All posts in the topic unpaved streets (Short link)
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- There are 6 posts — by 5 authors — in this topic.
- Latest post made by Justin Eibenholzl at 2007 Dec 03 21:59 UTC
Does Minneapolis have a lot of streets that have never been paved?
My question stems from the fact that, in the Como neighborhood, we
have four blocks of streets and alleys along our north edge that have
never been paved, plus a section of Talmadge Ave. and two blocks of
33rd Ave. SE, in east Como, that has never been paved. No sidewalks
in the latter or along Winter St.
These are streets that lie in the Ward 1 part of Como (recently, most
of Como has become part of Ward 2).
The CM is proposing that property owners in the north stretch decide
whether they want paving or not, given that there is a huge cost for
a "first-time paving" project. One young homeowner got residents to
sign a petition to ask for paving and new curbs, but evidently the
owners of commercial/industrial property don't like the idea of being
assessed for paving, and of course the absentee landlords are always
loathe to put money into streets they never traverse.
Just wondering how common it is in our city to have streets that are
still covered in what--back east where I come from--we called "tar
and chips," the next step up from simply grading a dirt road and
spraying it with water in the summer and fall to keep the dust down.
Also wondering how common it is in Minneapolis for members of
Council, or Public Works, to ask people if they want their streets
upgraded or not.
In 2004, we had streets redone, curbs repaired and sidewalk segments
replaced in north Como. Nobody asked us if we thought the situation
warranted doing that; we were told about it and when it would begin.
Whether we could afford the assessments or not was not taken into
consideration. We simply got letters telling us how much we would
pay. The project was in their schedule and would be done in the
proper rotation.
The CM says that it's an issue of Public Works's budget and plans in
CLIC, and that when he was reminded in 2004 that Public Works's "Como
North Street Renovation" project didn't include those four blocks
north of E. Hennepin Ave., he said he'd look into it. Nothing was
done. Now, it seems, because those streets aren't scheduled to be
renovated in any CLIC budget or plan, it will take another two-three
years or more to put the project in the plan and budget. If, of
course, the landlords and industrial properties agree to do it in the
first place.
This seems strange. Can anyone clarify how this works?
Connie
Como, in Southeast Minneapolis
Wow, Connie. This really is incredible. No one in Minneapolis should
have to live with unpaved streets these days. If they can't figure
out how to make property owners go for the assessment, perhaps they
can set it up so that tenants deduct the assessment payments from
their monthly rent payments as in many tenants rights actions. Why
this doesn't make the major newspapers, is also incredible. Seems
like if the mayor and Ward One CM can get their Porky's onion rings
in Nordeast now, that SE Como folks should be at least be able to
have their streets paved. What in the world are the priorities here?
I sure hope Connie gets some answers.
Just as a point of info, my brother lives in Lindstrom and they had the same
process in his neighborhood. His street was gravel, and last year the city
asked the neighborhood if they wanted it paved. At first they voted no due to
the price, but eventually changed their minds and now they've got curbs and
gutters. I don't remember the exact process they went through, but if anyone
really wants to know they can e-mail me off-list.
Kelly O'Brien
Kingfield
Bill Kahn <email obscured>> wrote:
"If they can't figure out how to make property owners go for the assessment,
perhaps they can set it up so that tenants deduct the assessment payments from
their monthly rent payments as in many tenants rights actions."
The General fund should bear the cost, NOT renters. Bill, please think about
where the landlord will get the funds to pay for those costs you suggest.
Bill's suggestion demonstrates what is an unfortunate misunderstanding by
many (especially the landed gentry sometimes called homeowners) of what happens
with "rent" and assessments. The "renter" always ends up paying for any and
all assessments and property taxes. The landlord never absorbs those
additional costs.
Some politicians to cover additional taxes on poor people use this fantasy.
Much like the consideration of the "Lighting Fees". The same is true with
Storm-Water Fees. Where the myth that passing the cost along to the nasty
landlord is the solution was perpetuated to cover what was really an incredibly
regressive tax on the poor. Renters ultimately pay ALL those fees and taxes
levied on the buildings where they live, because they are ALWAYS passed along
as higher rents. Renters and poor people bear a disproportionate amount of
taxation in Minneapolis.
As a person who takes pride in Progressive Minneapolis I am bothered by the
hypocrisy of a Democrat controlled city that engages in such regressive taxes
and continue to perpetuate the belief that landlords absorb the costs of their
hidden taxes. They dont, the poor and vulnerable do!
Jim Graham,
Ventura Village
"We measure the quality of our community by the way we provide for our
children, our elders and our handicapped. It should be our intent to build
community by laying a foundation on such principles and to organize its
structure to guarantee the safety and happiness of our most vulnerable."
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.
- Thomas Jefferson
At 3:44 PM -0600 11/30/07, Bill Kahn wrote: >Wow, Connie. This really is incredible. No one in Minneapolis should have to live with unpaved streets these days. Well, today's Star Tribune had a front-page article about the Twin Cities' unpaved streets, including a pic of my neighbor, Jeremiah Peterson, who has led the effort to get Minneapolis going on the area in north Como around his home. Here's the link: http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1587302.html Connie Como, in Southeast Mpls
Thanks for posting this Connie, I'm actually amazed the Strib covered this "dirty" little secret[road] - It's not like this has been an issue for long, other than the last two decades when it's repeatedly come up at board meetings. As we wait for wi-fi, maybe we can get the streets paved so the mayor can do a drive by? I know, I'm just so 20th century that way. Connie included: Here's the link: http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1587302.html> > Well, today's Star Tribune had a front-page article about the Twin > Cities' unpaved streets, including a pic of my neighbor, Jeremiah > Peterson, who has led the effort to get Minneapolis going on the area > in north Como around his home.> Justin been known to trip in the chuck-holes of Como
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