Survey: cycling on pavements
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Posts with files From File Date gpsmith 2009 May 13 19:16 UTC Stephanie Jenkins 2009 May 14 06:55 UTC - Latest post made by Alison M. at 2009 May 14 08:50 UTC
Headington residents have complained that too many cyclists are riding on pavements, and the Headington North police team is keen to find out how often this happens, where it happens, and what time it happens. They are producing a leaflet to give to cyclists that will explain to them the consequences of cycling on pavements, the safety hazards this causes for pedestrians, and some information on safer routes to take. I think that's a really good idea. If you see a cyclist riding on the pavement rather than on the cycle track in the Headington area, they request that you report it via email giving the date, time and place. This will help them identify the areas they need to focus on. The contact email address for the team is: <email obscured> and they promised to acknowledge all emails to their inbox within 24 hours at a recent area committee meeting!
Whilst some on-pavement cycling can be troublesome, much of it is little more than a nuisance. From research and observation most behaviour, which is made illegal by regulation, has a cause. The behaviour belongs to the cyclist but the environmental cause has also been made, it is not immutable or inevitable. The causes of the behaviour are the traffic conditions and the environment which has been created by the Highway Authority. The Authority is, in my opinion, about to make things worse for pedestrian and cyclist in their Headington proposals. In this case the Police could be very helpful by ensuring that the design proposals will give a convenient place for those who cycle and a calm and amenable environment for those who walk.
Graham -----Original Message----- From: <email obscured> <email obscured>] Sent: 10 May 2009 22:24 To: <email obscured> Subject: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements Headington residents have complained that too many cyclists are riding on pavements, and the Headington North police team is keen to find out how often this happens, where it happens, and what time it happens. They are producing a leaflet to give to cyclists that will explain to them the consequences of cycling on pavements, the safety hazards this causes for pedestrians, and some information on safer routes to take. I think that's a really good idea. If you see a cyclist riding on the pavement rather than on the cycle track in the Headington area, they request that you report it via email giving the date, time and place. This will help them identify the areas they need to focus on. The contact email address for the team is: <email obscured> and they promised to acknowledge all emails to their inbox within 24 hours at a recent area committee meeting! Ruth Wilkinson Headington, Oxford Info about Ruth Wilkinson: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/4sPZdZFjHWvbwjqVXjKjFk View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/1Rmxw512yn6wSF1URZP8rT
I was a little puzzled by Ruth's reference to 'the cycle track'. What cycle track? There is pitifully little dedicated cycle track in the Headington and Marston area, as there is in the city as a whole. If there were better facilities for cyclists, there would be less cycling on pavements.
I really think we ought to look again at the top half of Cuckoo Lane behind where the football stadium was and confirm it as a Bridleway. There is very little foot traffic along there, and a courteous cyclist (and we all are) would cause no more offence or danger - in fact much less - there than on the path from Marston across the University Park where cycling is freely allowed. Cycling on London Road is even worse now it is wider and you have to compete with buses and cars on both sides even though only one side is marked in red. I have of course had many close encounters with pedestrians on (for example) the Botley Road pavement cycle track who are quite oblivious of being on the clearly marked cycling section of the road. A courteous cyclist who stops and acknowledges pedestrians, dogs and iPod wearers is not going to cause any accidents. It's only a matter of time on the other hand before a cyclist is mangled on London Road again - even when the traffic is going at 20mph - roughly the same speed as a cyclist potentially sitting in a car's blind spot. At 30mph, at least you were passed and visible again quickly. The general righteous anger at 'cycling on the pavement' as far as I can see is directed at 'aggravating youths driving without consideration or tact on the pavement outside Budgens and the bus stop'. In general, a well conducted bicycle is just not a hazard to pedestrians if used responsibly and walked where necessary. BTW - for general interest - see: David Clover
-----Original Message----- From: <email obscured> <email obscured>] Sent: 11 May 2009 20:12 To: <email obscured> Subject: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements I was a little puzzled by Ruth's reference to 'the cycle track'. What cycle track? There is pitifully little dedicated cycle track in the Headington and Marston area, as there is in the city as a whole. If there were better facilities for cyclists, there would be less cycling on pavements. Chris Brewer Info about Chris Brewer: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/chrisbrewer View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/7EQVjk0Jp4qntviJPEBhDG ----------------------------------------- To post, e-mail: <email obscured> Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" in subject, then send to: <email obscured> More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum: http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules ----------------------------------------- Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net
I tell you what - we'll do you a swap. You have cycling on the bit of Cuckoo Lane past the hospital and we'll have it banned again on the bit between Pullens Lane and the Marston Rd where it is just too narrow (especially at this time of year when the plants are all growing over the path) and cyclists career down there with the high wall on one side and the ditch on the other. I've been asking for at least the no cycling signs to be returned there for the best part of a decade now - and it's bloody annoying that nothing's ever been done (I suggested I'd buy them myself last year to no avail - £45 each will hardly break the bank. An alternative route, going further along Pullen's Lane and down through Morrell Hall via the entrance opposite the old Plater College was agreed as part of the Transport 2000 project but was never actually signed properly. There's nowhere legitimate you can go off of that part of Cuckoo Lane - the main path into the halls of residence has a fixed "kissing gate" type thing indicating you're not supposed to go hurtling down that steep path in a bike and the park itself is signed, but not enforced, as no cycling. The lower part of the Lane is too narrow at any time of the year to share between cycling and pedestrians.
