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- Latest post made by Jeanne Weigum at 2008 Jul 09 18:14 UTC
A three-year effort by residents of several St. Paul neighborhoods,
including Merriam Park and the West End, to mitigate the effects of
what is perceived to be a growing number and concentration of "sober
houses" in their midst was only partially successful in the run-up to
the City Council's consideration of the matter this week.
A proposal to regulate sober houses as a distinct land use for the
first time was approved by the Planning Commission on June 27. It
will also be the subject of a public hearing before the City Council
on July 2. The new regulations are expected to be in place before a
moratorium on the establishment of new sober houses in the city
expires on September 12.
The perception of a growing number of sober houses in St. Paul is
just that, because up to now there has been no method for regulating
that land use--much less a definition of it--and no one has any idea
how many sober houses are already operating in the city or where they
are located.
For regulatory purposes, St. Paul is now defining a sober house as a
dwelling "occupied by more than four persons in recovery from
chemical dependency and considered handicapped under the Federal Fair
Housing Act (FFHA) amendments of 1988 that provides a non-
institutional residential environment in which the residents
willingly subject themselves to rules and conditions intended to
encourage and sustain their recovery."
The new regulations would require sober house operators to submit a
request to the citys zoning administrator before opening a new
facility, indicate the number of residents, supply information that
shows the house meets city zoning and fire codes, and provide 1.5 off-
street parking spaces for every four residents or, short of that,
submit a written plan for shared parking or some other arrangement.
In single-family residential zones, new sober houses would be limited
to 10 or fewer residents. Sober houses serving 17 or more residents
would need to obtain a conditional use permit.
However, the Planning Commission excised a proposed requirement that
new sober houses be at least 330 feet apart. That decision obviously
pleased sober house operators, but it disappointed residents who had
labored to limit the concentration of such facilities in their
neighborhoods.
What prompted the Planning Commission to back off from the distance
requirement was a testily worded letter from former U.S. Attorney
David Lillehaug, on behalf of the Minnesota Association of Sober
Homes. If the Planning Commission were to ignore the "explicit,
written warning from the City Attorneys Office, the conclusion will
be inescapable that Planning Commission members are engaging in
intentional discrimination," Lillehaug wrote. In addition to the city
incurring substantial attorneys' fees, he threatened the
commissioners that "violations of the FHAA can result in punitive
damages awards against individuals."
It's true that U.S. courts have held that under the FHAA any
ordinance that singles out disabled people and applies different
rules to them from non-disabled people is "intentionally
discriminatory," and that people in recovery are considered by the
courts to be disabled. However, it seems that those who operate
facilities for people with that particular disability now have more
legal rights and protections than those who operate facilities for
people with other disabilities. The owners of regulated facilities
for people with other physical or mental disabilities must abide by
all kinds of rules and regulations, and their properties undergo
regular, rigorous inspections for safety issues. Sober house
operators squawk if they get a visit from a fire inspector.
There have been sober houses where electrical extension cords were
extended from one house to another. There have been sober houses
remodeled without permits. Are sober house residents sleeping in
basements or attics with no egress? Are sober houses proliferating
merely as a lucative means of getting around the city's boarding
house regulations?
Is cramming that many people into a single sober house even conducive
to a supportive atmosphere for recovery?
The operators of sober houses don't seem to want to play the game by
the same rules as other facilities for disabled people. And they seem
to want to be both player and ump.
The proposed ordinance has been so watered down that all it now contains are a
definition of a sober house (drafted by the house owners themselves), minor
parking restrictions (that the owners do not object to) and a dispersal
requirement that is so minimal that it would allow somewhere around 2,000 sober
houses to exist in St. Paul. Yet today at the public hearing on the ordinance,
the owners cried that this would drive them out of business and vowed to sue to
prevent this "discriminatory" proposal.
There were no sober house residents testifying to the need to protect their
landlords. There were no recovery professionals offering reasons why sober
houses ought not be regulated. There were no reasons given why the
concentration restrictions violated the rights of those in recovery rather than
merely inconvenience the owners. There were no references to peer-reviewed
articles in public health or recovery science journals why sober houses should
be exempt from zoning laws. There were only sober house owners and their legal
counsel trotting out the same arguments that even the slightest regulation was
discrimination and making the same threats they've made to Planning
Commissioners. "Regulate us and we'll sue you."
If sober houses were such a vital step in the road to recovery, how come no one
from Hazelden was there to defend them? If sober houses are such a wonderful
thing, how come they have taken every step to avoid all safety and fire code
enforcement for years? If they are so important and so well run, why do we
keep hearing stories about residents evicted on short notice for such
infractions as having a "bad attitude" and violating rules that aren't
articulated? Why do the owners insist that there are only 35 in the whole city
when we all know that the number is closer to 100 if all those flying under the
radar are actually counted? Why are the lists of code violations for sober
houses (at least those in my neighborhood) so extensive?
