I hate to burst your bubble, Dyna, but the Arikara and Mandan were living in
earth lodges when Sacagawea introduced them to Lewis and Clark sometime between
1804 and 1806.
I love tpt. You get the best info from them.
As the owner and occupant of an earth sheltered home, I can shed some
light on the subject. The two failures Dann mentions were first
generation earth sheltered homes built three decades ago when this type
of home construction was still in the development stage, and, well...
Mistakes were made. I had those early failures in mind when I did due
diligence on buying my earth sheltered home. I was pleased to see that
the builders had way overbuilt- the roof sections are the same concrete
beams the railroads use to build bridges! These are supported by
reinforced concrete walls a full foot thick on 24 foot centers. Suffice
to say, if disaster hits, my building will be the last one standing in
town if not the county.
If you build an earth sheltered home now, it'll have one piece
reinforced concrete walls and roof literally at least a foot thick. One
of the contractors that builds them shows one of their earth sheltered
homes with over a hundred tons of construction equipment parked on it's
roof- That's way more load than wet dirt can impose on a structure. So
there is no reason to doubt the structural integrity of current earth
built homes, and in reality earth sheltered homes are the most durable
housing available. Unfortunately Minneapolis won't let you build one.
BTW, another pleasant surprise of moving out of Minneapolis was the
drop in my auto insurance rates- they were almost halved. There's a
reason for that- unlike Minneapolis, you have to be a good driver out
here to survive. If Minneapolis got the worst of their drivers off the
road accidents would be reduced, auto insurance rates would drop, and
the bad drivers who had been pulled off the road would make transit boom.
enjoying the free Wi-Fi at Kelly's Koffee in Pipestone,
Dyna Sluyter
Dann Dobson wrote:
> Before anyone coinsiders building an earth sheltered home, (I used to be a
> huge advocate and wroite an artilce in the old Twin Cities Reader about
> them), I suggest that people look at two examples of fialures in Minneapolis
> and Saint Paul.
>
> There are a series on condos facing the I-94 south frontage road in the
> Seward neighbiorhood between Riverside Ave and 26th, just west of the
> Perkins. It is my understanding that the roofs leaked so bad the earthen
> roofs had toi be replaced with conventional roofs. The only portion of the
> earth sheltering that remains are the north walls facing I-94.
>
> Over in St. Paul, where the American Lung Association Builing now is, also
> facing I-94, on Corcordia Avenue, between Mackubin and Arendal, there used
> to be an earth sheltered home that the old CDC / Control Data built. One day
> after a series of heavy rains, the entire building collapsed killing the
> tenant inside. I googled this incident, but was unable to find any stories
> about it.
>
> Dann Dobson
> Summit Hill - Saint Paul
>
>
>
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>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Keith Reitman <email obscured>>wrote:
>
>> Tom Cleland said:
>>
>> "City water could be a deal-breaker for survivalists.
>> I've thought about some day building an earth home in Mpls., though.
>> However,Ruppert advises against (?)borrowing(?) as we approach collapse."
>>
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>>
>> Pardon me sir; did you mean "burrowing"... for that particular home?
