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      <pre>Thanks for the nice comments, Mike.

As to Mitch, it sounds like he would have been happier to see "Rage" at the
Target Center in Mpls.

There is still time folks, to come down and see the most peaceful and
informative protestnear theconvention. We will be here until 10PM. Parking is
easy a few blocks up the hill by the Cathedral on either Marshall, Dayton, or
Selby.

I might add that many of us have been interviewed by the press, i.e. Channel
11, both newspapers, Denver area press, Korean and German TV, and others I may
have missed. Even Washington Post writer, Gene Robinson, and commentatoron
MSNBC, stopped by and chatted for about 30 min. The Cathedral in house media
also stopped by to talk and take pictures.

<a href="http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=523826&amp;catid=14">http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=523826&amp;catid=14</a>

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      <pre>KFAI will close out the final hours of RNC convention coverage with news and
analysis and commentary as the Republicans themselves end the event with
more speeches. How good was this for the Twin Cities? What will be the
fallout from the role police played in the external drama? Tune in.</pre>
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      <pre>As someone who is responsible for suggesting restaurants to convention
delegates residing in a Minneapolis hotel, I agree. Minneapolis is getting the
biggest benefit from this event. St. Paul is getting the bigger black eye.

I know there was an event at the Myth night club in Maplewood and another at
the Earle Brown Center in Brooklyn Park?. There was also an event on one of the
Mississippi boats. The rest are here in Minneapolis, including a Beach Boys
concert.

Finally, I was asked to suggest a nearby restaurant a delegate could get
something other than a hot dog. This was 40 minutes prior to the last bus
departing for the Xcel Center for last night's programs. I tried to suggest St.
Paul restaurants, explaining that he could easily walk back to the Xcel Center
when finished. He was insistent on a Minneapolis restaurant even though, it
would be unlikely he would get to one, order food and get it before the last
bus left for St. Paul.

The experience added to delegates taking off their credentials they are
required to wear around their neck only points to an effort by someone or
something to scare delegates when they are in St. Paul.

Mike Fratto
Payne Phalen


Please help those who don't get enough to eat.
<a href="http://oyh.org">http://oyh.org</a>
<a href="http://hungersolutions.org">http://hungersolutions.org</a>

The future depends more on
what we do between now and then
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      <pre>We, as Minnesotans, owe Sen. McCain a vote of thanks for saving us from the
possibility, no matter how slight, of Governor Molnau.

On a local note, if Sheriff Fletcher had been as diligent in watching over his
own department instead of using informants and an undercover operative to watch
the anarchists over the last year, we might have been spared the indignity of
having a St Paul police officer and a sheriff's civilian employee tried and
convicted in an FBI sting operation.

I noted that the Palin family including the boyfriend of her pregnant minor
daughter.  If he is going to be included in family pictures with McCain,
discussing why he is there would seem to be reasonable.

She continues to lie about earmarks.  She said she rejected the Bridge to
Nowhere earmark "I told them [Congress] to keep it."  In fact she keep the
money, all $200 million of it.

My take, cute former beauty queen who talks with the smoothness of Rod Grams.
Unfortunately, I think there is about as much behind the facade as with Grams.

Back on local issues, the reaction of police/sheriff's deputies bears some
scrutiny.  Hauling off anarchists is one thing; arresting, placing in the
Juvenile Detention Center then turning out on the street minors without
notifying their parents is both wrong and against St Paul Police policy.

Over all the security has been heavy handed but not excessive.

However, just like the Super Bowl, the net benefit to St Paul has not been
positive.  Minneapolis seems to be getting the discretionary spending (parties,
meals, etc) and St Paul gets the lost business from reduced access to local
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      <pre>MitchSpeak Translation:

"From down below, it looks stunted, anemic, and kinda...pathetic?"

Holy crap, that looks pretty amazing. Why didn't we think of that!

"Sorry to say, it's not working."

I never thought something like this would actually work!

"amateurish, screechy, preachy and just plain not very good."

Professional,  clear, succinct, and pretty spot on!

"I don't think I met anyone who even noticed it. "

Everyone was talking about it

"That was a LOT of buildup for not a lot of payoff, guys."

