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The Star Tribune's editorial today again urged quick approval of the
Central Corridor LRT route that would close Washington Ave. SE for a
pedestrian/transit mall through the University's East Bank campus.
The editors claim that engineers have completed their comparative
analysis of the Washington Ave. SE closure versus using the U's
proposed Northern Route through Dinkytown. Where was that reported?
One new thing (also unreported so far) appeared in the editorial:
reference to a $25 million mitigation effort that would attempt to
address the massive negative traffic impacts of the avenue's closure
on Southeast Minneapolis neighbohoods. Such a mitigation plan "is in
the works," says the Strib. Because the paper has never reported on
the engineers' analysis, we don't know if traffic in the
neighborhoods--beyond the U's biomedical complex's problems--was part
of their study.
Why hasn't the Star Tribune reported either on that mitigation fund
or on the traffic messes that would occur in Southeast Minneapolis?
The paper's emphasis has been on the St. Paul segments of the Central
Corridor LRT or on the immediate University East Bank campus, where
total peacefulness, calm and order will supposedly reign. The paper
has never reported on East Bank residential and business
neighborhoods' future traffic problems.
Now, suddenly, instead of risking $40 million in inflation costs if
the LRT project were delayed so everyone could think it through more
carefully, LRT planners, per the Strib editorial, have mitigation
plans "in the works," a tacit acknowlegement by somebody of the
horrendous traffic diversions the no-vehicles-on-Washington Ave. SE
(and, folks, that may include the bridge itself!) will impose on the
people who live and do business in Southeast Minneapolis.
Who brought up the need for this mitigation plan? When? After what
study or analysis? Of what data? Where was it presented in public,
and by whom? Where will the money come from? (I look at $40 million
of inflation costs for delaying the LRT and $25 million for
cushioning negative traffic impacts and the figures are looking
closer all the time.) Where's the reporting of this new factor in
the financial or cost equation? Where will the negative traffic
impacts be? What are the [even provisional] mitigation plans? Why
wasn't mitigation part of the analysis for all these months?
Why is this LRT project moving ahead so fast and without full and
respectful study of its impacts on Minneapolis residents?
Here's an instance among many: Traffic data for all of Southeast were
presented to the Southeast Como Improvement Association early this
month by the Metro Council's Central Corridor planning group. I
looked at their projections of what will happen to the multiple
intersections of I35W, University Ave. SE and 4th St. SE, combined
with their cheek-by-jowl intersections of 10th Ave. SE with
University Ave. and 4th St. SE. Mindbloggling, the numbers of motor
vehicles per hour and per day that will attempt to go through those
two blocks'-worth of eight intersections of major two- or four-lane
streets, if Washington Ave. SE and the bridge are closed. Those eight
clustered intersections will be at the point traffic engineers call
"failure" with all the extra traffic that is diverted off Washington
Ave. So go the projections, anyway.
No one in their right mind would ever try to walk or bike through
those congested intersections, or even go near them.
Then, too, nobody seems to have studied the geological features of
the river bluff on the East Side by the University: every
winter/spring melt that East River Road bluff tries to let itself
fall into the river, and it has to be shored up. There's currently
only light traffic on East River Road (it's a parkway), but if most
vehicular traffic is diverted from Washington Ave. onto East River
Parkway, there will be many thousands more motor vehicles each day,
including trucks, on the East River Road Parkway. Has anyone spoken
to the Park Board about such a diversion of heavy traffic onto one of
the oldest segments of the Grand Rounds? I don't think so. Can the
East River Parkway roadbed take the extra volume and weight? Nobody
knows, apparently.
Then there's the Franklin Ave. bridge to consider. Today, everything
but trucks can cross to the East Bank over that bridge and go north
or south on parkway or east (on Franklin Ave. SE); trucks must use
27th Ave. SE. Franklin Ave. bridge will see a huge increase in
vehicular traffic with Washngton Ave.SE closed, much of which will
head onto parkway and other residential streets.
Snafus and jams and "failed intersections" are also predicted for
the I94 entrances/exits in Southeast Minneapolis; traffic will have
to be diverted onto various residential streets.
These issues have not been part of the Central Corridor discussion,
despite Marcy-Holmes, Como, and Prospect Park--and the
University--trying to bring them into it.
Sadly, I am becoming convinced that the tunnel under Washington Ave.
SE, which the original LRT Central Corridor plans entailed and to
which the University of Minnesota agreed, was the best route. Costly,
but the best solution to problematic future traffic issues.