>>
>> Keith Reitman
>> NearNorth
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Wizard has called Baker a 'poor johnny one note.' Once you know to what 'johnny
one note' refers it will be up to various readers here to decide if it fits. So
what is Johnny One Note - well You Tube has the answer which is - "Johnny One
Note" is a 1937 show tune from the 1937 Rodgers and Hart musical Babes in Arms,
where it was introduced by Wynn Murrary. Judy Garland sang it in the film
version, released in 1939. The 'Babes In Arms' story is about a group of
vaudevillians who want to revive their old fashioned form of entertainement by
doing a roadshow. "Johnny One Note" is sung as a bedtime story. A kind of fairy
tale about a very ego-centred singer who is so very loud that nobody can hear
the soprano. This lady singer asks her godmother to put a spell on Johnny, so
that the next time he wants to impress everybody by holding his note as long as
possible he has to held it forever.Lyrics:JOHNNY ONE NOTE Johnny could only
sing one note And the note he sang was this: Aaaaaaaaaaaah! Poor Johnny One
Note sang out with gusto And just overlorded the space Poor Johnny One Note
yelled willy-nilly Until he was blue in the face For holding one note was his
ace Couldn't hear the brass Couldn't hear the drum He was in a class By
himself, by gum! Poor Johnny One Note Got in "Aida" Indeed a great chance to be
brave He took his one note Howled like the North Wind Brought forth wind that
made critics rave, While Verdi turned round in his grave! Couldn't hear the
flute Or the big trombone Ev'ry one was mute Johnny stood alone. Cats and dogs
stopped yapping Lions in the zoo All were jealous at Johnny's big trill Thunder
claps stopped clapping, Traffic ceased its roar, And they tell us Niagra stood
still! He stopped the train whistles, Boat whistles, steam whistles, Cop
whistles, all whistles bowed to his skill Sing Johnny One Note, Sing out with
gusto and Just overwhelm all the crowd, Aaaaaaaah!! So sing Johnny One Note,
out loud!! Sing Johnny One Note Sing Johnny One Note out loud!(Aaaaaaaaah
sounds like F above hight C)So has Wizard's Godmother put a spell on Jack? Is
Wizard a soprano? Making allusions can sometimes be risky: another hit song in
"Babes in Arms" is "The Lady Is A Tramp." Ouch.Hoot hoot, mirth time is now
over, the stage curtain is closed.John FermanMinneapolis, MinnesotaKingfield
<email obscured>n Sep 1, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Wizard Marks
wrote:Second, 'poor johnny one note' is a reference to a song of the, I think,
forties. The point being that if Mr. Baker has not convinced people on this
list of the merits of his suggested legislative change, it's not going to
happen.
Before anyone coinsiders building an earth sheltered home, (I used to be a
huge advocate and wroite an artilce in the old Twin Cities Reader about
them), I suggest that people look at two examples of fialures in Minneapolis
and Saint Paul.
There are a series on condos facing the I-94 south frontage road in the
Seward neighbiorhood between Riverside Ave and 26th, just west of the
Perkins. It is my understanding that the roofs leaked so bad the earthen
roofs had toi be replaced with conventional roofs. The only portion of the
earth sheltering that remains are the north walls facing I-94.
Over in St. Paul, where the American Lung Association Builing now is, also
facing I-94, on Corcordia Avenue, between Mackubin and Arendal, there used
to be an earth sheltered home that the old CDC / Control Data built. One day
after a series of heavy rains, the entire building collapsed killing the
tenant inside. I googled this incident, but was unable to find any stories
about it.
Dann Dobson
Summit Hill - Saint Paul
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On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Keith Reitman <email obscured>>wrote:
> Tom Cleland said:
>
> "City water could be a deal-breaker for survivalists.
> I've thought about some day building an earth home in Mpls., though.
> However,Ruppert advises against (?)borrowing(?) as we approach collapse."
>
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>
> Pardon me sir; did you mean "burrowing"... for that particular home?
>
> Keith Reitman
> NearNorth
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Tom Cleland said:
"City water could be a deal-breaker for survivalists.
I've thought about some day building an earth home in Mpls., though.
However,Ruppert advises against (?)borrowing(?) as we approach collapse."
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Pardon me sir; did you mean "burrowing"... for that particular home?
Keith Reitman
NearNorth
I am not a fan of the current riverboat operation, however the post is
misleading. This is an operating permit valid for the rest of this season.The
permit clearly states that it is the permit holders obligation to pay for
dredging the excursion boat dock. The operation generates more than just lease
payments as revenue to the city and parks. How much parking revenue is
generated by the boat patrons? How much state and local sales and payroll tax
do they contribute? Th excursion boat contract is different than most park
board agreements, the capital investment costs are greater for the lease
holderthan a concession agreement for a Parks built structure i.e. Nicolet
Island Pavilion or theconcession buildings built by the Park Board.