Talk about exceeding expaectations

But lets be serious for a moment, Sarah Palin was pretty good last
night. Best VP Pick ever. I am so excited about the pick that I am
more energized than ever . . alebit for different reason I suspect.

Flash
Centrisity.com


On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Mitch Berg &lt;&lt;email obscured&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt; Yes, it is.
&gt;
&gt; And on looking at it last night from downtown - from the perspective from
which most RNC delegates and other real americans will see it - the first thing
that jumped to mind was the "stonehenge" scene from "This Is Spinal Tap".  From
down below, it looks stunted, anemic, and kinda...pathetic?
&gt;
&gt; I know, you folks were going for the whole 1984 "ninety seconds of hate" mass
video thing.  Sorry to say, it's not working.
&gt;
&gt; As to the content - I don't know.  It's hard to see it.  Other people have
told me it's pretty amateurish, screechy, preachy and just plain not very good.
&gt;
&gt; If the goal of "True Blue" was to provide a little entertainment for the
ragged edges of the cloud of smug that envelops the protesters, it may have
worked. Sort of.  I dunno.
&gt;
&gt; If it's to get through to RNC delegates, to shame them out of being
Republicans, yadda yadda?
&gt;
&gt; Sorry, guys.  I don't think I met anyone who even noticed it.  More or less
like the protests themselves.  After a year of predicting 50,000 or more, "you"
drew what, 5,000?  Maybe 10,000, if you count the folks sitting in Starbucks?
&gt;
&gt; That was a LOT of buildup for not a lot of payoff, guys.  Good thing you
won't be running the country anytime soon.
&gt;
&gt; Hey, Sarah Palin kicked you guys' butts, didn't she?
&gt;
&gt; Mitch Berg
&gt; The Midway
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Gary Thompson &lt;&lt;email obscured&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; From: Gary Thompson &lt;&lt;email obscured&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Subject: [MN-Pol] TRUE BLUE IS UP AND RUNNING! BE THERE FOR FILM UNDER THE
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      <pre>Mitch Berg wrote:

&gt;Hey, Sarah Palin kicked you guys' butts, didn't she?

ML:

Did I miss a fight?  Was there a WWE co-ed cage match at the Xcel Center last
night?  I did hear a clip of the Minnesota Senator from Brooklyn saying what
the fossil fuel energy industry pays him so well to say, but I missed hearing
about the fight I guess.

Matty Lang,
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      <pre>Now, now, Mitch.  Not everyone is as successful as you are.  Not everyone has
the great and thoughtful ideas like you do.  When are you going to start being
nice to your fellow travellers?

Gjerry Berquist
Breathable Air Advocate
Saint Paul
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  Subject: Re: [MN-Pol] TRUE BLUE IS UP AND RUNNING! BE THERE FOR FILM UNDER
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  Yes, it is.

  And on looking at it last night from downtown - from the perspective from
which most RNC delegates and other real americans will see it - the first thing
that jumped to mind was the "stonehenge" scene from "This Is Spinal Tap".  From
down below, it looks stunted, anemic, and kinda...pathetic?

  I know, you folks were going for the whole 1984 "ninety seconds of hate" mass
video thing.  Sorry to say, it's not working.

  As to the content - I don't know.  It's hard to see it.  Other people have
told me it's pretty amateurish, screechy, preachy and just plain not very good.

  If the goal of "True Blue" was to provide a little entertainment for the
ragged edges of the cloud of smug that envelops the protesters, it may have
worked. Sort of.  I dunno.

  If it's to get through to RNC delegates, to shame them out of being
Republicans, yadda yadda?

  Sorry, guys.  I don't think I met anyone who even noticed it.  More or less
like the protests themselves.  After a year of predicting 50,000 or more, "you"
drew what, 5,000?  Maybe 10,000, if you count the folks sitting in Starbucks?

  That was a LOT of buildup for not a lot of payoff, guys.  Good thing you
won't be running the country anytime soon.

  Hey, Sarah Palin kicked you guys' butts, didn't she?