Jock On 11 May 2009, at 22:20, David Clover wrote: > I really think we ought to look again at the top half of Cuckoo Lane > behind where the football stadium was and confirm it as a Bridleway. > There is very little foot traffic along there, and a courteous > cyclist (and we all are) would cause no more offence or danger - in > fact much less - there than on the path from Marston across the > University Park where cycling is freely allowed. Cycling on London > Road is even worse now it is wider and you have to compete with > buses and cars on both sides even though only one side is marked in > red. > > I have of course had many close encounters with pedestrians on (for > example) the Botley Road pavement cycle track who are quite > oblivious of being on the clearly marked cycling section of the > road. A courteous cyclist who stops and acknowledges pedestrians, > dogs and iPod wearers is not going to cause any accidents. It's only > a matter of time on the other hand before a cyclist is mangled on > London Road again - even when the traffic is going at 20mph - > roughly the same speed as a cyclist potentially sitting in a car's > blind spot. At 30mph, at least you were passed and visible again > quickly. > > The general righteous anger at 'cycling on the pavement' as far as I > can see is directed at 'aggravating youths driving without > consideration or tact on the pavement outside Budgens and the bus > stop'. In general, a well conducted bicycle is just not a hazard to > pedestrians if used responsibly and walked where necessary. > > BTW - for general interest - see: > > David Clover -- Jock Coats - OX3 Online, the community portal for OX3 Warden's Flat 1e, J Block Morrell Hall, OXFORD, OX3 0FF m: 07769 695767 skype:jock.coats?call <email obscured> http://jockcoats.me
You could use the other wider path between Pullens lane and Marston Road that goes into the top end of Morrell Hall. Much better visibility and nearly 2 metres wide which seems to be the County Engineers standard for joint use pathways. Roy Darke
> From: <email obscured> > To: <email obscured> > Subject: Re: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:06 +0100 > > I tell you what - we'll do you a swap. You have cycling on the bit of > Cuckoo Lane past the hospital and we'll have it banned again on the > bit between Pullens Lane and the Marston Rd where it is just too > narrow (especially at this time of year when the plants are all > growing over the path) and cyclists career down there with the high > wall on one side and the ditch on the other. > > I've been asking for at least the no cycling signs to be returned > there for the best part of a decade now - and it's bloody annoying > that nothing's ever been done (I suggested I'd buy them myself last > year to no avail - 45 each will hardly break the bank. An > alternative route, going further along Pullen's Lane and down through > Morrell Hall via the entrance opposite the old Plater College was > agreed as part of the Transport 2000 project but was never actually > signed properly. > > There's nowhere legitimate you can go off of that part of Cuckoo Lane > - the main path into the halls of residence has a fixed "kissing gate" > type thing indicating you're not supposed to go hurtling down that > steep path in a bike and the park itself is signed, but not enforced, > as no cycling. The lower part of the Lane is too narrow at any time > of the year to share between cycling and pedestrians. > > Jock > > On 11 May 2009, at 22:20, David Clover wrote: > > > I really think we ought to look again at the top half of Cuckoo Lane > > behind where the football stadium was and confirm it as a Bridleway. > > There is very little foot traffic along there, and a courteous > > cyclist (and we all are) would cause no more offence or danger - in > > fact much less - there than on the path from Marston across the > > University Park where cycling is freely allowed. Cycling on London > > Road is even worse now it is wider and you have to compete with > > buses and cars on both sides even though only one side is marked in > > red. > > > > I have of course had many close encounters with pedestrians on (for > > example) the Botley Road pavement cycle track who are quite > > oblivious of being on the clearly marked cycling section of the > > road. A courteous cyclist who stops and acknowledges pedestrians, > > dogs and iPod wearers is not going to cause any accidents. It's only > > a matter of time on the other hand before a cyclist is mangled on > > London Road again - even when the traffic is going at 20mph - > > roughly the same speed as a cyclist potentially sitting in a car's > > blind spot. At 30mph, at least you were passed and visible again > > quickly. > > > > The general righteous anger at 'cycling on the pavement' as far as I > > can see is directed at 'aggravating youths driving without > > consideration or tact on the pavement outside Budgens and the bus > > stop'. In general, a well conducted bicycle is just not a hazard to > > pedestrians if used responsibly and walked where necessary. > > > > BTW - for general interest - see: > > > > David Clover > > -- > Jock Coats - OX3 Online, the community portal for OX3 > Warden's Flat 1e, J Block Morrell Hall, OXFORD, OX3 0FF > m: 07769 695767 skype:jock.coats?call > <email obscured> http://jockcoats.me > > > Jock Coats > Headington/Marston - Headington Hill, Oxford > Info about Jock Coats: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/jockcoats > > View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/1mc8qP7YLplQxwCTtIKHj8 > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/