BT Johnson
--- On Mon, 8/30/10, <email obscured> <email obscured>> wrote:
From: <email obscured> <email obscured>>
Subject: [Mpls] More on riverfront park privatization
To: <email obscured>
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 3:14 PM
Wednesday's Park Board meeting has two items related to privatization at
Central Riverfront Regional Park, Boom Island and B F Nelson sections. Both
on the Regular Meeting agenda.
The Park Board would cancel the Skipperliner contract to operate Mississippi
riverboats from MPRB properties and grant a new contract to Paradise Lady.
It is a no-bid exclusive use contract written for the remainder of 2010
(except for the reference that this is an "initial" agreement). See
http://www.minneapolisparks.org/documents/agendas/2010-09-01/8-1-042REG.pdf
Park Watch did some research years ago that suggested that the Skipperliner
boat contract was losing money (so taxpayers were subsidizing riverboat
customers). The I-35W bridge collapse intervened, Skipperliner and the MPRB
became involved in a dispute, and Skipperliner, primarily a boat builder,
went bankrupt. Time for a fresh look.
Has the Mississippi riverboat contract made money or cost money? Who are
the people served by this amenity? Minneapolis residents? Park Board
Commissioners are urged to find answers to these questions before passing a
resolution that says it is in the "public interest" to operate excursion and
private/corporate cruise boats off Boom Island.
A plea for transparency....Park Board business ventures should each have pro
forma business statements, a balance sheet and an income statement, so that
decision makers and the general public can gauge the value of the
privatization. I may be wrong but I thought the MPRB invested $100,000+ in
docks, hook-ups, and improvements for Skipperliner - were these costs ever
recovered? Where is the balance sheet?
The capital question is timely for the Commissioners are also being asked to
approve Boom Island engineeering plans that may subsidize the Mississippi
riverboat operator:
-Improve excursion boat boat landing $154,500
-Dredging $101,500
See last page:
http://www.minneapolisparks.org/documents/agendas/2010-09-01/2-4-040REG.pdf
The riverboat contract is only $35,000 a year (if and when collected) and
that is gross revenue. It doesn't include the park maintenance, utilities,
police, etc. Is there a profit on this or are Minneapolis taxpayers
subsidizing those boat rides?
Shawne FitzGerald
Powderhorn Park
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Hello Sheldon,
I am one of, if not the, strongest environmentalist in Minnesota.
You can see my work at www.EarthProtector.org and compare
my record to anyone running for, or in, any office anywhere.
My proposal will lower fuel cost for cars, buses, delivery vehicles,
earth movers, motorcycles and the rest of the gas or diesel users.
This is combined with my transportation plan for roads and bridges
that will get people where they are going more quickly and not
have to stop and go like a bunch of idiots. They will burn less fuel,
get to their destinaiton quicker, safer, and with less stress. It's a
winner all around. One of the principles of Earth Protecotr is that
pollution control creates jobs, better transportation reduces fuel
use and its corresponding pollution.
Sheldon, this is not a subsidy. It's good for business and will begin
to bring the cost of things down instead of up. Delivery costs will
go down, insurnce rates will be lowered, and so on.
Thanks for commenting Sheldon...I'm still with the environment.
And as a Republic(m)an for Governor 2010 (albeit a write-in)
I want to quote what Ronald Reagan said in 1984:
“If we’ve learned any lessons during the past few decades,
perhaps the most important is that preservation of our
environment is not a partisan challenge; it’s common sense.”
Call me anytime at 612/522-9433
Best regards,
Leslie Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheldon Mains" <email obscured>>
To: <email obscured>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Mpls] If wishes were horses...
> First, "lowering the state gasoline, axle and vehicle registration taxes"
> will only lower transportation costs for people who drive. It will do
> nothing for people who use buses, LRT, bikes or walk (walking does have
> costs--time being the biggest)
>
> How does increasing the subsidy to cars improve the situation?
