Cut Your Gasoline Bill
From: Jim Mork Date: 10:05am, Feb 29, 2012
Holiday has this gas coupon online. Super America has double your coupon on Tuesdays. Save a little by taking advantage of both here in Longfellow? http://holidaystationstores.com/products/Public/ProductImages/coupons/couponGas.jpg
From: Charley Underwood Date: 3:23am, Mar 02, 2012
Or walk. Or bike. Or take the bus. Or carpool. Or take the light rail. Or maybe just stay at home and read a good book or send out stuff on the intertubes. Actually, driving around, with or without Koch Brothers coupons, is one of my least favorite things to do.
From: Jim Mork Date: 3:52am, Mar 02, 2012
Yes. That is the primary method I use to cut my gasoline bill. I have a Go To card that I keep operational. I do walk, though I always fall short there. But this isn't a "one size fits all". If you own a car, you'll put fuel in its tank. If you don't do that, then you might as well not own a car. But if you put gas in its tank, it seems simple common sense to use things like coupon-doubling and www.twincitiesgasprices.com to cut the amount you pay to put the gas in. It isn't an either-or. America needs to cut its miles drive by a serious percentage, for which there are many ways to proceed. America needs to drive efficiently wherever it goes, which involves things like tires inflated and driving 40-55 mph on the freeway. More gas is wasted in gridlock and driving at the wrong speed than by unnecessary trips. Charley's solution will never be more than a limited part of the answer. But it can't be ruled out, either. EPA.gov and Twincitiesgasprices.com have tips for burning less.
From: Jim Mork Date: 5:22pm, Mar 02, 2012
I overlooked the fact that Charley Underwood called the coupons “Koch Brothers coupons”. I've research the Koch Industries empire, and I had no recall that Holiday was a subsidiary. So I looked up the corporation. Here is a description in Forbes Magazine "Holiday Companies (also known as Holiday Stationstores) has a presence in 10 states, owning over 300 gasoline and convenience stores throughout the northern U.S. and franchising over 100 Holiday Stationstores. Company-owned stores are located in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Washington, and Alaska while franchised stores are located in Minnesota, North Dakota, and Wisconsin. Holiday Companies was started by the two Erickson brothers in 1928, and continues to be family owned. Holiday Companies also has real estate holdings and owns a technology company, Cellresin Technologies " So Holiday is a descendant of the Erickson stations, and is owned by that family, not the Kochs. Now where they source their gas is a different question. The Koch Refinery supplies most gas in Minnesota, but Super America has a different refinery. So if you're worried about Koch, go to SA. And besides, SA gives you double the value of the coupons on Tuesdays. So there's twice the incentive to buy there. Plus we have an SA very convenient in Longfellow. Otherwise, I'd say my previous points cover it. Drive efficient, walk, stay home, but don't pay extra for gasoline. That isn't really helping anything. And again thank your good judgment for settling where all the options are attractive. Many people have to work harder at “doing the right thing”.
From: Charley Underwood Date: 7:32pm, Mar 02, 2012
I have done a bit of research on this myself. It is a bit difficult to find out the true information, since neither Holiday not Koch Industries are publicly owned. A number of sources list Erickson/Holiday as owned by the Koch Brothers, including: http://votewithurwallet.wordpress.com/koch-ind-americans-for-prosperity-contributors/ http://www.boycottkochbrothers.com/ Most of this online information came out during the disgust with Wisconsin governor Scott Walker last summer, including links between the Koch Brothers and both Holiday and Gander Mountain. As well as the links between the Koch brothers and various tea party and other right-wing causes. While the wholly private nature of both companies makes ownership research more difficult (Forbes lists Koch Industries as the 2nd largest private company in the U.S., following only Cargill), I have redone my research and it looks like Jim is probably right. The oil at Holiday is fracked Canadian tar sands oil, pumped through Koch brothers pipelines, refined at the Rosemount facility (or sometimes just dumped in the nearby wetlands) and merely sold by the Erickson empire through their Holiday stations. So it is Koch dirty oil. refined at a local Koch dirty refinery, merely sold by Holiday. And sold by most of the Twin Cities gas stations, as Jim indicates. Probably. In any case, frack that stuff, I say. Or maybe walk or bike and don't frack it at all.
From: Liz Peterson Date: 11:38pm, Mar 02, 2012
I too, need to walk more, take more public transportation (very convenient to Uptown and avoid parking horrors!), and this year I resolve to get my bike tuned up (well, fixed, really). I know we have at least a couple of bike shops in Longfellow--any specific recommendations?) Regarding the cost of gas, I wouldn't mind paying a few cents more (even 10 cents more only comes out to a dollar more a tankful) if I can stay away from the large corporations (hard to escape the Koch brothers completely). I believe there is a small independent gas station on the corner of 46th Street and Minnehaha. Are there any others? Liz Peterson Hiawatha
From: Lia Mitchell Date: 3:07pm, Mar 03, 2012
Liz, I bought my current bike at the Hub Bike Co-op at Minnehaha and Lake, I shop there for bike stuff (lights, helmet, tubes, etc), and I get my bike tuned up there once a year. They're very knowledgable and helpful and have prevented me from buying the wrong thing more than once.
From: Steven Clift Date: 3:55pm, Mar 03, 2012
You local Forum host. Lee Love is traveling, so he asked me to keep an eye on the forum. Helping each other buy locally based on consumer preferences is withing local scope ... if you want to talk more broadly about these issues the US forum is to be used: http://e-democracy.org/us Each posts needs to have some connection to Longfellow built in somewhere. Steven Clift <email obscured> - +1 612 234 7072 http://stevenclift.com - @democracy http://e-democracy.org - @edemo
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