On 11 May 2009, at 23:44, roy darke wrote: > You could use the other wider path between Pullens lane and Marston > Road that goes into the top end of Morrell Hall. Much better > visibility and nearly 2 metres wide which seems to be the County > Engineers standard for joint use pathways. What I wrote: > > An > > alternative route, going further along Pullen's Lane and down > through > > Morrell Hall via the entrance opposite the old Plater College was > > agreed as part of the Transport 2000 project but was never actually > > signed properly. There are other issues. There needs to be a right of way agreement concluded with the Pullen's Lane Residents Association for example but they have no objection to that as I understand it. And it needs to be signposted properly so people know there is an alternative. *I* don't want to use anything. I want to be able to walk on the footpath without being being sent flying off Cuckoo Lane by the cyclists. It was, until about ten years ago, signed as no cycling just like the bit by the hospital. For whatever reason the signs were removed (student prank?) they have never been replaced or the agreed route signposted (at either top or bottom).
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If only ALL cyclists were courteous! I don't wear an ipod when I am walking along Windmill Road, but I never hear the cyclists coming behind me at speed on the pavement, neither do these particular ones use a bell. Is it still a legal requirement to have a bell on a cycle (or was it only ever a recommendation?). I used to cycle (now have knee problems and can't) and I can see both sides in regards to cycling on the pavement, especially London Road and Windmill Road when they are busy.I only cycled on the pavement once, at night, when my light died on me, and it was the safest option for me and other road users. Why do I see cyclists on the pavement in Windmill Road at the weekend when the road is much quieter and there is no need for this? Having had a very near miss with a cyclist whilst pushing a wheelchair, and the increasing frequency of cyclists on the path, I can only think that a nasty injury will occur soon. If car drivers and cyclists were polite to each other, then pedestrians would not find themselves at risk. Debbie Evans
It is now a legal requirement that new bicycles are sold with bells, but there is no requirement either (1) to keep the bell on the cycle or (2) to fit one on to an old cycle. Every bell I have ever had has rusted up and stopped working very quickly, as my bike has to stay out in the rain at work. Also I find that bells are often used with an aggressive "out-of-my-way" attitude, regardless of whether the cyclist is in the right. I am not sure it makes things much better. I have written to the police as Ruth suggested and I hope other people will too. The email address (for the sake of those reading this on the forum, where email addresses get blotted out) is HeadingtonNorth[at sign]thamesvalley[dot]pnn[dot]police[dot]uk
The cycling on the pavement business will only be tackled long term if parents insist on cycling with their young children on the road and teaching them highway safety. The best way is to cycle with your child in front of you and shout instructions at them as you go along. With some common sense and experience, cycling on the road is really not as dangerous as many people think. While cycling on the pavement rarely leads to serious accidents, more vulnerable pedestrians find it very threatening, particularly the elderly and small children. I would love to see it completely outlawed. If all cyclists were forced onto the roads, ideally on separate cycle lanes, then many of them would just have to cycle more responsibly. In turn, motorists would have to take more account of them and pavements would be safer for pedestrians. Tuirning a blind eye to pavement cycling on the basis that the roads are too dangeous is simply a counsel of despair which benefits nobody. On the issue of bells I find my bell is rarely heard above iPods and mobile phones, glued to some pedestrians' ears. Saying 'Excuse me, please' generally works better and can get louder and less polite if your request is repeatedly ignored. Mary Clarkson (Cllr) Marston Ward Oxford City Council
----- Original Message ----- From: <email obscured>> To: <email obscured>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements > It is now a legal requirement that new bicycles are sold with bells, but > there is no requirement either (1) to keep the bell on the cycle or (2) to > fit one on to an old cycle. > > Every bell I have ever had has rusted up and stopped working very quickly, > as my bike has to stay out in the rain at work. > > Also I find that bells are often used with an aggressive "out-of-my-way" > attitude, regardless of whether the cyclist is in the right. I am not > sure it makes things much better. > > I have written to the police as Ruth suggested and I hope other people > will too. The email address (for the sake of those reading this on the > forum, where email addresses get blotted out) is > HeadingtonNorth[at sign]thamesvalley[dot]pnn[dot]police[dot]uk > Stephanie Jenkins > Headington ward, Oxford > Info about Stephanie Jenkins: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/stephaniejenkins > > View all messages on this topic at: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/5hMHlTb6pNh7ftQ5MqxKYQ > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood > Forum: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net >
The situation isn't really helped by the cycle tracks actually marked on the pavements, which simply confuse matters. If the rules allowed for riding of bikes on the pavement pedestrians would be used to the idea and aware of the possibility. That would be safer. It doesn't seem to present a problem in the US Capital, viz, in Washington DC riding a cycle on the pavement (sidewalk) is permissible under the following conditions: "There shall be no prohibition against any person riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk within the District, so long as the rider does not create a hazard ... Any person riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk shall yield the right of way to pedestrians and shall travel at a speed no greater than the posted speeed limit of the adjacent roadway; provided that such speed is safe for the conditions then exising on the sidewalk. A person propelling a bicycle upon and along a sidewalk or while crossing a roadway or in a crosswalk shall have all the rights and duties applicable to a pedestrian under the same cirsumstances, except that the bicyclist must yield to pedestrians on the sidewalk or crosswalk."