>
> Leslie, years ago you were a strong environmentalist. This proposal seems
> to go counter to everything you once stood for.
>
> sheldon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Sheldon Mains
> Seward Neighborhood, Minneapolis
> <email obscured>
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> http://www.SheldonMains.com
>
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Leslie Davis wrote:
>
>> If "The Davis Money Plan" were implemented in Minnesota
>> the state gasoline, axle and vehicle registration taxes would
>> be ended, thus lowering transportation costs for everyone.
>> Leslie Davis for Governor 2010
>> Write-in Candidate with U.S. Marine hero Greg Soderberg
>> www.LeslieDavis.org
>
>
> Sheldon Mains
> Seward Neighborhood, Minneapolis
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City water could be a deal-breaker for survivalists.
I've thought about some day building an earth home in Mpls., though. However,
Ruppert advises against borrowing as we approach collapse. When housing prices
bottom out, it might be worth the risk. I might want a tall chain-link fence,
not to keep out people, but to keep out animals that might eat my plants. My
garden has been under attack:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2061198&id=1499503332&l=caa617d667
Tom Cleland
Golden Valley
Wizard,
In my few years as a concerned citizen I have come to learn that the best
way to improve the quality of an area is to diversify the types of folks
living there. That said, I love your post, and feel that our city would be
a better place if there was more economic diversity on the Northside.
The best examples I have seen of personal growth come about in our
educational system where students are able to gain a diverse perspective.
If working class students see that there friends heading off to college,
working summer jobs, and the other norms of a middle-class lifestyle, they
are more likely to do the same. One of the many reasons I want to raise the
children I hope to have someday in the inner-city!
Matt Sampson
Longfellow
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Wizard Marks <email obscured>> wrote:
> It occurs to me that people living in the far burbs and commute into the
> city every day and who realize that the future will bring higher and higher
> gas prices which means even higher consumer goods prices and who have the
> money could do themselves a big favor by buying land in NoMi. There are two,
> three, and four lots together so one could have a very nice new home, energy
> efficient, all the bells and whistles, yadda-yadda. Hell, they could move
> houses from the burbs to the city.
>
> If that were to happen in several instances of vacant lots, the entire
> culture of NoMi would change, of course. They'd bring their suburban
> cultural norms with them, but they would also don urban cultural trappings,
> so a new amalgam would emerge over time.
>
> Had I the wherewithal, I'd do it myself. It would be exciting. I'd have a
> bigger yard and a garage. It might be a struggle with the housing codes, but
> people in Red Lake have designed a really excellent windmill which could be
> used. Geothermal heat. Tight windows. Water pressure!!! Sidewalks. Easy
> transportation. Grocery closer. Plays and orchestras, baseball, even. All
> the good urban stuff.
>
> In only one generation Hawthorne could return to it's intended fulsome
> community.
>
>
> Wizard Marks
> Central, Mpls.
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My sister, Cedar Phillips, and I are in the process of finishing up a new book
that will dive into the history of LynLake and the Lyndale corridor from 36th
St to Franklin. It's a photo history book similar to our Uptown Minneapolis
book that came out in 2004.
That said, we need your help. We've had a lot of support from the community
thus far and have found amazing photos that we can't wait to share. But we're
looking to fill in some gaps in both information and photos.
1. What are some of your most interesting or "best" memories of LynLake or the
Lyndale corridor (as identified above)? Was it the CC Tap, Dulono's, LynLake
Cafe, Cyber X, Theis Tire, The Beanery, the old Wedge Coop (or maybe the old
old Wedge), etc?
2. Do you have any old photos of this corridor or businesses or institutions
along it?
3. Do you have any info on any of these businesses/organizations, like who was
the owner, your best memories, weird facts/stories, etc:
- LynLake Cafe
- Yorktown VFW
- Bruer Bros Lumber
- The Beanery
- East Calhoun Co-op
- Hasty Tasty at 36th/Lyndale
- Any of the drug stores along Lyndale
- Industrial users along the Greenway from Grand to Dupont
- Anchor block
- Rex Hardware (photos, biz owner contact, etc)
- Harry Smith Ambulance
- Redeemer (photos)
- probably more but I can't think of any more off the top of my head that I'm
actively seeking right now...