To answer the rhetorical questions asked by the owners of sober houses at
today's public hearing: No, we have nothing against sober people. We want
them to be successful in their recovery. We do, however, have problems with
irresponsible property owners, no matter who they rent to.
Diane Gerth
Living in the West End, working Downtown
The significant thing on the Sober House discussion is that the argument hinges on the Supreme Court ruling that in part says that cities can not discriminate against protected classes of people. The court says you can't say that mentally ill or disabled peoples can't live here or there. In most other situations, other than Sober Houses, the facility is licensed, so the cities know that this building or that building is a home for those with mental health issues or home to physical disability. The houses in effect get set aside from the city's interest in paying attention to how many people are living there since the state has the interest. In Minnesota to insure that mental health facilities are not ghettoized the state requires a distance between facilities that it will license. Service providers could build mental health facilities where ever they want, but if the want the MONEY from the state they have to abide by a distance requirement to get a license. But, Sober Houses aren't licensed and they aren't regulated and aren't mandated in most peoples recovery. They are a safe, secure, affordable, supportive place for someone to transition from treatment back to "normal" day to day life. They are boarding houses with particular rules concerning the use of alcohol and interest in maintaining sobriety. In Saint Paul, boarding houses are well restricted and very limited on where they can exist. Sober Houses reject being considered a boarding house and want the cities and ultimately the courts to view them as just a large extended family that should not have to fall under any city requirements restricting the number of people that can live in one building and further restrictions about how near they can locate to one another. The City on the other hand says we are clueless to know who is or isn't a Sober House and without some information in advance can't every landlord in the city claim to be a Sober House and board as many people in their units as they want to? What says this house with 16 people in recovery is a Sober House and this house with 16 drunks who are actively imbibing until all hours of the morning isn't just one mass "slip?" I mean if they are not licensed and require no permit from the City and need no zoning requirement and are only determined to be Sober Houses after someone complains, how is the City to know that they are a Sober House? I am sure that at some point this will end in the courts, but it is interesting that service providers, without having the funding restricted to insure diversion, will cluster their services in low to moderate income neighborhoods. Funny, I know many wealthy people in recovery... JMONTOMEPPOF Chuck Repke In a message dated 7/2/2008 10:30:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, <email obscured> writes: The proposed ordinance has been so watered down that all it now contains are a definition of a sober house (drafted by the house owners themselves), minor parking restrictions (that the owners do not object to) and a dispersal requirement that is so minimal that it would allow somewhere around 2,000 sober houses to exist in St. Paul. Yet today at the public hearing on the ordinance, the owners cried that this would drive them out of business and vowed to sue to prevent this "discriminatory" proposal. There were no sober house residents testifying to the need to protect their landlords. There were no recovery professionals offering reasons why sober houses ought not be regulated. There were no reasons given why the concentration restrictions violated the rights of those in recovery rather than merely inconvenience the owners. There were no references to peer-reviewed articles in public health or recovery science journals why sober houses should be exempt from zoning laws. There were only sober house owners and their legal counsel trotting out the same arguments that even the slightest regulation was discrimination and making the same threats they've made to Planning Commissioners. "Regulate us and we'll sue you." If sober houses were such a vital step in the road to recovery, how come no one from Hazelden was there to defend them? If sober houses are such a wonderful thing, how come they have taken every step to avoid all safety and fire code enforcement for years? If they are so important and so well run, why do we keep hearing stories about residents evicted on short notice for such infractions as having a "bad attitude" and violating rules that aren't articulated? Why do the owners insist that there are only 35 in the whole city when we all know that the number is closer to 100 if all those flying under the radar are actually counted? Why are the lists of code violations for sober houses (at least those in my neighborhood) so extensive? To answer the rhetorical questions asked by the owners of sober houses at today's public hearing: No, we have nothing against sober people. We want them to be successful in their recovery. We do, however, have problems with irresponsible property owners, no matter who they rent to. Diane Gerth Living in the West End, working Downtown Diane Gerth West End, St. Paul Info about Diane Gerth: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/dianegerth This topic's messages may be viewed at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/4tzrY2HQM7jr3Q23SQmihm
