you're looking at, it's a collection of many raindrops. As
> such the quality and the opinions are going to vary.
>
> Some people who live in your neighborhoods aren't as content as you are.
> They have the right to express their discontent, even if it stems from
> their classism and privilege and ill-thought-out expression of what they're
> trying to say. And you have the right to not like what they right.
>
> That's a good thing. It's healthy. The Twin Cities Daily Planet project is
> a community engagement and literacy project. It's not a polished,
> single-view, factory line. It's more organic like that, structured more
> like a river.
>
> The mainstream media in this country provides an inadequate and often
> detrimental window to our world. Local, alternative news divorced from
> profit as a goal, are part of the increasing movement towards the Local.
>
> Community-focused news projects are structured and function very
> differently than commercial media organizations. They deserve support and
> understanding of their developing role in the community, not Medieval calls
> for "banning" and people not even thinking through that enough going "I
> agree". On an e-democracy forum. That'd be funny if it weren't so shameful
> and creepy.
>
> Nigel Parry
> Lowertown, Saint Paul
> About/contact Nigel Parry:
> http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/29TTQxh167NJgMitchS2rR
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> http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/6DDLtux4B30HrkU9oXrm3d
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> http://bit.ly/virtbooth
>

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Crime is a reality in Frogtown - and a major concern for the resident who was
quoted in this article. Of course, it is not the only news coming out of
Frogtown - as anyone can see by looking at the articles we have published about
Frogtown, collected on this and subsequent pages: www dot
tcdailyplanet.net/neighborhood/saint+paul/thomas+dale

Most recent articles listed below - and we're open to anyone's suggestions for
more articles from / about Frogtown.

Filipino foods featured at Phil-Oriental Foods in St. Paul
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2012/11/26/filipino-foods-featured-phil-oriental-foods-st-paul-along-malaysian-indo-chinese-car

Taking Care of Business on the Central Corridor - the good, the bad, the ugly
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2012/11/24/taking-care-business-central-corridor-good-bad-ugly

Cheng Heng: Little Mekong's Cambodian outpost in St. Paul
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2012/11/13/cheng-heng-little-mekongs-cambodian-outpost

THEATER REVIEW | "Happy Cafe" brings frantic mirth to the Central Corridor
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/arts/theater/happy-cafe-review

Trials of Central Corridor construction continue in St. Paul
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2012/08/11/trials-central-corridor-construction-continue-st-paul

'The Alphabet Place': Amy Unger's passion for literacy leads to an interactive
art exhibit
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2012/08/03/alphabet-place-amy-ungers-passion-literacy-leads-interactive-art-exhibit

>From the ashes, Amir's garden grows a vision of the future in St. Paul's
Frogtown neighborhood
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2012/08/02/ashes-amirs-garden-grows-vision-future-st-pauls-frogtown-neighborhood

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