4. In your opinion, what has fueled the change from a business district with
industrial users and commercial services (auto uses, heating/cooling companies,
suppliers, etc) to one that is mostly food/beverage and retail with limited
other commercial uses? (I have my hypothesis but am curious in yours.)
The book should come out at the end of 2010 or in early 2011. Thanks to
everyone who has helped thus far.
Thatcher Imboden
timboden [[at]] ouruptown.com
Kenny
Not necessarily. I have a brother in law who for years lived on a large
suburban lot with a large house in Eden Prairie. He and his wife just bought a
much smaller house on a small lot in South Minneapolis and so far (after 2
months) is thrilled.
BTW, He was amazed at the reduction in his waste disposal costa and amazed at
the service he got from the city in getting an account set up for water, sewer
and garbage.
sheldon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sheldon Mains
Seward Neighborhood, Minneapolis
<email obscured>
http://www.ShamelessAgitator.org
http://www.SheldonMains.com
On Sep 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, John Ferman wrote:
> Given the suburban preferences, one city block could accommodate two
> suburban homes were the owners be unconcerned with the crowding that
> would entail.
First, "lowering the state gasoline, axle and vehicle registration taxes" will
only lower transportation costs for people who drive. It will do nothing for
people who use buses, LRT, bikes or walk (walking does have costs--time being
the biggest)
How does increasing the subsidy to cars improve the situation?
Leslie, years ago you were a strong environmentalist. This proposal seems to
go counter to everything you once stood for.
sheldon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sheldon Mains
Seward Neighborhood, Minneapolis
<email obscured>
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http://www.SheldonMains.com
On Sep 1, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Leslie Davis wrote:
> If "The Davis Money Plan" were implemented in Minnesota
> the state gasoline, axle and vehicle registration taxes would
> be ended, thus lowering transportation costs for everyone.
> Leslie Davis for Governor 2010
> Write-in Candidate with U.S. Marine hero Greg Soderberg
> www.LeslieDavis.org
"I've never reported that any Minneapolis cops or firefighters being paid
$100,000 pensions"
Steve -- maybe after they retired, some of those cops or firefighters took a
job as a waiter (in Tom Emmer's universe).
Wizard Marks: First off, this thread is about vacant lots/holes in the
community fabric of Nomi. There is no graffiti on a vacant lot.
Jack Baker: Not true. This thread is about neglect.
"No wonder Minneapolis is hurting for taxes, too much land cannot be taxed
for what it is worth. . . .
This is not just the bursting of the housing bubble, this is years on end
of neglect."
A good portion of that neglect derives from our DFL Mayor and his City
attorney playing favorites with graffiti vandals who destroy houses,
businesses and neighborhoods.
Wizard Marks: To the issue of graffiti: I have a great deal of faith in
the officers of the Third Precinct, the only officers I know. However,
I've seen the gang graffiti and tagger graffiti for years and while
officers might be able to identify one or two of the taggers, the gang
graffiti is fairly uniform in each gang and any number of gang members
reiterate their silly crap over and over. Handwriting analysis won't do to
identify them. Further, you aren't suggesting analysis, just an informal
"I think this guy did it." That's way too amorphous for me.
Jack Baker: This statement is completely off base. Guessing at spray
painted styles is a red herring. Handwriting guesswork is not permissible
now and would not qualify under the Berglin graffiti bill [see 1, below].
Police investigators have access to search warrants and snitch dollars. An
elected judge decides if there exists "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".
Jack Baker, Esq.
The Graffiti Task Force
of the 10th Ward
[1] Click http://www.tabcat.com:8888/Graffiti_solution.pdf to review a
tax-free approach that will decrease graffiti crimes by 80%. The Mayor and
his City Attorney are opposed.
