From:
Paul Nelson
Date:
Jun 29 19:44 UTC
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Reference September of 2006 the topic of LRT in Roseville.
Ms Debra M. Bloom P.E., Assistant Public Works Director, City Engineer wrote:
"This line is recommended for BRT (bus rapid transit)/ bicycle/pedestrian
facility. Buses are not limited to the transitway and can exit onto City
streets. As a result, BRT is less expensive to construct and more flexible.
Since the line in Ramsey County is still active, there are no specific plans to
construct a transitway in the near
future."
See more text below. This study needs to be updated. I recommend an SRT or
Streetcar Rapid Transit for this corridor.
BRT has consistently demonstrated very poor results. All over the country
people are taking rail transit in increasing numbers greater than *any* kind of
bus system. Buses discourage ridership. When the TCRT streetcar system was
changed to buses, transit ridership dropped by almost 50% within a very short
period of time between 1954 to 1956 and never has recovered. In 2005 39% of
Hiawatha respondents stated they were new to transit (had never taken a bus
previously) and that if the Hiawatha was not available, they would use their
cars, *not* take a bus.
A streetcar or LRT vehicle lasts a minimum of 35 years and a bus a maximum of
12 to 15 years. The rail rolling stock (rail and wheels) lasts 50 years, and
the rail ties of the Hiawatha are built to last 75 years. With electric rail
transit, there is no on-sight air pollution.
See the following: http://www.nj-arp.org/brt2.html
If the line is built for SRT/Streetcar Rapid Transit for this corridor the
track could be built to LRT standards and converted to LRT/Light Rail in the
future if density warranted. A Streetcar Rapid Transit can operate as a rapid
transit in the corridor like LRT with a maximum two-car pull and convert to a
streetcar function on city streets, thus more flexible. If the below grade
utilities are not great or are absent in this corridor, the cost of building
the rail bed to LRT standards would be close to the same as building to
streetcar standards.
A BRT would require an asphalt surface with corresponding cost of maintenance,
a wider ROW (right-of-way) 33 feet for BRT to 24 feet for Streetcar. Rail
transit provides greater leeway and reliability in winter climate of snow and
ice, again lower maintenance costs.
No on-sight air pollution would provide a cleaner, better environment for an
adjacent bicycle/pedestrian non motorized highway facility for human space.
The FTA has been pushing BRT to, in my view, force more people into cars, and
recently a grant was given to build BRT in the 35W south corridor and the Cedar
Avenue corridor. Not good.
All The Best
Paul Nelson
Ward One - D7
Hyde Park
Saint Paul
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From: Deb Bloom Date: 2006 Sep 25 10:01 CDT Short link
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The Northeast Diagonal -- a seventeen-mile corridor -- runs from downtown
Minneapolis to White Bear Lake and includes the communities of Minneapolis, St.
Anthony, Roseville, Shoreview, Little Canada, Vadnais Heights, Gem Lake, White
Bear Township and White Bear Lake. In Roseville the corridor is the railroad
tracks that run parallel to
County Road C. At this time, these tracks are still active. It is anticipated
that they will remain active until at least 2020.
In 2001 the Cities within the corridor were invited by the Hennepin and Ramsey
County Regional Rail Authorities to participate in a Northeast Diagonal Land
Use/ Transit Study. The purpose was to identify land use opportunities based
on Smart Growth principles that support
transit-oriented development and related transit infrastructure. The
study was adopted in 2002 as a part of the City's Comprehensive plan (section
5- transportation)
A copy of the study can be found at:
http://www.co.ramsey.mn.us/rail/NEDiagonal.htm
As Steve Baird indicated, light-rail was not recommended for this corridor.
This is a result of lack of density, even if the land within the corridor
redeveloped according to intensive smart growth principles, the ridership in
2020 would only increase by 32% to 12,900. In order for a light-rail line to
be successful, the corridor would need
significantly more riders.
This line is recommended for BRT (bus rapid transit)/ bicycle/ pedestrian
facility. Buses are not limited to the transitway and can exit onto City
streets. As a result, BRT is less expensive to construct and more flexible.
Since the line in Ramsey County is still active, there are no specific plans to
construct a transitway in the near
future.
The corridor at the west boundary of Roseville and into Hennepin County is
abandoned and under the control of the regional rail authority. The City of
Minneapolis, St. Anthony and Three Rivers Park District are constructing the
Northeast Diagonal multi-use pathway to connect the
City of Roseville to the University of Minnesota along this corridor. For more
information on this project, you can go to:
http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/public-works/cip/ne-diag/
If you have any questions, please let me know.
City of Roseville
Debra M. Bloom P.E.
Assistant Public Works Director
City Engineer
Phone: 651-792-7042 Fax: 651-792-7040
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From: Steve Baird [mailto:<email obscured>]
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:59 PM
To: RIF
Subject: Re: [RIF] Introduction
My name is Steve Baird. My family and I have resided in Roseville since 1993.
I have two children enrolled in the Roseville Schools.
Currently, I am serving on the Transportation and Transit Subcommittee of
Imagine Roseville 2025. Regarding Light Rail, it is my understanding that the
Northeast Corridor is reserved for a busway/walking/biking path rather than
Light Rail. I think LRT is important, but as Karen Shafer
has pointed out, it is hideously expensive and dependent on Federal matching
funds. I would be willing to settle for a dedicated busway from White Bear to
downtown Minneapolis running through our fair city.
Regarding a community center, I am certainly envious of Shoreview's facility.
However, as a property tax payer, I feel tapped out right now. Unless the
Legislature shoots some additional aid to cities and school districts, I am
quite hesitant to take it on. I would have to
see what the cost per household would be.
Steve Baird
More info: http://forums.e-democracy.org/Roseville/contacts/stevebaird
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From: Roger Toogood Date: 2006 Sep 25 17:21 CDT Short link
As co-chair of the Roseville Imagine 2025 Transportation and Transit Committee
I want to add to Deb Blooms statement by sharing the following items that our
Committee has identified:
Our Goal #2 is- "Roseville has by 2025 a comprehensive and reliable public
transportation system that meets the needs of all age groups-"
A few of the Strategies for that goal that we have agreed to are-
-Build light rail ,transit, bus rapid transit, in strategic and
appropriate corridors-
-Determine the feasibility of constructing and operating a light
rail transit line from Arden Hills through Roseville and Falcon
Heights to connect with the planned Central Corridor light rail
transit line-
-Reinstate the North East Diagonal Corridor transit project as a
priority-{ We have copies of this extensive report}
-etc. etc.
It is also our plan to have Kathy DeSpiegelaere, the Director of the Ramsey
County Regional Railroad Authority meet with our committee on the subject of
looking at the feasibility of light rail in Roseville.
Roger Toogood-