appropriate. For, myself and my family, we are all safe and sound.
Member Roll Call
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Good idea. Save and sound in Merriam Park. I was working on a project in
the basement and when I emerged at 8:30 learned that our safe little world
had been badly shaken.
This is a bridge I seldom cross but many co-workers report going under it.
Were there any 'under it injuries?'
Jeanne Weigum
very glad to be safe and sound in MP
the basement and when I emerged at 8:30 learned that our safe little world
had been badly shaken.
This is a bridge I seldom cross but many co-workers report going under it.
Were there any 'under it injuries?'
Jeanne Weigum
very glad to be safe and sound in MP
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From: "Michael Schoenberg" <<email obscured>>
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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:56
Subject: [SPIF] Member Roll Call
> In light of the I-35W bridge collapse, I wonder if a member's roll call is
> appropriate. For, myself and my family, we are all safe and sound.
> Mike Schoenberg
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From: "Michael Schoenberg" <<email obscured>>
To: <stpaul-issues@forums.e-democracy.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:56
Subject: [SPIF] Member Roll Call
> In light of the I-35W bridge collapse, I wonder if a member's roll call is
> appropriate. For, myself and my family, we are all safe and sound.
> Mike Schoenberg
> MacGroveland, St. Paul
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Safe as could be.
I was in Fridley with my son. Daughter was at home
and called me with the news. My little brother lives
in a high-rise about a mile upstream, but was working
in Plymouth.
A fellow MOB blogger, pen-name "Sisyphus", was on an
excursion boat on a company summer junket, in the St.
Anthony Lock - just upstream of the bridge, downbound
- and reported on the whole thing:
http://www.fraterslibertas.com/2007/08/witness.html
I very rarely crossed that bridge - maybe 2-3 times a
year at most, since I left NE Minneapolis - but the
view of D/T Minneapolis while driving south at night
was spectacular - one of the things I showed friends,
relatives and newcomers when I'd show 'em around town
(along with St. Paul coming north on the High Bridge
or Lafayette at night).
I blame those damned Serbs.
Mitch Berg
The Midway (who has never been happier to work in St.
Paul, and leave that commute to Minnetonka behind,
than this morning as he watched the west"bound"
traffic below the Pascal overpass...)
I was in Fridley with my son. Daughter was at home
and called me with the news. My little brother lives
in a high-rise about a mile upstream, but was working
in Plymouth.
A fellow MOB blogger, pen-name "Sisyphus", was on an
excursion boat on a company summer junket, in the St.
Anthony Lock - just upstream of the bridge, downbound
- and reported on the whole thing:
http://www.fraterslibertas.com/2007/08/witness.html
I very rarely crossed that bridge - maybe 2-3 times a
year at most, since I left NE Minneapolis - but the
view of D/T Minneapolis while driving south at night
was spectacular - one of the things I showed friends,
relatives and newcomers when I'd show 'em around town
(along with St. Paul coming north on the High Bridge
or Lafayette at night).
I blame those damned Serbs.
Mitch Berg
The Midway (who has never been happier to work in St.
Paul, and leave that commute to Minnetonka behind,
than this morning as he watched the west"bound"
traffic below the Pascal overpass...)
--- Jeanne Weigum <<email obscured>> wrote:
> Good idea. Save and sound in Merriam Park. I was
> working on a project in
> the basement and when I emerged at 8:30 learned that
> our safe little world
> had been badly shaken.
>
> This is a bridge I seldom cross but many co-workers
> report going under it.
> Were there any 'under it injuries?'
>
> Jeanne Weigum
> very glad to be safe and sound in MP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:56
> Subject: [SPIF] Member Roll Call
>
>
> > In light of the I-35W bridge collapse, I wonder if
> a member's roll call is
> > appropriate. For, myself and my family, we are all
> safe and sound.
> > Mike Schoenberg
> > MacGroveland, St. Paul
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> Good idea. Save and sound in Merriam Park. I was
> working on a project in
> the basement and when I emerged at 8:30 learned that
> our safe little world
> had been badly shaken.
>
> This is a bridge I seldom cross but many co-workers
> report going under it.
> Were there any 'under it injuries?'
>
> Jeanne Weigum
> very glad to be safe and sound in MP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Schoenberg" <<email obscured>>
> To: <stpaul-issues@forums.e-democracy.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:56
> Subject: [SPIF] Member Roll Call
>
>
> > In light of the I-35W bridge collapse, I wonder if
> a member's roll call is
> > appropriate. For, myself and my family, we are all
> safe and sound.
> > Mike Schoenberg
> > MacGroveland, St. Paul
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My wife normally leaves the new Guthrie/Mill City parking ramp at 6:00 and
drives under the bridge on W River Rd five minutes later. Yesterday she worked
through lunch and left 30 minutes early.
A guy in my lab drove over the bridge at 5:50 en route to the Twins game.