I am also convinced that Central Corridor planning and decisions are
being made without due diligence by the officials concerned, who
mostly just want to Do It, and Do It Fast, no matter what the
negative consequences for people who live in, and want to move around
in, Southeast Minneapolis. Decisionmakers have tunnel vision (irony
intended) and just see the Corridor, not the urban fabric that
surrounds it and into which the Corridor is enmeshed.
And the absence from our Minneapolis paper of anything but
unquestioning editorial boosterism and lack of solid reporting on
this Minneapolis issue is not helping.
Connie
Como, in Southeast Mpls
Metropolitan council's meeting last Wednesday covered the update (incl. mitigation plans), alternative route, and concerns about the alternative route. Mark Fuhrmann's presentation (pg.12) lists mitigation costs. http://www.metrocouncil.org/transportation/ccorridor/CCMC/052108Agenda.pdf I don't follow met council meetings...maybe someone would like to follow them for the Mpls-related issues and report back on the forum? best wishes, cheryl I never wonder to see men wicked, but I often wonder to see them not ashamed. --- Jonathan Swift
C Luger wrote: > Metropolitan council's meeting last Wednesday covered the update (incl. mitigation plans), alternative route, and concerns about the alternative route. > Mark Fuhrmann's presentation (pg.12) lists mitigation costs. > > http://www.metrocouncil.org/transportation/ccorridor/CCMC/052108Agenda.pdf > > Mark Anderson: Thanks for including this link. It is very interesting, even though much of it is difficult to understand, being in transit-engineer speak. I think I now understand why the transit engineers are unanimously for the Washington Ave route (per Peter Bell on Almanac last Friday). At least on the power point comparison of the Washington Ave route versus the Northern Alignment, the enormous amount of extra time and effort for automobile drivers resulting from closing Washington to cars isn't even considered. So if the extra time of motorists isn't taken into account, then the Washington Ave route is clearly the best alternative. I could've figured that out without any experts. I think they'd come up with a different answer if the resulting gridlock around the university is taken into account.
Covers both mpls and st paul issues forums...different threads. I just finished the Pioneer Press article (and the earlier editorial) and listened to the MPR interview this morning. "U Prez...we won't budge..." http://www.twincities.com/ci_9392807?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com St paul forum member Sheldon Gitis provided this link to mpr interview: http://www.publicradio.org/tools/media/player/news/midday/2008/05/27_midday1 There are a couple of ***public hearings*** coming up (listed below). I didn't see any for St Paul (latest CC entry is may 6 preceded by the workshops earlier this year)...nor for the Met council after the 4 informational meetings last year. Have the latter 2 bodies already held their hearings? Two questions from someone not following this closely (altho our neighborhood put in its time on the 46th/50th/VA Lrt stations): 1. According to Chair Bell, the new 36W bridge is better suited for Bus Rapid Transit than LRT? Why? I remember Mpls asserted its right under municipal consent to have the LRT option...it was considered quite the bargaining chip to get 'heard'. 2. The U is a separate entity under the state. As such, does it have a municipal consent agreement in place? Or would this project override municipal consent (or maybe it's different from the 35W bridge with other jurisdicions pre-empting 'ownership' of Washington Avenue and the Bridge) ??? Just curious. best wishes, cheryl luger nokomis east-Minnehaha, Mpls. st paul forum thread: (can't remember, but I don't think the Mitigation cost discussion presented on mpls forum was posted on the st paul forum) This topic's messages may be viewed at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2btbG7lPMavOPVMbVCkJP9 **************************** Public hearings on LRT central corridor set. Hearings open to all the public and stakeholders. mpls (6/3) and henn co.