You keep at it Jack. It takes someone who keeps blowing that one note to get
change. Otherwise the note gets lost in the symphony (or cacophny) of all
those different sounds.
Jim Graham,
Ventura Village
--- On Wed, 9/1/10, Jack Baker <email obscured>> wrote:
> From: Jack Baker <email obscured>>
> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Going "over North"
> To: <email obscured>
> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 2:20 PM
> Wizard Marks: Mr. Baker, you've
> become poor johnny one note and it is not
> going to help Sen. Berglin get anything passed in the
> legie.
>
> Jack Baker: In 1970, Governor Wendy Anderson referred to me
> as a
> "one-issue zealot." The issue was a bill to protect the
> civil rights of
> gay men and women. It took more than a decade for the DFL
> controlled
> legislature to pass something so obvious.
>
> Through out the 1970's Rep. (later Senator) Allan Spear
> referred to my
> lover and me openly and often as "the crazies". The issue
> was a bill to
> legitimize the right of two adults to marry. It's now 40
> years later and
> the DFL controlled legislature has yet to pass something so
> obvious.
>
> And now Wizard Marks gives me another title: "poor johnny
> one note". The
> issue is a bill to allow graffiti vandals to account for
> their bad
> behavior. It's now been six years and the DFL controlled
> legislature has
> yet to pass something so obvious [see 1, below].
>
> Each nickname has its own charm, but Allen Spear's is by
> far my favorite.
>
>
> Wizard Marks: Maybe we need cameras to find out who is
> doing this stuff,
> but I daresay there is no one on the block who can afford
> the cost of the
> cameras or to monitor the footage.
>
> Jack Baker: Cameras to catch graffiti vandals is an
> expensive pipe dream.
> If we decriminalize unseen graffiti crimes, police
> investigators can
> identify those responsible for graffiti in an informal
> hearing. Vandals
> then pay for their own mischief, not homeowners and
> businesses.
>
> Problem is, our DFL Mayor and his City Attorney are playing
> favorites with
> graffiti vandals. In 2009, City Hall tallied 12,531
> graffiti crimes.
> Well-paid lawyers in the Office of City Attorney charged
> only 43 [see 2,
> below]. The free ride enjoyed by vandals who committed
> 12,488 unpunished
> crimes cost the not-so-well-paid businesses and land owners
> $6.9+ million.
> And our DFL Mayor wants MORE tax dollars from businesses
> and home owners!
>
> Jack Baker, Esq.
> The Graffiti Task Force
> of the 10th Ward
>
>
> [1] Click http://www.tabcat.com:8888/Graffiti_solution.pdf to
> review a
> tax-free approach that will decrease graffiti crimes by
> 80%. The Mayor and
> his City Attorney are opposed.
>
> [2] Click http://www.tabcat.com:8888/Matrix_2009.pdf for proof
> that
> thousands of graffiti crimes go unpunished, while
> businesses and land
> owners are forced to spend $6.9+ million each year to
> repair the damage.
>
>
> Jack Baker
> Lyndale, Minneapolois
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First off, this thread is about vacant lots/holes in the community fabric of
Nomi. There is no graffiti on a vacant lot.
Second, 'poor johnny one note' is a reference to a song of the, I think,
forties. The point being that if Mr. Baker has not convinced people on this
list of the merits of his suggested legislative change, it's not going to
happen.
To the issue of graffiti: I have a great deal of faith in the officers of the
Third Precinct, the only officers I know. However, I've seen the gang graffiti
and tagger graffiti for years and while officers might be able to identify one
or two of the taggers, the gang graffiti is fairly uniform in each gang and any
number of gang members reiterate their silly crap over and over. Handwriting
analysis won't do to identify them. Further, you aren't suggesting analysis,
just an informal "I think this guy did it." That's way too amorphous for me.