So much luck. So much rotten luck.
I am resisting a rant on the Third Worldization of this country's
infrastructure on account of the outpouring of money to pay for "other things,"
but I can't hold out much longer...
AMH
Armstrong Av
drives under the bridge on W River Rd five minutes later. Yesterday she worked
through lunch and left 30 minutes early.
A guy in my lab drove over the bridge at 5:50 en route to the Twins game.
So much luck. So much rotten luck.
I am resisting a rant on the Third Worldization of this country's
infrastructure on account of the outpouring of money to pay for "other things,"
but I can't hold out much longer...
AMH
Armstrong Av
My buddy's Rotary Club meeting was attended by Dan McElroy this morning. His
reaction to the coming tide of comments regarding the short-sightedness of
under-funding infrastructure for the sake of reducing taxes for... well, you
know... -was that the blame should be on Quie or Carlson. Uh, yeah. Sure.
At any rate, I was with Chuck about the Lafayette. That thing did see some big
re-hab work fairly recently (Or was it--- I seem to be getting too old to note
the real passage of time...) but I still get the heebie-jeebies when I'm on it.
It is the world's longest concrete bridge, no? And from the 20s?
Yikes.
And, has anyone else noticed the rust-through on the bridge supports on that RR
bridge under Robert St? I saw that last summer, and I just figured, well, they
have to know what they're doing....
reaction to the coming tide of comments regarding the short-sightedness of
under-funding infrastructure for the sake of reducing taxes for... well, you
know... -was that the blame should be on Quie or Carlson. Uh, yeah. Sure.
At any rate, I was with Chuck about the Lafayette. That thing did see some big
re-hab work fairly recently (Or was it--- I seem to be getting too old to note
the real passage of time...) but I still get the heebie-jeebies when I'm on it.
It is the world's longest concrete bridge, no? And from the 20s?
Yikes.
And, has anyone else noticed the rust-through on the bridge supports on that RR
bridge under Robert St? I saw that last summer, and I just figured, well, they
have to know what they're doing....
Has anyone heard a peep out of Transportation
Commissioner Molnau? I should have thought she'd be
out front on an issue like this.
Commissioner Molnau? I should have thought she'd be
out front on an issue like this.
The Governor said she was in China and was taking the first available flight
back
Flash
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> Has anyone heard a peep out of Transportation
> Commissioner Molnau? I should have thought she'd be
> out front on an issue like this.
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Me and mine are safe, thanks for asking. I pray that every SPIFer can say
the same for themselves and their loved ones.
FWIW, Catholic Charities of the Twin Cities just sent out an email
suggesting that people contact the Red Cross with donations. Lutheran
Social Services, I believe, is funneling support to the Red Cross, as well.
The Red Cross is well set up to deliver first-response care, and would
surely appreciate the support. They have set up www.safeandwell.org so
folks can search for friends and family with whom they have not yet
connected. They're also on site, delivering food and snacks to emergency
responders, and have set up a family response center at the Metrodome
Holiday Inn that's catering to the needs of those who are dealing with
losses.
Their phone system is a little wonky right now, but their web site donation
page is running. Visit http://www.redcrosstc.org/donate.cfm for more
information.
If anyone else has any other suggestions as to how people can help, I'd
appreciate hearing them. One of the amazing things about this sad situation
is how many regular folks rushed out to help.
Peace,
Atom Robinson
Frogtown-ish
the same for themselves and their loved ones.
FWIW, Catholic Charities of the Twin Cities just sent out an email
suggesting that people contact the Red Cross with donations. Lutheran
Social Services, I believe, is funneling support to the Red Cross, as well.
The Red Cross is well set up to deliver first-response care, and would
surely appreciate the support. They have set up www.safeandwell.org so
folks can search for friends and family with whom they have not yet
connected. They're also on site, delivering food and snacks to emergency
responders, and have set up a family response center at the Metrodome
Holiday Inn that's catering to the needs of those who are dealing with
losses.
Their phone system is a little wonky right now, but their web site donation
page is running. Visit http://www.redcrosstc.org/donate.cfm for more
information.
If anyone else has any other suggestions as to how people can help, I'd
appreciate hearing them. One of the amazing things about this sad situation
is how many regular folks rushed out to help.
Peace,
Atom Robinson
Frogtown-ish
On 8/2/07, Michael Schoenberg <<email obscured>> wrote:
>
> In light of the I-35W bridge collapse, I wonder if a member's roll call is
> appropriate. For, myself and my family, we are all safe and sound.
> Mike Schoenberg
> MacGroveland, St. Paul
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I was at City Hall, covering the council meeting and watching out the press
room window as helicopters flew to the scene. People were scurrying around
between the council meeting, televisions with the cable coverage of the meeting
and televisions with the news coverage of the bridge collapse.
Jason Hoppin (Pi Press) and I discussed how many of our out-of-state relatives
we'd hear from.