----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Clarkson To: <email obscured> ; <email obscured> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements The cycling on the pavement business will only be tackled long term if parents insist on cycling with their young children on the road and teaching them highway safety. The best way is to cycle with your child in front of you and shout instructions at them as you go along. With some common sense and experience, cycling on the road is really not as dangerous as many people think. While cycling on the pavement rarely leads to serious accidents, more vulnerable pedestrians find it very threatening, particularly the elderly and small children. I would love to see it completely outlawed. If all cyclists were forced onto the roads, ideally on separate cycle lanes, then many of them would just have to cycle more responsibly. In turn, motorists would have to take more account of them and pavements would be safer for pedestrians. Tuirning a blind eye to pavement cycling on the basis that the roads are too dangeous is simply a counsel of despair which benefits nobody. On the issue of bells I find my bell is rarely heard above iPods and mobile phones, glued to some pedestrians' ears. Saying 'Excuse me, please' generally works better and can get louder and less polite if your request is repeatedly ignored. Mary Clarkson (Cllr) Marston Ward Oxford City Council ----- Original Message ----- From: <email obscured>> To: <email obscured>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements > It is now a legal requirement that new bicycles are sold with bells, but > there is no requirement either (1) to keep the bell on the cycle or (2) to > fit one on to an old cycle. > > Every bell I have ever had has rusted up and stopped working very quickly, > as my bike has to stay out in the rain at work. > > Also I find that bells are often used with an aggressive "out-of-my-way" > attitude, regardless of whether the cyclist is in the right. I am not > sure it makes things much better. > > I have written to the police as Ruth suggested and I hope other people > will too. The email address (for the sake of those reading this on the > forum, where email addresses get blotted out) is > HeadingtonNorth[at sign]thamesvalley[dot]pnn[dot]police[dot]uk > Stephanie Jenkins > Headington ward, Oxford > Info about Stephanie Jenkins: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/stephaniejenkins > > View all messages on this topic at: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/5hMHlTb6pNh7ftQ5MqxKYQ > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood > Forum: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net > Mary Clarkson Old Headington, Oxford City Council Info about Mary Clarkson: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/maryclarkson View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/L5LhwSSk9LVFTFir9jp6o ----------------------------------------- To post, e-mail: <email obscured> Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" in subject, then send to: <email obscured> More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum: http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules ----------------------------------------- Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2108 - Release Date: 05/11/09 05:52:00
Pippa I think this sort of sidewalk sharing works well when there is mutual respect and more importantly, plenty of space. In the more cramped environment of most English (old) towns, it doesn't work so well. One of the biggest dangers for pavement cycling in this country is the fact that people's property forms a boundary with the pavement. It is a very real possibility that you could set foot out of your front gate and immediately be in the cycling super-highway! This is a real danger, particularly with respect to children who may not necessarily be expecting to meet with a cyclist on the pavement when leaving their garden! In New Zealand they have areas of pavement, footpath, cycleways etc where the signs simply say "Share with care". It doesn't appear to be prioritised to any particular form of transport at all. Again, these are usually in the more open areas, where personal properties don't directly border. Mick Pippa Gwilliam wrote: > The situation isn't really helped by the cycle tracks actually marked on the pavements, which simply confuse matters. If the rules allowed for riding of bikes on the pavement pedestrians would be used to the idea and aware of the possibility. That would be safer. It doesn't seem to present a problem in the US Capital, viz, in Washington DC riding a cycle on the pavement (sidewalk) is permissible under the following conditions: > > "There shall be no prohibition against any person riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk within the District, so long as the rider does not create a hazard ... Any person riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk shall yield the right of way to pedestrians and shall travel at a speed no greater than the posted speeed limit of the adjacent roadway; provided that such speed is safe for the conditions then exising on the sidewalk. A person propelling a bicycle upon and along a sidewalk or while crossing a roadway or in a crosswalk shall have all the rights and duties applicable to a pedestrian under the same cirsumstances, except that the bicyclist must yield to pedestrians on the sidewalk or crosswalk." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Clarkson > To: <email obscured> ; <email obscured> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements > > > The cycling on the pavement business will only be tackled long term if > parents insist on cycling with their young children on the road and teaching