(6/17): **City of Mpls June 3 : " City of Minneapolis Central Corridor LRT public hearing 1:30 p.m., Tuesday, June 3, 2008 City Council Chambers, room 317 City Hall 350 S. Fifth St., Minneapolis Open House from 12:30 to 1:30 p.m. in Room 333, City Hall Central Corridor LRT Project staff will host a public hearing just before the public hearing to allow attendees to view and ask questions about the design plans. Copies of the preliminary design plans and large plan view will also be available. The Open House will be in Room 333 of City Hall. More information on the meeting, open house and plans is available on the project Web site. According to Minnesota law, cities, counties and regional rail authorities must hold public comment hearings on state construction projects whenever they have a direct effect on their residents. This process deals only with the content of the preliminary design plans, which includes elements such as general dimensions and locations of the light rail alignment, station locations and access for commuters with disabilities. Aesthetic considerations, such as public art, station design and streetscapes are NOT part of these preliminary design plans, and will be the focus of future meetings. At a later date, City Council members will vote on the preliminary design plans. Their options are to approve the plans, disapprove them, or disapprove them with requests for changes. Utilizing the disapprove with request for changes option does not mean the City is taking an adversarial position or is opposing the project. This is simply a citys authorized option for outlining the modifications it seeks. The City must exercise this option even if it is actively working with the project team to craft a mutually agreeable solution to design concerns. " **Hennepin county June 17 :: " 08.0521 Board schedules public hearings on Central Corridor The Hennepin County Board of Commissioners will receive public comment on Central Corridor preliminary design plans for stations, tracks and electrical systems on Tuesday, June 17, at 1:30 p.m. during the regularly scheduled board meeting in the Board Room on the 24th floor of the Hennepin County Government Center, 300 S. Sixth St., in downtown Minneapolis. Central Corridor project staff from the Metropolitan Council will be available one hour before the meeting to answer questions at an open house on the 23rd floor of the Government Center Administrative Tower in Conference Room A-2350. Decisions regarding issues such as public art, station design and streetscape will be the focus of future meetings. The County Board will hear testimony but will not vote on the Central Corridor preliminary design plans at these hearings. While pre-registration to speak at the hearing June 17 is not required, people are encouraged to sign up in advance by contacting the County Board Clerks Office: Call 612-348-3081; TTD users: 612-348-7708 or Fax your name and business name, if applicable, and phone number to 612-348-8707 or E-mail your name, business name if applicable, and phone number to <email obscured>. Sign-up the day of the hearing begins one half-hour before the meeting starts. Because of weapons screening at the Government Center, please allow extra time to get to the 24th floor Board Room. The 11-mile Central Corridor light-rail line will connect downtown Minneapolis with downtown St. Paul. Construction is scheduled to begin in 2010, with service beginning in 2014. For more information, or to view an online copy of preliminary design plans, visit www.centralcorridor.org or click on this "Future of Transit" link. " I never wonder to see men wicked, but I often wonder to see them not ashamed. --- Jonathan Swift
C Luger wrote: > Metropolitan council's meeting last Wednesday covered the update (incl. mitigation plans), alternative route, and concerns about the alternative route. > Mark Fuhrmann's presentation (pg.12) lists mitigation costs. > > http://www.metrocouncil.org/transportation/ccorridor/CCMC/052108Agenda.pdf The presentations by the Metropolitan Council and the University of Minnesota seem to raise far more questions than they answer. Mark Fuhrmann refers to four studies of traffic in the University area that were conducted. Are the results of these studies available? The traffic mitigation plans seem to suggest that the closing of Washington Avenue to vehicular traffic would have significant adverse effects on the surrounding areas. But, we aren't told what those effects actually are. How bad would traffic in the University area be without mitigation? How much are the mitigations efforts expected to help? What does "Outside of project scope & budget" mean (page 21)? Does this mean that Central Corridor project (assuming the Washington Avenue route) will have other serious adverse effects on traffic in the area, but that the Central Corridor project doesn't consider them to be their problems? Have these traffic studies been made public? (I couldn't find them on the Metropolitan Council's Web site.) I would really like to look studies themselves, rather than rely upon the Council's assurances that their plans mitigate the problems (well, except for the problems that the Council considers to be someone else's). Perhaps most importantly, how do the Washington Avenue alignment and the Northern alignment differ in their effects on the traffic in the area?