I'll vouch for the local Red Cross needing help. Remember, they have had major
apartment building fires and displaced people to deal with all spring and
summer. I'd guess their financial resources are stretched better thin these
days.
Jane McClure
Remembering the 1990 Lake Street Bridge collapse in Merriam Park
room window as helicopters flew to the scene. People were scurrying around
between the council meeting, televisions with the cable coverage of the meeting
and televisions with the news coverage of the bridge collapse.
Jason Hoppin (Pi Press) and I discussed how many of our out-of-state relatives
we'd hear from.
I'll vouch for the local Red Cross needing help. Remember, they have had major
apartment building fires and displaced people to deal with all spring and
summer. I'd guess their financial resources are stretched better thin these
days.
Jane McClure
Remembering the 1990 Lake Street Bridge collapse in Merriam Park
-----Original Message-----
>From: atom robinson <<email obscured>>
>Sent: Aug 2, 2007 1:15 PM
>To: stpaul-issues@forums.e-democracy.org
>Subject: Re: [SPIF] Member Roll Call
>
>Me and mine are safe, thanks for asking. I pray that every SPIFer can say
>the same for themselves and their loved ones.
>
>FWIW, Catholic Charities of the Twin Cities just sent out an email
>suggesting that people contact the Red Cross with donations. Lutheran
>Social Services, I believe, is funneling support to the Red Cross, as well.
>
>
>The Red Cross is well set up to deliver first-response care, and would
>surely appreciate the support. They have set up www.safeandwell.org so
>folks can search for friends and family with whom they have not yet
>connected. They're also on site, delivering food and snacks to emergency
>responders, and have set up a family response center at the Metrodome
>Holiday Inn that's catering to the needs of those who are dealing with
>losses.
>
>Their phone system is a little wonky right now, but their web site donation
>page is running. Visit http://www.redcrosstc.org/donate.cfm for more
>information.
>
>If anyone else has any other suggestions as to how people can help, I'd
>appreciate hearing them. One of the amazing things about this sad situation
>is how many regular folks rushed out to help.
>
>Peace,
>Atom Robinson
>Frogtown-ish
>
>
>On 8/2/07, Michael Schoenberg <<email obscured>> wrote:
>>
>> In light of the I-35W bridge collapse, I wonder if a member's roll call is
>> appropriate. For, myself and my family, we are all safe and sound.
>> Mike Schoenberg
>> MacGroveland, St. Paul
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>Sent: Aug 2, 2007 1:15 PM
>To: stpaul-issues@forums.e-democracy.org
>Subject: Re: [SPIF] Member Roll Call
>
>Me and mine are safe, thanks for asking. I pray that every SPIFer can say
>the same for themselves and their loved ones.
>
>FWIW, Catholic Charities of the Twin Cities just sent out an email
>suggesting that people contact the Red Cross with donations. Lutheran
>Social Services, I believe, is funneling support to the Red Cross, as well.
>
>
>The Red Cross is well set up to deliver first-response care, and would
>surely appreciate the support. They have set up www.safeandwell.org so
>folks can search for friends and family with whom they have not yet
>connected. They're also on site, delivering food and snacks to emergency
>responders, and have set up a family response center at the Metrodome
>Holiday Inn that's catering to the needs of those who are dealing with
>losses.
>
>Their phone system is a little wonky right now, but their web site donation
>page is running. Visit http://www.redcrosstc.org/donate.cfm for more
>information.
>
>If anyone else has any other suggestions as to how people can help, I'd
>appreciate hearing them. One of the amazing things about this sad situation
>is how many regular folks rushed out to help.
>
>Peace,
>Atom Robinson
>Frogtown-ish
>
>
>On 8/2/07, Michael Schoenberg <<email obscured>> wrote:
>>
>> In light of the I-35W bridge collapse, I wonder if a member's roll call is
>> appropriate. For, myself and my family, we are all safe and sound.
>> Mike Schoenberg
>> MacGroveland, St. Paul
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Everyone in my family is safe. My husband and I seldom, if ever, have to drive
over that bridge. What's scarey is that our daughter, who lives in Uptown and
works in Excelsior, has to drive all over the Twin Cities for her work, and she
has had to use it very often. Hey, thanks for thinking of all of us members!
over that bridge. What's scarey is that our daughter, who lives in Uptown and
works in Excelsior, has to drive all over the Twin Cities for her work, and she
has had to use it very often. Hey, thanks for thinking of all of us members!
> The Red Cross is well set up to deliver first-response care, and would
> surely appreciate the support. They have set up www.safeandwell.org so
> folks can search for friends and family with whom they have not yet
> connected. They're also on site, delivering food and snacks to emergency
> responders, and have set up a family response center at the Metrodome
> Holiday Inn that's catering to the needs of those who are dealing with
> losses.
>
> Their phone system is a little wonky right now, but their web site donation
> page is running. Visit http://www.redcrosstc.org/donate.cfm for more
> information.