  Mitch Berg
  The Midway


  --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Gary Thompson &lt;&lt;email obscured&gt;&gt; wrote:

  &gt; From: Gary Thompson &lt;&lt;email obscured&gt;&gt;
  &gt; Subject: [MN-Pol] TRUE BLUE IS UP AND RUNNING! BE THERE FOR FILM UNDER THE
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  &gt; To: &lt;email obscured&gt;
  &gt; Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 5:21 PM
  &gt; TRUE BLUE is up and running! And you are invited down. Come
  &gt; see all of True Blues tremendous films _ War Inc, Iraq
  &gt; Uncovered (not X rated), Iraq for Sale,, Body of War and
  &gt; True Blues own Deck of Destruction.
  &gt;
  &gt; True Blue is right at Kellogg Blvd. and John Ireland Blvd.
  &gt; just below the St. Paul Cathedral.
  &gt;
  &gt; Tired of anarchists turning our town into bedlam? Tired of
  &gt; anarchists taking attention away from the Republican record?
  &gt;
  &gt; Be a witness for peace and take the Republican record on at
  &gt; the same time!
  &gt;
  &gt; Come be part of True Blue. Bring your family and spend your
  &gt; afternoons and evening with us. You are welcome. Martha
  &gt; Ballou
  &gt;
  &gt;
  &gt; Subject: Jane Prince sent you an article from
  &gt; startribune.com
  &gt;
  &gt; Jane Prince wrote these comments: Here is our story, posted
  &gt; at 6:17 p.m. tonight. Let's see if it makes the print
  &gt; edition.
  &gt;
  &gt;
  &gt;
  &gt;
  &gt; This Article from StarTribune.com has been sent to you by
  &gt; JanePrince.
  &gt; *Please note, the sender's identity has not been
  &gt; verified.
  &gt;
  &gt; The full Article, with any associated images and links can
  &gt; be viewed here.
  &gt;
  &gt;
  &gt; Protesters: 1 for 3 on billboards
  &gt; Jill Burcum, Star Tribune
  &gt;
  &gt; The Jumbotron with the anti-war message that blazed through
  &gt; the gray day at the corner of Kellogg Blvd. and John Ireland
  &gt; Blvd.in St. Paul Tuesday was one of three battles
  &gt; overpolitical advertisementsthat ended in victory for those
  &gt; protesting the RNC.
  &gt;
  &gt; On Friday, court action by Ramsey County Judge Kathleen
  &gt; Gearin meant that True Blue Minnesota, a St. Paul-based
  &gt; group opposed to the war in Iraq, could put up its giant
  &gt; video billboard. Previously, the Capitol Area Architectural
  &gt; Planning Board had denied a variance to the group, with Lt.
  &gt; Gov. Carol Molnau casting the deciding vote.
  &gt;
  &gt; Molnau cited traffic safety concerns about the sign. Guerin
  &gt; didn't rule in favor of True Blue, but took the issue
  &gt; under advisement. The result was that True Blue could put up
  &gt; the rented 22-foot by 30-foot billboard as Guerin reviewed
  &gt; the records.
  &gt;
  &gt; Other groups protesting the RNC haven't fared as well.
  &gt; The Union of Concerned Scientists ! lost its bid to have an
  &gt; anti-nuclear weapons sign at the Minneapolis-St. Paulairport
  &gt; to greet just-arrived Republican officials and delegates.
  &gt;
  &gt; Last week, a New York photographer who had planned to
  &gt; display soldier portraits on five billboards around the Twin
  &gt; Cities had her contract canceled by CBS Outdoor, according
  &gt; to the New York Times. The portraits were part of the
  &gt; Soldier Billboard Project; one billboard went on display
  &gt; during the Democratic National Convention in Denver.
  &gt;
  &gt;
  &gt;
  &gt;
  &gt; Gary Thompson
  &gt; Highland Park, St. Paul
  &gt;
  &gt;
  &gt;
  &gt; Gary Thompson
  &gt; Highland Park, St. Paul
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      <pre>Yes, it is.

And on looking at it last night from downtown - from the perspective from which
most RNC delegates and other real americans will see it - the first thing that
jumped to mind was the "stonehenge" scene from "This Is Spinal Tap".  From down
below, it looks stunted, anemic, and kinda...pathetic?