While I can't answer all of Tim's questions, I can share a post I just made to the St. Paul Issues forum that answers a few of the questions Tim poses. When Peter Bell says the U's traffic concerns can be accounted for, he's not just speaking on behalf of the Met Council: The entire thread is here: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/7fqszDf8qhMpaM1mXeUK9C Jann Carr wrote of Peter Bell's interview yesterday on MPR: >But he did also say that one of the University's main objections was that running the LRT down Washington (through the heart of the campus) would create enormous congestion problems. ML: Yes.................but................... Chair Bell then stated that traffic engineers from the City of Minneapolis, the City of St. Paul, Hennepin County, Ramsey County, MnDOT and the Met Council all concur that the congestion on SE Minneapolis streets resulting from an at-grade Washington Avenue alignment would be no worse than congestion on said streets today. What might one say about that? The University has concocted many baseless objections that have been discredited time and time again. Every concern they have raised has been shown to be either without merit or able to be mitigated. The University administration (decidedly not transit planners) has decided to oppose the Washington Avenue alignment for reasons unknown. This alumni certainly is not proud of his University of Minnesota at the moment. The U is being presented with an opportunity to have the heart of it's campus transformed in a sustainable way for the next century. It's an opportunity to lead the way on the return of a multi-modal sustainable mobility system across the country. As Chair Bell stated, the pedestrian/transit Mall on Washington Avenue could win design awards and bring lots of positive attention to the University without any investment from the University itself. The U would be well served to drop its opposition at today's meeting before it further discredits itself as an institution. Everyone along the corridor has compromised in order to make this project happen understanding that incremental improvements can be made over time in the near future. Everyone except the U. Matty Lang, Midtown Phillips, Minneapolis
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 11:56, Timothy J. Salo wrote:
> Mark Fuhrmann refers to four studies of traffic in the
> University area that were conducted. Are the results
> of these studies available? The traffic mitigation
> plans seem to suggest that the closing of Washington
> Avenue to vehicular traffic would have significant
> adverse effects on the surrounding areas. But, we
> aren't told what those effects actually are.
The studies should be on the Met Council web site. I was at the Feb. 27
presentation and Mark did a pretty good job outlining the traffic effects.
You might contact the Data Center and ask for them if they're not on the web
site.
What's not getting communicated is that closing Washington Ave. causes
little additional congestion. That's because the real cause of the congestion
is the increase in the number of auto trips, which happens whether or not LRT
is there.
> Perhaps most importantly, how do the Washington Avenue
> alignment and the Northern alignment differ in their
> effects on the traffic in the area?
Actually, that's NOT the most important question.
The most important question is, "What will we say to the people whose homes
will be destroyed if we route LRT along the Northern Alignment?"
THAT is the crucial issue here.
David Greene
The Wedge
Not a scientific study but from my own experience (I live just south of the West Bank of the U). No matter what time of day (except late night), I do everything I can to avoid Washington Avenue between Oak Street and the East River Road. Any other route is usually better. Closing Washington will have no major impact on me. Sheldon ................................. Sheldon Mains Seward Neighborhood, Minneapolis, Minnesota http://www.SheldonMains.com/ Blog: http://RandomStuffFromSheldon.blogspot.com/ Twitter.com: sheldonM <email obscured> > -----Original Message----- ....<snip>....
At 1:18 PM -0500 5/29/08, Sheldon Mains wrote:
>Not a scientific study but from my own experience (I live just south of the
>West Bank of the U).
>
>No matter what time of day (except late night), I do everything I can to
>avoid Washington Avenue between Oak Street and the East River Road. Any
>other route is usually better. Closing Washington will have no major impact
>on me.
Connie here:
But Sheldon, you don't live in Southeast Minneapolis. Southeast is on
the East Side of the river.
And I assume you don't use any Southeast Minneapolis routes, like the
East River Road, or the 10th Ave. bridge to University Ave. SE or 4th
St. SE, or the Franklin Ave. bridge to Franklin Ave. SE, or the I94
bridge or--before last August--the I35W bridge, or even the 3rd. Ave.
bridge, to get to or through Southeast.
With CCLRT's own engineers' projections of between 20,000 and 25,000
vehicles per day that will be diverted off Washington Ave. SE when
it's closed, those of us who live in Southeast Minneapolis are pretty
concerned about that many more motorists wanting to find "any other
route."
Only the University of Minnesota seems to hear that concern.
Connie
Como, in Southeast Minneapolis
Does anyone know how cost of the mitigations and a transit/pedestrian
mall on this SE Washington section of the CCLRT alignment compares to
an elevated section through Stadium Village to the river? It sure
seems like an elevated line on the downstream side of Washington by
the medical towers and U. subterranean access point would be a good
place for an elevated station and it could continue that way or drop
down to at grade somewhere before the river crossing; that brings up
the question of the bridge again, of course. The bridge is not
included in any of the cost estimates for CC, is it?
There are a few issues being tossed around here and I am being left with
ever increasing questions regarding this whole Washington Ave issue.
If the CCLRT were to go down Washington Ave, some traffic would have to
be diverted. Depending on what is done with Washington Ave would depend
on how much diversion would happen. For the sake of my post, lets
assume it becomes a CCLRT and pedestrian corridor only (no other
vehicles, except emergency).
Lets go with Connie's numbers for a moment and assume that the 20,000 to
25,000 vehicles are what is being diverted. How many of these will go
where? Are all these vehicles trying to get to the U itself, or just
somewhere near the U? Or are they going thru the U? Has this actually
been genuinely studied? How many of these vehicles will be eliminated
by virtue of the CCLRT going to and thru the U?