Does the graffiti honk me off? You betcha! Were I to get my hands on "Sad
Girl," she'd be sadder still. I would make a citizen's arrest and follow
through. Were I to be able to identify, by having watched them do it, the gang
graffitiers, I'd definitely rat him/her out to the police. The likelihood of
that is somewhere between slim and nil.
As to the graffiti itself, there is hope on the horizon. Paint chemists are
busy inventing paints and stains that keep the graffiti wet so that it can be
pressure hosed off. It's still pretty spendy, but the price will come down as
more people find out about it.
But this thread is, as I said, about vacant land over North. And your answer,
Mr. Baker, was no answer at all and contributed nothing to the discussion.
That's aggravating.
Jack Baker, the informal hearing based on hearsay and possible prejudices of
a police officer may constitute a violation of the suspect's Fourth
Amendment rights. Moreover, your use of the title Esquire connotes that you
may be an attorney, but it is uncertain because that title is usually
archaic except in cases involving highly rated and often legacy situations.
The term "Attorney at Law," is more common in the State of Minnesota and
should be used, unless you are very old and accomplished.
I ask you: Are you an attorney at law? What has been your specialty
practice? Are you using a term that cites you as an attorney, or are you
portraying yourself as an attorney. For those of us who don't know of your
standing in the ABA of Minnesota Bar Association, or of past
accomplishments, these questions are important to answer.
Sincerely,
Barry N. Peterson
Minneapolis, MN
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Jack Baker <email obscured>> wrote:
> Wizard Marks: Mr. Baker, you've become poor johnny one note and it is not
> going to help Sen. Berglin get anything passed in the legie.
>
> Jack Baker: In 1970, Governor Wendy Anderson referred to me as a
> "one-issue zealot." The issue was a bill to protect the civil rights of
> gay men and women. It took more than a decade for the DFL controlled
> legislature to pass something so obvious.
>
> Through out the 1970's Rep. (later Senator) Allan Spear referred to my
> lover and me openly and often as "the crazies". The issue was a bill to
> legitimize the right of two adults to marry. It's now 40 years later and
> the DFL controlled legislature has yet to pass something so obvious.
>
> And now Wizard Marks gives me another title: "poor johnny one note". The
> issue is a bill to allow graffiti vandals to account for their bad
> behavior. It's now been six years and the DFL controlled legislature has
> yet to pass something so obvious [see 1, below].
>
> Each nickname has its own charm, but Allen Spear's is by far my favorite.
>
>
> Wizard Marks: Maybe we need cameras to find out who is doing this stuff,
> but I daresay there is no one on the block who can afford the cost of the
> cameras or to monitor the footage.
>
> Jack Baker: Cameras to catch graffiti vandals is an expensive pipe dream.
> If we decriminalize unseen graffiti crimes, police investigators can
> identify those responsible for graffiti in an informal hearing. Vandals
> then pay for their own mischief, not homeowners and businesses.
>
> Problem is, our DFL Mayor and his City Attorney are playing favorites with
> graffiti vandals. In 2009, City Hall tallied 12,531 graffiti crimes.
> Well-paid lawyers in the Office of City Attorney charged only 43 [see 2,
> below]. The free ride enjoyed by vandals who committed 12,488 unpunished
> crimes cost the not-so-well-paid businesses and land owners $6.9+ million.
> And our DFL Mayor wants MORE tax dollars from businesses and home owners!
>
> Jack Baker, Esq.
> The Graffiti Task Force
> of the 10th Ward
>
>
> [1] Click http://www.tabcat.com:8888/Graffiti_solution.pdf to review a
> tax-free approach that will decrease graffiti crimes by 80%. The Mayor and
> his City Attorney are opposed.
>
> [2] Click http://www.tabcat.com:8888/Matrix_2009.pdf for proof that
> thousands of graffiti crimes go unpunished, while businesses and land
> owners are forced to spend $6.9+ million each year to repair the damage.
>
>
> Jack Baker
> Lyndale, Minneapolois
> Info about Jack Baker:
> http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/3cQH0PCu7LKF8XbsB0Ikke
>
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