Both myself and my partner are safe and sound. My employer (NWA) have reported
that none of employees have been directly involved. Our CEO has been in
contact with the Governor, Mayor of Minneapolis and the American Red Cross to
offer any support or resources that the recovery operation would need.
As a 10+ year disaster services volunteer for the American Red Cross and a
direct relief worker for the '93 midwest floods, '94 LA earthquake, Grand Forks
flood and September 11th (local call center logistics), while I am currently in
a 'retired' status with the Red Cross at the moment, I would like to commend
each and every rescue worker and member of the relief operations team. Unless
you have had the opportunity to be involved in the complexity of a
national-scale disaster like this, I don't think you can truly ever understand
the amount of stress that these people are under at the moment. Any disaster
operation is by it's nature, chaos in the initial days after the event.
For the any of us in the general public, I have this message: Please stay away
from the scene. Let workers do their jobs. Give $$ to the Red Cross Disaster
Services (if you are able). Most of all - take care of yourselves and family
during this time. Limit your exposure to the excessive media coverage and talk
to neighbors, family and friends about your feelings and experiences.
Praying for all the families affected,
Paul Skrbec
W-2 P-3
West 7th
St. Paul
> surely appreciate the support. They have set up www.safeandwell.org so
> folks can search for friends and family with whom they have not yet
> connected. They're also on site, delivering food and snacks to emergency
> responders, and have set up a family response center at the Metrodome
> Holiday Inn that's catering to the needs of those who are dealing with
> losses.
>
> Their phone system is a little wonky right now, but their web site donation
> page is running. Visit http://www.redcrosstc.org/donate.cfm for more
> information.
Both myself and my partner are safe and sound. My employer (NWA) have reported
that none of employees have been directly involved. Our CEO has been in
contact with the Governor, Mayor of Minneapolis and the American Red Cross to
offer any support or resources that the recovery operation would need.
As a 10+ year disaster services volunteer for the American Red Cross and a
direct relief worker for the '93 midwest floods, '94 LA earthquake, Grand Forks
flood and September 11th (local call center logistics), while I am currently in
a 'retired' status with the Red Cross at the moment, I would like to commend
each and every rescue worker and member of the relief operations team. Unless
you have had the opportunity to be involved in the complexity of a
national-scale disaster like this, I don't think you can truly ever understand
the amount of stress that these people are under at the moment. Any disaster
operation is by it's nature, chaos in the initial days after the event.
For the any of us in the general public, I have this message: Please stay away
from the scene. Let workers do their jobs. Give $$ to the Red Cross Disaster
Services (if you are able). Most of all - take care of yourselves and family
during this time. Limit your exposure to the excessive media coverage and talk
to neighbors, family and friends about your feelings and experiences.
Praying for all the families affected,
Paul Skrbec
W-2 P-3
West 7th
St. Paul
My family and I, fortunately, are all safe. I hope everyone working or
living in the area heeds one of the lessons of 9-11 (reinforced in
Michael Moore's "Sicko": the air around the site will be foul for a
long time.Take precautions. David Unowsky, Mac-Grove
On 8/2/07, <email obscured> <<email obscured>> wrote:
> > The Red Cross is well set up to deliver first-response care, and would
> > surely appreciate the support. They have set up www.safeandwell.org so
> > folks can search for friends and family with whom they have not yet
> > connected. They're also on site, delivering food and snacks to emergency
> > responders, and have set up a family response center at the Metrodome
> > Holiday Inn that's catering to the needs of those who are dealing with
> > losses.
> >
> > Their phone system is a little wonky right now, but their web site donation
> > page is running. Visit http://www.redcrosstc.org/donate.cfm for more
> > information.
>
>
> Both myself and my partner are safe and sound. My employer (NWA) have
reported that none of employees have been directly involved. Our CEO has been
in contact with the Governor, Mayor of Minneapolis and the American Red Cross
to offer any support or resources that the recovery operation would need.
>
> As a 10+ year disaster services volunteer for the American Red Cross and a
direct relief worker for the '93 midwest floods, '94 LA earthquake, Grand Forks
flood and September 11th (local call center logistics), while I am currently in
a 'retired' status with the Red Cross at the moment, I would like to commend
each and every rescue worker and member of the relief operations team. Unless
you have had the opportunity to be involved in the complexity of a
national-scale disaster like this, I don't think you can truly ever understand
the amount of stress that these people are under at the moment. Any disaster
operation is by it's nature, chaos in the initial days after the event.
>
> For the any of us in the general public, I have this message: Please stay
away from the scene. Let workers do their jobs. Give $$ to the Red Cross
Disaster Services (if you are able). Most of all - take care of yourselves and
family during this time. Limit your exposure to the excessive media coverage
and talk to neighbors, family and friends about your feelings and experiences.