> them highway safety. The best way is to cycle with your child in front of > you and shout instructions at them as you go along. With some common sense > and experience, cycling on the road is really not as dangerous as many > people think. While cycling on the pavement rarely leads to serious > accidents, more vulnerable pedestrians find it very threatening, > particularly the elderly and small children. I would love to see it > completely outlawed. If all cyclists were forced onto the roads, ideally on > separate cycle lanes, then many of them would just have to cycle more > responsibly. In turn, motorists would have to take more account of them and > pavements would be safer for pedestrians. Tuirning a blind eye to pavement > cycling on the basis that the roads are too dangeous is simply a counsel of > despair which benefits nobody. > > On the issue of bells I find my bell is rarely heard above iPods and mobile > phones, glued to some pedestrians' ears. Saying 'Excuse me, please' > generally works better and can get louder and less polite if your request is > repeatedly ignored. > > Mary Clarkson (Cllr) > Marston Ward > Oxford City Council > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <email obscured>> > To: <email obscured>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:48 AM > Subject: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements > > > > It is now a legal requirement that new bicycles are sold with bells, but > > there is no requirement either (1) to keep the bell on the cycle or (2) to > > fit one on to an old cycle. > > > > Every bell I have ever had has rusted up and stopped working very quickly, > > as my bike has to stay out in the rain at work. > > > > Also I find that bells are often used with an aggressive "out-of-my-way" > > attitude, regardless of whether the cyclist is in the right. I am not > > sure it makes things much better. > > > > I have written to the police as Ruth suggested and I hope other people > > will too. The email address (for the sake of those reading this on the > > forum, where email addresses get blotted out) is > > HeadingtonNorth[at sign]thamesvalley[dot]pnn[dot]police[dot]uk > > Stephanie Jenkins > > Headington ward, Oxford > > Info about Stephanie Jenkins: > > http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/stephaniejenkins > > > > View all messages on this topic at: > > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/5hMHlTb6pNh7ftQ5MqxKYQ > > ----------------------------------------- > > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood > > Forum: > > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm > > > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > > ----------------------------------------- > > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net > > > > > Mary Clarkson > Old Headington, Oxford City Council > Info about Mary Clarkson: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/maryclarkson > > View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/L5LhwSSk9LVFTFir9jp6o > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2108 - Release Date: 05/11/09 05:52:00 > > Pippa Gwilliam > Barton Estate > Info about Pippa Gwilliam: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/pippagwilliam > > View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/1EOjPCty4cpXews0PbLPQ7 > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net -- ========================== Mick Smith. 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Fair enough but my point really was that half the time there is a cycling route marked out on the pavement anyway. The rules are inconsistent and confused, and typical of the half-hearted way we tend to deal with things in this country when we're not quite sure and don't want to stick our necks out. Or our representatives, more accurately, do. But yes, not only the pavements but often the roads are quite narrow, I agree. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mick Smith To: <email obscured> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements Pippa I think this sort of sidewalk sharing works well when there is mutual respect and more importantly, plenty of space. In the more cramped environment of most English (old) towns, it doesn't work so well. One of the biggest dangers for pavement cycling in this country is the fact that people's property forms a boundary with the pavement. It is a very real possibility that you could set foot out of your front gate and immediately be in the cycling super-highway! This is a real danger, particularly with respect to children who may not necessarily be expecting to meet with a cyclist on the pavement when leaving their garden! In New Zealand they have areas of pavement, footpath, cycleways etc where the signs simply say "Share with care". It doesn't appear to be prioritised to any particular form of transport at all. Again, these are usually in the more open areas, where personal properties don't directly border. Mick Pippa Gwilliam wrote: > The situation isn't really helped by the cycle tracks actually marked on the pavements, which simply confuse matters. If the rules allowed for riding of bikes on the pavement pedestrians would be used to the idea and aware of the possibility. That would be safer. It doesn't seem to present a problem in the US Capital, viz, in Washington DC riding a cycle on the pavement (sidewalk) is permissible under the following conditions: > > "There shall be no prohibition against any person riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk within the District, so long as the rider does not create a hazard ... Any person riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk shall yield the right of way to pedestrians and shall travel at a speed no greater than the posted speeed limit of the adjacent roadway; provided that such speed is safe for the conditions then exising on the sidewalk. A person propelling a bicycle upon and along a sidewalk or while crossing a roadway or in a crosswalk shall have all the rights and duties applicable to a pedestrian under the same cirsumstances, except that the bicyclist must yield to pedestrians on the sidewalk or crosswalk." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Clarkson > To: <email obscured> ; <email obscured> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements > > > The cycling on the pavement business will only be tackled long term if > parents insist on cycling with their young children on the road and teaching > them highway safety. The best way is to cycle with your child in front of > you and shout instructions at them as you go along. With some common sense > and experience, cycling on the road is really not as dangerous as many > people think. While cycling on the pavement rarely leads to serious > accidents, more vulnerable pedestrians find it very threatening, > particularly the elderly and small children. I would love to see it > completely outlawed. If all cyclists were forced onto the roads, ideally on > separate cycle lanes, then many of them would just have to cycle more > responsibly. In turn, motorists would have to take more account of them and > pavements would be safer for pedestrians. Tuirning a blind eye to pavement > cycling on the basis that the roads are too dangeous is simply a counsel of > despair which benefits nobody. > > On the issue of bells I find my bell is rarely heard above iPods and mobile > phones, glued to some pedestrians' ears. Saying 'Excuse me, please' > generally works better and can get louder and less polite if your request is > repeatedly ignored. > > Mary Clarkson (Cllr) > Marston Ward > Oxford City Council > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <email obscured>> > To: <email obscured>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:48 AM > Subject: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements > > > > It is now a legal requirement that new bicycles are sold with bells, but > > there is no requirement either (1) to keep the bell on the cycle or (2) to > > fit one on to an old cycle. > > > > Every bell I have ever had has rusted up and stopped working very quickly, > > as my bike has to stay out in the rain at work. > > > > Also I find that bells are often used with an aggressive "out-of-my-way" > > attitude, regardless of whether the cyclist is in the right. I am not > > sure it makes things much better. > > > > I have written to the police as Ruth suggested and I hope other people > > will too. 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The pavement cycle lanes appear to have been removed under Phase 1 of the Headington/London Road scheme. I am glad about this, but don't think the new provision for cyclists is very good. The cycle lanes on such a busy road should be mandatory (with a solid white line). All the new cycle lanes are discretionary (indicated by the broken white line), which means that motor vehicles are allowed to drive in them, rather defeating their purpose. From central Headington going citywards, you only reach a mandatory cycle lane when you get to the top of Headington Hill. Coming back, again all the cycle lanes are discretionary, but at least you can cycle freely in the new bus lane.
Stephanie The white lines have indeed been removed from the pavement itself, but last time I checked (a couple of days back), the blue signs indicating the presence of a shared cycle and pedestrian area were still fixed to the lampposts along the stretch between Latimer and Brookside. Even *more* confusion! Mick <email obscured> wrote: > The pavement cycle lanes appear to have been removed under Phase 1 of the Headington/London Road scheme. I am glad about this, but don't think the new provision for cyclists is very good. > > The cycle lanes on such a busy road should be mandatory (with a solid white line). All the new cycle lanes are discretionary (indicated by the broken white line), which means that motor vehicles are allowed to drive in them, rather defeating their purpose. > > From central Headington going citywards, you only reach a mandatory cycle lane when you get to the top of Headington Hill. Coming back, again all the cycle lanes are discretionary, but at least you can cycle freely in the new bus lane. > Stephanie Jenkins > Headington ward, Oxford > Info about Stephanie Jenkins: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/stephaniejenkins > > View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/5mXPmJjEi7UQEkBGJLq9oV > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum:
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...."cycle freely in the new bus line". Personally I'd rather take my chances with cars - ordinary ones, not the speeding taxis in the bus lane. Sharron Jenkinson
-----Original Message----- From: <email obscured> <email obscured>] Sent: 13 May 2009 17:33 To: <email obscured> Subject: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements The pavement cycle lanes appear to have been removed under Phase 1 of the Headington/London Road scheme. I am glad about this, but don't think the new provision for cyclists is very good. The cycle lanes on such a busy road should be mandatory (with a solid white line). All the new cycle lanes are discretionary (indicated by the broken white line), which means that motor vehicles are allowed to drive in them, rather defeating their purpose. From central Headington going citywards, you only reach a mandatory cycle lane when you get to the top of Headington Hill. Coming back, again all the cycle lanes are discretionary, but at least you can cycle freely in the new bus lane. Stephanie Jenkins Headington ward, Oxford Info about Stephanie Jenkins: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/stephaniejenkins View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/5mXPmJjEi7UQEkBGJLq9oV ----------------------------------------- To post, e-mail: <email obscured> Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" in subject, then send to: <email obscured> More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum: http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules ----------------------------------------- Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2111 - Release Date: 05/12/09 18:03:00
The mandatory lanes on the Hill are more murderous stupidity. Uphill you fight to pass the lampposts without being squeezed in a lane where it is too narrow to wobble. Downhill if you dare to ride inside the mandatory line you might find a vehicle brushing past at speed. When you are between a wall and a coach at downhill speed it feels appallingly threatening. As you pass Cheney Lane and the corner of the wall is at the edge of the lane it could be suicidal. I try to ride outside the lane for my own safety. This picture from the excellent Google Street View gives an idea of the tightness.