From the outside looking in I see this as very similar to another sore
spot issue in Mpls. In this case the large entity is the U and it wants
the northern alignment and is unwilling to discuss anything else.
Personally I don't see the northern alignment as anywhere near the
benefit in the long run/big picture as the Washington Ave route.
Washington Ave connects more large people areas than the northern
alignment does.
The northern alignment does not seem to serve the West Bank area very
well and completely bypasses the University Hospital complex. It also
makes most of its campus connections at the perimeter. It will be quite
a hike to an event at Northrup or the Union from the northern alignment.
The Washington Ave route puts the CCLRT thru the heart of the campus.
Connects both East and West banks, University Hospital, New stadium, the
dome and both downtowns.
Maybe I'm just a bit slow.
Ron Leurquin
Nokomis East
Connie wrote:
With CCLRT's own engineers' projections of between 20,000 and 25,000
vehicles per day that will be diverted off Washington Ave. SE when it's
closed, those of us who live in Southeast Minneapolis are pretty
concerned about that many more motorists wanting to find "any other
route."
Only the University of Minnesota seems to hear that concern.
THE U OF M: TAKING OPTIONS OFF TABLE
It is my understanding that the U of M wanted to close Washington Avenue to
cars.
But another option would be to leave Washington open, and have 2 lanes for LRT,
and 2 lanes for busses, with pull-outs for the busses at stops to keep them
from fully blocking traffic. Nobody talks about this, because the U holds the
power, and the U ruled it out on its own.
In fact, between Oak Street and the River, there's probably enough right-of-way
between buildings for four lanes of traffic and two lanes of LRT. Which is the
equivalent of what's there now, plus LRT.
But it is the U that has taken these options off the table.
And we're in this fiasco in part because of another pivotal U decision. The
Pioneer Press reported earlier this month that the University built their new
TCF football stadium in the path that had long been designated for light rail.
That decision of the University added about $100 million to the cost of the
tunnel, the Pioneer Press reported.
NORTHERN ALIGNMENT: NEVER WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING
The Federal Government will never fund the Northern Alignment. Period. The
Cost Effectiveness Index of the Northern Alignment is $28.25, the requirement
is that it be below $23.99, and the Washington Avenue route has a CEI of
$23.80.
But that reality doesn't stop the U from trying to get people to believe the
Northern Alignment holds hope.
The U's materials bandy about a CEI of $24.58, which is simply a bogus number.
The only way the Northern Alignment gets a CEI of $24.58 is by including all
sorts of things that the federal government will never allow in a computation,
like shuttle buses and event traffic. No city is allowed to include those
elements for consideration in federal funding, and the U knows it.
But the U continues the charade, in hopes of confusing the debate, and rallying
support. The U wrongly and repeatedly compares their bogus CEI of $24.58 to
the Washington Avenue CEI of $23.80. It's like saying the temperature in
Minneapolis is 14 degrees while the temperature in St. Paul is 58 - and so its
far warmer in St. Paul. Never measure one temperature is measured in Celsius
and the other in Fahrenheit. The correct comparison is $23.80 (Washington) and
$28.25 (Northern Alignment).
And so when the University says that they need to take longer to study options,
even as inflation cuts into the line's economics, don't forget to ask what
alternatives they think will be viable. Because the University's own study of
the Northern Alignment shows it will never be eligible for funding.
The proposed Northern alignment of the Central Corridor is bad for the West
Bank for a good many reasons.
First, the proposal calls for a long trench to be dug across the West Bank that
begins at the Number 9 Bridge, takes out a couple homes, crosses a ball field,
runs alongside 19th Avenue and the University Law School, then finally the
trench breaks through to rejoin the Washington Ave alignment near Cedar Avenue.
Keep in mind this trench would be deep enough for cars to pass over at grade,
and wide enough for two LRT tracks. This trench would create a moat between
the University and the West Bank community and leave a permanent ugly scar
along our Minneapolis river-bluffs.
There are also pollution mitigation issues raised by the proposed trench. The
above mentioned ball field is the former site of a coal-to-gas processing plant
and the ground below is considered a toxic waste site. Digging through this
area will create issues not addressed by the University's estimates.
The Riverbluff housing project sits in the path of the proposed trench and
multiple housing units would be taken out.