>
> Praying for all the families affected,
>
> Paul Skrbec
> W-2 P-3
> West 7th
> St. Paul
> Paul Skrbec
> West 7th Street, Saint Paul
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living in the area heeds one of the lessons of 9-11 (reinforced in
Michael Moore's "Sicko": the air around the site will be foul for a
long time.Take precautions. David Unowsky, Mac-Grove
On 8/2/07, <email obscured> <<email obscured>> wrote:
> > The Red Cross is well set up to deliver first-response care, and would
> > surely appreciate the support. They have set up www.safeandwell.org so
> > folks can search for friends and family with whom they have not yet
> > connected. They're also on site, delivering food and snacks to emergency
> > responders, and have set up a family response center at the Metrodome
> > Holiday Inn that's catering to the needs of those who are dealing with
> > losses.
> >
> > Their phone system is a little wonky right now, but their web site donation
> > page is running. Visit http://www.redcrosstc.org/donate.cfm for more
> > information.
>
>
> Both myself and my partner are safe and sound. My employer (NWA) have
reported that none of employees have been directly involved. Our CEO has been
in contact with the Governor, Mayor of Minneapolis and the American Red Cross
to offer any support or resources that the recovery operation would need.
>
> As a 10+ year disaster services volunteer for the American Red Cross and a
direct relief worker for the '93 midwest floods, '94 LA earthquake, Grand Forks
flood and September 11th (local call center logistics), while I am currently in
a 'retired' status with the Red Cross at the moment, I would like to commend
each and every rescue worker and member of the relief operations team. Unless
you have had the opportunity to be involved in the complexity of a
national-scale disaster like this, I don't think you can truly ever understand
the amount of stress that these people are under at the moment. Any disaster
operation is by it's nature, chaos in the initial days after the event.
>
> For the any of us in the general public, I have this message: Please stay
away from the scene. Let workers do their jobs. Give $$ to the Red Cross
Disaster Services (if you are able). Most of all - take care of yourselves and
family during this time. Limit your exposure to the excessive media coverage
and talk to neighbors, family and friends about your feelings and experiences.
>
> Praying for all the families affected,
>
> Paul Skrbec
> W-2 P-3
> West 7th
> St. Paul
> Paul Skrbec
> West 7th Street, Saint Paul
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My family is all safe and sound.
I was at a small social gathering, just across the Lake Street
bridge, when this happened. I knew right away that this tragedy would
touch home, I just could not be sure how close to home it would hit.
So far, it appears that the closest it has come to me or my family -
is that one person from the company where my wife works is apparently
missing. My wife did not know this person (nor did I), but none-the-
less, this does begin to bring the impact of this event close to home.
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Best wishes,
I was at a small social gathering, just across the Lake Street
bridge, when this happened. I knew right away that this tragedy would
touch home, I just could not be sure how close to home it would hit.
So far, it appears that the closest it has come to me or my family -
is that one person from the company where my wife works is apparently
missing. My wife did not know this person (nor did I), but none-the-
less, this does begin to bring the impact of this event close to home.
Since the collapse, I've kept myself occupied with E-Democracy.Org
projects, most of which are directly related to the discussions that
we are having here. Most of my time has been on the following two
projects:
1) Helping Steve Clift with a very comprehensive collection of
links and resources. Check it out at (or help us edit it at):
http://pages.e-democracy.org/35W
2) Getting ready to launch a NEW version of Minnesota Politics
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Best wishes,
all safe here. I was playing baseball in the st paul city league
playoffs at dunning when it happened. You always hear sirens playing
there so we didn't pay too close attention to the ones yesterday but
when the choppers filled the air, word made it around that the bridge
went down.
I found out an hour or so ago that a longtime pitcher in the city
league was one of the deceased, Pat Holmes. I didn't know him
personally but faced him many times over the years in many games.
John Harris
webber-camden, mpls
playoffs at dunning when it happened. You always hear sirens playing
there so we didn't pay too close attention to the ones yesterday but
when the choppers filled the air, word made it around that the bridge
went down.
I found out an hour or so ago that a longtime pitcher in the city
league was one of the deceased, Pat Holmes. I didn't know him
personally but faced him many times over the years in many games.
John Harris
webber-camden, mpls
My wife and I are safe. Thanks for asking.
--
Michael Fraase, partner
ARTS & FARCES LLC
Mac-Groveland
64B/Ward 4, Precinct 7
<email obscured>
www.farces.com
Michael Fraase, partner
ARTS & FARCES LLC
Mac-Groveland
64B/Ward 4, Precinct 7
<email obscured>
www.farces.com
All's well here. Thanks. Worrywarts were all over the country - Maine to
Califormia. Happy we could report the affirmative.
Andy
Califormia. Happy we could report the affirmative.