Graham -----Original Message----- From: Mick Smith <email obscured>] Sent: 13 May 2009 17:42 To: <email obscured> Subject: Re: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements Stephanie The white lines have indeed been removed from the pavement itself, but last time I checked (a couple of days back), the blue signs indicating the presence of a shared cycle and pedestrian area were still fixed to the lampposts along the stretch between Latimer and Brookside. Even *more* confusion! Mick <email obscured> wrote: > The pavement cycle lanes appear to have been removed under Phase 1 of the Headington/London Road scheme. I am glad about this, but don't think the new provision for cyclists is very good. > > The cycle lanes on such a busy road should be mandatory (with a solid white line). All the new cycle lanes are discretionary (indicated by the broken white line), which means that motor vehicles are allowed to drive in them, rather defeating their purpose. > > From central Headington going citywards, you only reach a mandatory cycle lane when you get to the top of Headington Hill. Coming back, again all the cycle lanes are discretionary, but at least you can cycle freely in the new bus lane. > Stephanie Jenkins > Headington ward, Oxford > Info about Stephanie Jenkins: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/stephaniejenkins > > View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/5mXPmJjEi7UQEkBGJLq9oV > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net -- ========================== Mick Smith. Operations Analyst, Computer Services, Oxford Brookes University. -------------------------- <email obscured> Tel: +44 (0)1865 483348 Fax: +44 (0)1865 483073 ========================== Views and opinions expressed may be personal, and not necessarily those of Oxford Brookes University. Mick Smith Info about Mick Smith: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/micksmith View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/4Vk4E7fVsG5mgWzPPtzVWI ----------------------------------------- To post, e-mail: <email obscured> Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" in subject, then send to: <email obscured> More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum: http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules ----------------------------------------- Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net
the photo was cut so I attempt to paste it through the web forum Graham
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Two things: * I assume that the sharing of pavements along the London Road will continue in part as they've laid down the ridged paving slabs that are grooved so that they are bumpy for cyclists who deviate from the designated shared lane (and also bumpy for other wheeled users). * Whether they ring bells or say 'excuse me' it is a pain to have cyclists coming at you from all directions when you're walking on the pavement. Just sometimes it is pleasant to walk down a pavement, sometimes with ipod on, and when you're on a clear stretch not have to keep a look out for someone about to swerve around you. More so when you are on a narrow patch with small children in tow.
"Whether they ring bells or say 'excuse me' it is a pain to have cyclists coming at you from all directions when you're walking on the pavement" Exactly! I'm sorry, but it's not hard to understand - if you are on a pushbike you are not supposed to be on the pavement (unless it's divided but you're still supposed to be on 'your' side). If I'm on my own two feet, I have every right to be on that pavement - I am not going to move for you, I am not going to turn down my earphones and I am not going to be responsible for your safety as well as my own. I know the above sounds harsh but I am sick to the back teeth of being knocked over by cyclists who protest that it is 'too dangerous' to cycle on the road (I am sure none of these sillies participate in this forum) and so feel that they can endanger my safety for their convenience. I'm saying this as a pedestrian, a cyclist, a car driver and a motorcyclist (and it's the latter that has given me the most hair-raising incidents, cor blimey). Of course this is all made ten times harder by the haphazard implementation of cycle lanes, but I have to say that the PCSOs in Wood Farm have been doing a great job of cracking down on teenagers cycling on pavements, so all respect to them. I shall stop ranting now lest it looks like I've swallowed a copy of the Daily Fail...!