How about some sober thoughts on unsafe housing? Today, readers of the Pioneer Press were treated to the claims of Chris Edrington, owner and operator of a number of sober houses in St. Paul that he described to the City Council last week as "85 beds." You can see his description of his "program" at this website: http://www.stpaulsoberliving.com/ourprogram.asp. In this editorial that recycles the inaccurate claims of sober house owners that they are immune from regulation, even when those regulations are designed to protect the people in recovery they claim to be helping and to preserve the residential character of the neighborhoods they claim is important to their residents. Mr. Edrington claims in the opinion piece: "Sober homes locate in safe, single-family neighborhoods for a very good reason: to promote normalcy and give the residents a sense that they are part of the community, not 'housed' in some building out on a frontage road." While the neighborhood may be safe, it's interesting that Mr. Edrington doesn't claim his houses are "safe." That's because based on his history, he can't. Let's take a look at the type of housing Mr. Edrington provides for his "beds" in St. Paul's West End neighborhood, where his houses are clustered. This information is taken from the City of St. Paul's Department of Safety and Inspections website (https://www.stpaulonestop.com/AMANDA5/eNtraprise/StPaul/m3list/a_PickProperty.jsp?lid=ReadOnlystpaul) , where people can look up information about inspections of properties. The information about which properties are under the control of Mr. Edrington can be found at the website of the Minnesota Association of Sober Houses (http://www.mnsoberhomes.org/st-paul-sober-living/). At 431 St. Clair Ave., a 7/17/2005 Inspection found: Basement Bathroom floor problem Basement ceiling not fire rated No dryer vent Prohibited storage in mechanical room No backflow device in basement Exterior electrical service prob. Exterior wall problems Use of damaged elec. Cords 3rd floor Provide adequate number of third floor exits Third floor handrail Minimum ceiling height 3rd floor Overcrowded 3rd floor sleeping unit No fire alarm Heating equip. maintenance No smoke detector affd. 2/26/2007 Inspection: Illegal locks Repair 2nd story floors No smoke detector affd. No residential occupancy affd. Repair interior walls No dryer vent Right next door, at 427 St. Clair Ave., a 12/30/2006 Inspection revealed: No Fire doors in basement No Gas drip tees Use of multi-plug adapters No smoke detector affd. No residential occupancy affd. No fire alarm testing Fire extinguisher location Heating equip. maintenance In Mr. Edrington’s 662 Canton Street facility, on 6/9/2004 the following Correction orders were issued: UST/AST storage tank out of service over a year Exterior use of damaged elec. Cords Use of extension cords throughout building No handrail to 3rd floor No fire alarm Heating equip. maintenance No smoke detector affd. At 821 Watson, there were nine Correction Orders issued on 6/9/2004: No handrail to basement Basement ceiling not fire resistant No electrical panel clearance No 3rd floor smoke detector No fire alarms throughout No address posted Heating equip. maintenance Hot water supply problem No smoke detector affd. At 792 Juno Ave., the 1/30/2007 Correction orders included the following: No smoke detector affd. No residential occupancy affd 3/28/2007 Correction Orders 2nd floor use of extension cords Repair interior 2nd floor walls Provide fan/window on 2nd floor Water meter grounding jumper Repair damaged electrical fixtures in basement Heating equip. maintenance Provide dryer vent Use of extension cords 1st floor Repair interior 1st floor walls Repair 1st floor ceilings And at 663 Jefferson, we see the 6/9/2004 Correction orders: Basement bathroom floor problem Basement interior unsanitary Exterior wall problems Exterior deck/stair not structurally sound Address not posted on garage Need GFCI throughout Use of extension cords throughout Repair interior handrail Heating equip. maintenance No smoke detector affd. If indeed, Mr. Edrington and his co-members of MASH were truly interested in offering - as he claims in the editorial - "a service filling a need in recovery" rather than a mere real estate investment, he might want to fire the high-priced lawyer and start investing in a few smoke alarms and fire escapes. Diane Gerth Living in West End, working in downtown
Not sober housing but housing none the less....
Today I accompanied a friend of mine to Conciliation Court/Housing Court.
The people scheduled before us told an awful story. The players were a
young couple with several children (not present) and an owner represented by
an attorney.
The young couple wanted a rent refund because they had only lived in the
apartment for 3 days. They claimedthat before they rented they had asked
the owner if the apartment had "bugs". The owner said, "No, it did not."
When the couple moved in they immediately discovered an extremely bad
cochroach infestation. They sprayed several times for the roaches and set
off several "bombs". There were still roaches. The final blow came when
they entered the apartment and discovered a huge rat in the living room.
They trapped the rat in an overturned trash can and called the owner. The
owner came over and beat the rat to death with a stick.
The owner claimed there were only roaches at night, not during the day, that
she had a daycare facility in the building AND she was pretty sure the
tenants had brought the rat with them as a ruse to break the lease.
The young couple showed the judge photos of lots of roaches and a large rat
hole in the basement floor.
Somehow I wanted to believe that St. Paul did not have housing as bad as
this. I had even believed that we did not have day care in homes like this.
Sigh! Jeanne Weigum
Getting wised up in Merriam Park
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