Andy
--
Andy Driscoll, Producer/Host
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Wednesdays at 11:00 AM
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TTT¹s Andy Driscoll and guest co-host, KFAI News Director Lauretta Dawolo
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Author and Prof. Rose Brewer
Additional guest(s) charged with implementing remedies to the disparities.
...about missing and present economic trends, issues, and opportunities in
and for the Black Community. Dr. Brewer¹s book, The Color of Wealth,
addresses the disparities of economic security between whites and
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COMING PROGRAMS:
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Congressman Jim Ramstad and Author and Hazelden Foundation Vice President
William Moyers about the status of the Paul Wellstone Mental Health and
Addiction Parity Act that tries to even the playing field between physical
and mental illness in health insurance coverages.
August 22 @ 11:00 AM: TTT¹s Andy Driscoll and his guest co-host will update
listeners on the Central Corridor and talking with Jim Erkel of the MN
Center for Environmental Advocacy and a key member of St. Paul¹s University
Ave. Central Corridor Task Force and additional activists working on
community impacts of the LRT line about to run through the Twin Cities.
August 29 @ 11:00 AM: TTT¹s Andy Driscoll and co-host Craig Cox talk with
principal players in the controversy over just how St. Paul¹s
paper-recycling Rock-Tenn Corporation will replace its sorely needed steam
supply when Xcel Energy¹s downtown St. Paul coal-fired plant shuts down
forever. Guests to be announced.
Sept. 5 @ 11:00 AM: TTT¹s Andy Driscoll and co-host Craig Cox conduct a
mini-forum for St. Paul City Council candidates who have primary elections
coming on September 11: Wards 2, 4, and 7. TTT will talk with the six
winning candidates on...
Sept. 12 @ 11:00 AM: The St. Paul Primary election is over. Now comes the
final leg. Andy and Craig will discuss issues and politics with the six City
Council Primary winners plus an update on the Instant Runoff Voting
Initiative to appear on the November 6th General Election ballot.
ALSO keep an ear out for future shows on the St. Paul city elections as well
as some of the burning issues over charter schools and their effect on
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> From: Michael Fraase <<email obscured>>
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:35:45 -0500
> To: "St. Paul Issues" <stpaul-issues@forums.e-democracy.org>
> Subject: Re: [SPIF] Member Roll Call
>
> My wife and I are safe. Thanks for asking.
>
> --
> Michael Fraase, partner
> ARTS & FARCES LLC
> Mac-Groveland
> 64B/Ward 4, Precinct 7
> <email obscured>
> www.farces.com
>
>
>
> Michael Fraase
> Mac-Groveland, Saint Paul
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Truth to Tell co-host: Craig Cox
Wednesdays at 11:00 AM
KFAI Radio, 90.3 Minneapolis/106.7 St. Paul
651-293-9039 / Fax: (same, call ahead) / Cell: 651-492-2221
email: <email obscured>
LISTEN WEDNESDAY, August 8 @ 11:00 AM:
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TTT¹s Andy Driscoll and guest co-host, KFAI News Director Lauretta Dawolo
talk with
Author and Prof. Rose Brewer
Additional guest(s) charged with implementing remedies to the disparities.
...about missing and present economic trends, issues, and opportunities in
and for the Black Community. Dr. Brewer¹s book, The Color of Wealth,
addresses the disparities of economic security between whites and
communities of color here and across the country.
COMING PROGRAMS:
August 15 @ 11:00 AM: TTT¹s Andy Driscoll and co-host Craig Cox talk with
Congressman Jim Ramstad and Author and Hazelden Foundation Vice President
William Moyers about the status of the Paul Wellstone Mental Health and
Addiction Parity Act that tries to even the playing field between physical
and mental illness in health insurance coverages.
August 22 @ 11:00 AM: TTT¹s Andy Driscoll and his guest co-host will update
listeners on the Central Corridor and talking with Jim Erkel of the MN
Center for Environmental Advocacy and a key member of St. Paul¹s University
Ave. Central Corridor Task Force and additional activists working on
community impacts of the LRT line about to run through the Twin Cities.
August 29 @ 11:00 AM: TTT¹s Andy Driscoll and co-host Craig Cox talk with
principal players in the controversy over just how St. Paul¹s
paper-recycling Rock-Tenn Corporation will replace its sorely needed steam
supply when Xcel Energy¹s downtown St. Paul coal-fired plant shuts down
forever. Guests to be announced.
Sept. 5 @ 11:00 AM: TTT¹s Andy Driscoll and co-host Craig Cox conduct a
mini-forum for St. Paul City Council candidates who have primary elections
coming on September 11: Wards 2, 4, and 7. TTT will talk with the six
winning candidates on...
Sept. 12 @ 11:00 AM: The St. Paul Primary election is over. Now comes the
final leg. Andy and Craig will discuss issues and politics with the six City
Council Primary winners plus an update on the Instant Runoff Voting
Initiative to appear on the November 6th General Election ballot.