Graham- you also forgot to mention the road signs in the Headington Hill cycle lane over the last year that have forced cyclists into the traffic of which the classic was the one near the top advising us "Cycle lane to close"
> From: <email obscured> > To: <email obscured> > Subject: Re: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:12:29 +0100 > > The mandatory lanes on the Hill are more murderous stupidity. Uphill you > fight to pass the lampposts without being squeezed in a lane where it is too > narrow to wobble. Downhill if you dare to ride inside the mandatory line > you might find a vehicle brushing past at speed. When you are between a > wall and a coach at downhill speed it feels appallingly threatening. As you > pass Cheney Lane and the corner of the wall is at the edge of the lane it > could be suicidal. I try to ride outside the lane for my own safety. > > This picture from the excellent Google Street View gives an idea of the > tightness. > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mick Smith <email obscured>] > Sent: 13 May 2009 17:42 > To: <email obscured> > Subject: Re: [Oxford-HM] Survey: cycling on pavements > > > > Stephanie > > > > The white lines have indeed been removed from the pavement itself, but > > last time I checked (a couple of days back), the blue signs indicating > > the presence of a shared cycle and pedestrian area were still fixed to > > the lampposts along the stretch between Latimer and Brookside. Even > > *more* confusion! > > > > Mick > > > > <email obscured> wrote: > > > The pavement cycle lanes appear to have been removed under Phase 1 of the > Headington/London Road scheme. I am glad about this, but don't think the > new provision for cyclists is very good. > > > > > > The cycle lanes on such a busy road should be mandatory (with a solid > white line). All the new cycle lanes are discretionary (indicated by the > broken white line), which means that motor vehicles are allowed to drive in > them, rather defeating their purpose. > > > > > > From central Headington going citywards, you only reach a mandatory cycle > lane when you get to the top of Headington Hill. Coming back, again all the > cycle lanes are discretionary, but at least you can cycle freely in the new > bus lane. > > > Stephanie Jenkins > > > Headington ward, Oxford > > > Info about Stephanie Jenkins: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/stephaniejenkins > > > > > > View all messages on this topic at: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/5mXPmJjEi7UQEkBGJLq9oV > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > > > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > > > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > > > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > > > > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood > Forum: > > > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm > > > > > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net > > > > -- > > ========================== > > Mick Smith. > > Operations Analyst, > > Computer Services, > > Oxford Brookes University. > > -------------------------- > > <email obscured> > > Tel: +44 (0)1865 483348 > > Fax: +44 (0)1865 483073 > > ========================== > > Views and opinions expressed may be personal, > > and not necessarily those of Oxford Brookes University. > > > > Mick Smith > > > > Info about Mick Smith: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/micksmith > > > > View all messages on this topic at: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/4Vk4E7fVsG5mgWzPPtzVWI > > ----------------------------------------- > > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood > Forum: > > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm > > > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > > ----------------------------------------- > > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net > > > Graham Smith > Grandpont, Oxford > Info about gpsmith: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/14LYLBJ9P1gIoY56PJH0Am > > View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/407DNyP0HaiAqYVBZuR3uB > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Oxford - Headington & Marston Neighbourhood Forum: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/oxford-hm > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/
I have cycled with buses in the new bus lane back to Headington every day since it opened. I had been expecting it to be a nasty experience, but was pleasantly surprised. In the other direction towards Oxford, you still have to cycle with buses, but this time ones which have their wheels (quite legally) in the cycle lane. And you also get held up at every junction by cars in the cycle lane. Are they really going to put cycle lanes on the pavement as well, when they had this perfect opportunity to do the job properly? As for Headington Hill, I agree it feels dangerous. Do you remember when the wall collapsed into the cycle lane in October 2006 (photo uploaded)? Someone from the county council said on Bill Heine’s programme at the time that they had been aware of two areas of unstable wall. I cycle down Headington Hill warily every day, hoping that the other unstable part is on the opposite side....
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Both bits of unstable wall were on the same side, one just downhill and one just uphill of the bridge on the "promenade" side. They fixed them both at the same time.
Jock On 14 May 2009, at 07:57, <email obscured> wrote: > As for Headington Hill, I agree it feels dangerous. Do you remember > when the wall collapsed into the cycle lane in October 2006 (photo > uploaded)? Someone from the county council said on Bill Heine’s > programme at the time that they had been aware of two areas of > unstable wall. I cycle down Headington Hill warily every day, > hoping that the other unstable part is on the opposite side.... -- Jock Coats - OX3 Online, the community portal for OX3 Warden's Flat 1e, J Block Morrell Hall, OXFORD, OX3 0FF m: 07769 695767 skype:jock.coats?call <email obscured> http://jockcoats.me
Sorry to alarm you, but I think you'll find that there's an ominous bulge at head height about half way down on the left !! Alison M.
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I have cycled with buses in the new bus lane back to Headington every
day since it opened. I had been expecting it to be a nasty experience,
but was pleasantly surprised.
In the other direction towards Oxford, you still have to cycle with
buses, but this time ones which have their wheels (quite legally) in the
cycle lane. And you also get held up at every junction by cars in the
cycle lane.
Are they really going to put cycle lanes on the pavement as well, when
they had this perfect opportunity to do the job properly?
As for Headington Hill, I agree it feels dangerous. Do you remember
when the wall collapsed into the cycle lane in October 2006 (photo
uploaded)? Someone from the county council said on Bill Heine's
programme at the time that they had been aware of two areas of unstable
wall. I cycle down Headington Hill warily every day, hoping that the
other unstable part is on the opposite side....
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