Currently, Washington Avenue travels between the river bridge to the Metrodome
through a highway canyon that separates 7-Corners from the rest of
Cedar-Riverside. The neighborhood has been planning for a West Bank Station
that would help to rejoin the community. Instead of this improvement, the
proposed station of the Northern alignment would further widen the canyon to
allow for the right angle turn the train would be forced to make going into the
new trench leading to the Number 9 Bridge.
If all this sounds like a mess, it is. The proposed Northern alignment would
do great harm to the West Bank/Cedar-Riverside neighborhood.
Dan Prozinski
Cedar-Riverside
Sheldon Mains wrote: > No matter what time of day (except late night), I do everything I can to > avoid Washington Avenue between Oak Street and the East River Road. Any > other route is usually better. Closing Washington will have no major impact > on me. Mr. Mains apparently (and perhaps blissfully) believes (at least at the moment) that he will not be directly and personally affected by the closure of Washington Avenue. I am not convinced that Mr. Mains will be nearly as unaffected as he would like to wish. The traffic that currently uses this stretch of Washington Avenue, the very traffic that Mr. Mains strives to avoid, will have to go somewhere. That somewhere will undoubtedly include the very routes that Mr. Mains uses to avoid this traffic today. Perhaps even more alarming (assuming that I am reading the report correctly) the traffic studies used by the Central Corridor project [1] seem to say that the stretch of Washington Avenue that Mr. Mains avoids _isn't_ congested [1]. Does mean that when Central Corridor advocated assure us that congestion won't be a problem, they really mean it won't be any worse than Washington Avenue is today [or, will be in 2014]? Dumping the Washington Avenue traffic on other area roads will, I believe, have far more adverse effects than those shown in the traffic studies used by the Central Corridor advocates. For most of its route through the UofM campus, Washington Avenue is essentially in a trench, where it is isolated from pedestrians and bicyclists. Apparently, the current plan is to dump this traffic into what is probably the largest concentration of pedestrians and bicyclists in the city. Moving a substantial amount of traffic from the isolated trench of Washington Avenue to the pedestrian- and bicyclist- laden campus and neighborhood streets hardly appears to be the "no problem" that Central Corridor operatives claim. Of course, some of the current Washington Avenue traffic might simply avoid the area, just as Mr. Mains does today. The UofM Academic Health Center estimates "an annual $100 million loss in revenue" [3]. Apparently, the Central Corridor advocates don't think this is a lot of money, at least when it is someone else's money... -tjs 1. http://www.metrocouncil.org/transportation/ccorridor/TrafficStudiesoverviews.pdf See "Existing Geometry" in Study #2. 2. Actually, the report says that this stretch of road won't be congested in 2014, assuming a compounded annual growth in traffic of 0.25%. 3. http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2008/04/14/72166650
On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:55:40 -0500, David A. Greene wrote:
>What's not getting communicated is that closing Washington Ave. causes
>little additional congestion.
Not around either the 10th Ave. or Franklin Ave. bridges (i.e. in Seven
Corners, 10th Ave & University, on River Rd., and in the residential
area on Franklin from the river to University)?
>That's because the real cause of the congestion
>is the increase in the number of auto trips, which happens whether or not LRT
>is there.
Are you saying that there will be no significant change in congestion
around those bridges, regardless of whether Washington Ave. is closed or
not? Are you saying that the people who now drive the Wash Ave bridge
will stop driving?
This does not make sense.
I have another northern alignment to propose: continue from the U.
Stadium Station along SE 4th St. and University or drop down to the
tracks and Granary Pkwy. to 2nd St. or Main and cross the river at
the LRT right of way on Nicollet Island near DeLaSalle High School
and over to the Multimodal station downtown. You will have real
ridership and not the hypothetical U folks of future bioscience
developments, and the U can live with what limited LRT access they
have in the mess they've made of traffic already with the stadium
construction. I love to ride CCLRT for a meal and a brew or two at
Nye's or Kramarczuk's.
OUTLOOK ROSIER FOR [WASHINGTON AVENUE] ROUTE State officials report more flexibility at U http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_9421276?nclick_check=1 Gov. Tim Pawlenty said his understanding, from Metropolitan Council Chair Peter Bell, is that the university now understands that "the basic question of the alignment is settled."... "There is nothing signed, sealed and delivered. We just sense a different response today," said Rep. Alice Hausman, a St. Paul Democrat who has been a key supporter of the proposed $892 million line linking St. Paul and Minneapolis.... After Wednesday's vote, Hausman used the word "arrogance" to describe the university's stance, but not Thursday.
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