ALSO keep an ear out for future shows on the St. Paul city elections as well
as some of the burning issues over charter schools and their effect on
diversity and standard public schools.
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<http://www.KFAI.org/>
CALL IN: 612-341-0980
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> From: Michael Fraase <<email obscured>>
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:35:45 -0500
> To: "St. Paul Issues" <stpaul-issues@forums.e-democracy.org>
> Subject: Re: [SPIF] Member Roll Call
>
> My wife and I are safe. Thanks for asking.
>
> --
> Michael Fraase, partner
> ARTS & FARCES LLC
> Mac-Groveland
> 64B/Ward 4, Precinct 7
> <email obscured>
> www.farces.com
>
>
>
> Michael Fraase
> Mac-Groveland, Saint Paul
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All hands are safe in the DeBoer family. Hope we keep getting good news.
I'm here
I was biking up in Roseville, Shoreview, Vadnais Heights and Little Canada.
One of the guy who was riding with me got a call from his wife and told us
what happened.
I went to bed a little later than usual, and went into work about an hour
later than I usually do, and my boss thought I might have been under the bridge
on W. River Road when it happened (If it were Thursday, I might have been on
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I was biking up in Roseville, Shoreview, Vadnais Heights and Little Canada.
One of the guy who was riding with me got a call from his wife and told us
what happened.
I went to bed a little later than usual, and went into work about an hour
later than I usually do, and my boss thought I might have been under the bridge
on W. River Road when it happened (If it were Thursday, I might have been on
W. River Road).
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Sharon was at S. Matts Church for dinner Rotary Club serving
took 75 Bus over Wabasha Bridge, transferred to 63 over 3rd Street Bridge
Taping the 1Aug07 Council meeting, was notified by the City Council
It sure makes you think of the 6- Ward 2 Bridges
Smith High Bridge,Wabasha, Robert, Lafayette, 3rd, 7th,
Public Servants Public Trust
_http://sharons-ward2bridges.blogspot.com_
(http://sharons-ward2bridges.blogspot.com)
Marshall St. & Ford Pkwy Bridges
City Politicans granting Forgivable Loans, Deferred Loans, now 1,193 vacant
bldgs
Where do these city officials think they are getting REAL MONEY, full faith
credit
clause of US Constitutions.
Plea to start reading your City Council Agenda's
_Converted by FileMerlin_
(http://service.govdelivery.com/docs/STPAUL/STPAUL_DeptCityCouncil/STPAUL_65/STPAUL_65_20070808_en.htm)
8thAug07
read the agenda last page 7-first
HRA no.2.. Deferred Loan of $240,000 Univ & Dale Apts ie: Rondo Library
4. $500 million for Targeted Daytons Bluff
ITEM 26 $25 million STAR Bonds
YET WE DO NOT REPAIR OUR AGING ROADS AND BRIDGES
I don't care who you vote for: At least get off your Duffs for the
protection
of Public Dollars,Safety etc.
_http://sharon4council.blogspot.com_ (http://sharon4council.blogspot.com)
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took 75 Bus over Wabasha Bridge, transferred to 63 over 3rd Street Bridge
Taping the 1Aug07 Council meeting, was notified by the City Council
It sure makes you think of the 6- Ward 2 Bridges
Smith High Bridge,Wabasha, Robert, Lafayette, 3rd, 7th,
Public Servants Public Trust
_http://sharons-ward2bridges.blogspot.com_
(http://sharons-ward2bridges.blogspot.com)
Marshall St. & Ford Pkwy Bridges
City Politicans granting Forgivable Loans, Deferred Loans, now 1,193 vacant
bldgs
Where do these city officials think they are getting REAL MONEY, full faith
credit
clause of US Constitutions.
Plea to start reading your City Council Agenda's
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read the agenda last page 7-first
HRA no.2.. Deferred Loan of $240,000 Univ & Dale Apts ie: Rondo Library
4. $500 million for Targeted Daytons Bluff
ITEM 26 $25 million STAR Bonds
YET WE DO NOT REPAIR OUR AGING ROADS AND BRIDGES
I don't care who you vote for: At least get off your Duffs for the
protection
of Public Dollars,Safety etc.
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I'm here....that is I was up North, when I found out about the tragic bridge
collapse. I used to live in Mpls (29 yrs) until 2002 and drove over that
bridge
hundreds of times. The 10TH St bridge is still a very good local bridge to use
to
get to the "U". I don't recommend going in that general area to go to the
Twins
games or anywhere downtown Mpls. We just drive over to the 46TH St. Light Rail
station and go to town from there. Parking is still not a problem and the #84
bus
also goes to the station. The Light Rail is also a great way to go to the
airport,
MOA, etc.
Lots of our friends and family called us to see if we were OK and I am relieved
to
report that I do not personally know of anyone killed or missing. I definitely
believe that the last several years of a culture of not supporting our area's
and
country's infra-structure has added to the potential of this tragedy and
possible
others to come. Most of us can guess as to which political party or group has
been
advocating an investment of a stronger infra-structure for all of those years.
Gary Thompson
Highland
collapse. I used to live in Mpls (29 yrs) until 2002 and drove over that
bridge
hundreds of times. The 10TH St bridge is still a very good local bridge to use
to
get to the "U". I don't recommend going in that general area to go to the
Twins
games or anywhere downtown Mpls. We just drive over to the 46TH St. Light Rail
station and go to town from there. Parking is still not a problem and the #84
bus
also goes to the station. The Light Rail is also a great way to go to the
airport,
MOA, etc.
Lots of our friends and family called us to see if we were OK and I am relieved
to
report that I do not personally know of anyone killed or missing. I definitely
believe that the last several years of a culture of not supporting our area's
and
country's infra-structure has added to the potential of this tragedy and
possible
others to come. Most of us can guess as to which political party or group has
been
advocating an investment of a stronger infra-structure for all of those years.
Gary Thompson
Highland
--- Andrew Hine <<email obscured>> wrote:
> My wife normally leaves the new Guthrie/Mill City parking ramp at 6:00 and
drives
> under the bridge on W River Rd five minutes later. Yesterday she worked
through
> lunch and left 30 minutes early.
>
> A guy in my lab drove over the bridge at 5:50 en route to the Twins game.
>
> So much luck. So much rotten luck.
>
> I am resisting a rant on the Third Worldization of this country's
infrastructure
> on account of the outpouring of money to pay for "other things," but I can't
hold
> out much longer...
>
> AMH
> Armstrong Av
>
> Andrew Hine
> West End, Saint Paul
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> My wife normally leaves the new Guthrie/Mill City parking ramp at 6:00 and
drives
> under the bridge on W River Rd five minutes later. Yesterday she worked
through
> lunch and left 30 minutes early.
>
> A guy in my lab drove over the bridge at 5:50 en route to the Twins game.
>
> So much luck. So much rotten luck.
>
> I am resisting a rant on the Third Worldization of this country's
infrastructure
> on account of the outpouring of money to pay for "other things," but I can't
hold
> out much longer...
>
> AMH
> Armstrong Av
>
> Andrew Hine
> West End, Saint Paul
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MY daughter went out to celebrate her birthday with her girlfriend that night.
I babysat my granddaughter. They went to see Grease at the Pantages theatre.
Before she left she got a call from a coworker so she left a few minutes later
than they wanted.
She was in the standstill traffic north of the gridge (in front of the quarry )
when the bridge collapsed. Her friend's mother called her and told her what
happened. They had to drive the wrong way down their side of the freeway, over
the median, and then came back home. They tried to call but the phones kept
cutting out.
Thank god she is ok. A coworker of my son-her brother died on the bridge. I
used the bridge all the time. It is sobering to think it was like a time bomb,
ticking away. There are so many of us that are just darn lucky it wasn't us on
that bridge.
Some answers need to be forthcoming. And they better be good.
I babysat my granddaughter. They went to see Grease at the Pantages theatre.
Before she left she got a call from a coworker so she left a few minutes later
than they wanted.
She was in the standstill traffic north of the gridge (in front of the quarry )
when the bridge collapsed. Her friend's mother called her and told her what
happened. They had to drive the wrong way down their side of the freeway, over
the median, and then came back home. They tried to call but the phones kept
cutting out.
Thank god she is ok. A coworker of my son-her brother died on the bridge. I
used the bridge all the time. It is sobering to think it was like a time bomb,
ticking away. There are so many of us that are just darn lucky it wasn't us on
that bridge.
Some answers need to be forthcoming. And they better be good.
Fine- nice to ask to see if all are all right. My friend just moved in on
Tuesday night from Los Angeles. We were sitting around chatting about things
after dinner when I noticed that NPR sounded off- "35W" "bridge" and on and on.
Daughter in Chicago called at 6:20 to make sure everyone we knew was accounted
for...
We put on the tv and it was like the '89 earthquake all over again...
The phone from both coasts had not stopped ringing asking about information
about the Bridge.
Take care,
Jackie
Tuesday night from Los Angeles. We were sitting around chatting about things
after dinner when I noticed that NPR sounded off- "35W" "bridge" and on and on.
Daughter in Chicago called at 6:20 to make sure everyone we knew was accounted
for...
We put on the tv and it was like the '89 earthquake all over again...
The phone from both coasts had not stopped ringing asking about information
about the Bridge.
Take care,
Jackie
Rosa Maria and I were on vacation in Alaska. We did not hear about
it until Friday afternoon, and just got back this morning on the
redeye. Our kids were here but are fine. Thanks for asking.
Chip Peterson
Mac Groveland
it until Friday afternoon, and just got back this morning on the
redeye. Our kids were here but are fine. Thanks for asking.
Chip Peterson
Mac Groveland
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