I know, you folks were going for the whole 1984 "ninety seconds of hate" mass
video thing.  Sorry to say, it's not working.

As to the content - I don't know.  It's hard to see it.  Other people have told
me it's pretty amateurish, screechy, preachy and just plain not very good.

If the goal of "True Blue" was to provide a little entertainment for the ragged
edges of the cloud of smug that envelops the protesters, it may have worked.
Sort of.  I dunno.

If it's to get through to RNC delegates, to shame them out of being
Republicans, yadda yadda?

Sorry, guys.  I don't think I met anyone who even noticed it.  More or less
like the protests themselves.  After a year of predicting 50,000 or more, "you"
drew what, 5,000?  Maybe 10,000, if you count the folks sitting in Starbucks?

That was a LOT of buildup for not a lot of payoff, guys.  Good thing you won't
be running the country anytime soon.

Hey, Sarah Palin kicked you guys' butts, didn't she?

Mitch Berg
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      <pre>I resent folks hijacking my issue oriented Limerick thread (had to
switch to Haiku), too. There is certainly no need to point out what
may or may not be a personal failure of the family kind when there
are so many more important issues to discuss.

On Sep 3, 2008, at 8:44 AM, &lt;email obscured&gt; wrote:

&gt; Can we get back to issues?

Here's a last Limerick about global matters Minnesotans should be
concerned about, of which Bush and his protgs, John McCain and
Sarah Palin, have no grasp:

Joe Lieberman prods undecided
To country, not party be bided
He urges desertions
Of party insertions
But planet trumps country -- be chided

The most important issue to me is just what the Republican positions
are based upon, and the Palin choice by McCain cements the God, Guns,
and Gays crowd position in today's GOP, a party that, ironically,
started out standing for human rights 154 years or so ago, to
decisions and positions with no basis in reality, scientific or
religious. Our own governor has shown his true colors and abandoned
any semblance of scientific understanding to embrace Gov. Palin's
views on intelligent design and teaching religion in public schools
(NBC interview last Sun.).

I see people in control of our Metro area police forces abusing their
power in assaults and denials of rights on what may turn out to be
trumped-up evidence (we may never know thanks to the weakening of our
rights; they're all 'just so' claims, folks), and it reminds me of
the dystopian future portrayed in numerous works of science fiction,
where we live in degraded environments without rights and lorded over
by the pious of one religious or political denomination or another as
war rages. One day we may wake up and our constitution may be nothing
more than a cruel joke on us, somewhat less significant than my
Limericks.

Palin tonight along and all the others didn't help them one bit, I
think; their perennial ideological fusion problems are getting pretty
funny these days, especially given Joe's rampant nationalism
yesterday and the continuation, tonight. I think Obama will make it
to the White House, spending two terms there, and dying of old age,
much, much later (getting kind of macabre there, Wizard).</pre>
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      <pre>Chuck Repke: "I swear if we lose this election it is going to be because there
is such a large segment of the Obama fans that just can't stop going on the
personal attacks."

Frankly, I don't think Obama will be allowed to live until the election. There
are too many haters loose in this country and we have ample evidence of nut
jobs willing to shoot presidents, presidential hopefuls, and others.

Also, the votes were screwed up in Ohio during the last election and in Florida
the election before that.  What makes anyone think that it won't happen again?
This time, electronic voting could well make it easier to not count votes.

We've watched three days of police state behavior in St. Paul with one more to
go, all under the rubric of Homeland Security.

Obama has already been swift boated by that doofus Jerome Corsi. His book
attacking Obama is on the NY Times best seller list. The pusillanimous shock
jocks have raked both Obama and Clinton over the coals for the last 18 months.

And then there's Joe Lieberman.

I don't think we have a chance of an even marginally honest election.</pre>
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  <title>Back to issues: Breathable air supply</title>
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      <pre>Wow !!!  Chuck, Chuck, Chuck.  Hang in there will you?  I have never seen you
getting so unglued over anything other than those wacky environmentalist that
take you to task for your comments about breathable air and public health
versus saving JOBS at Rock-Tenn, and expanding the empire of District Energy
and the Port Authority.

 May I suggest you get back to that issue?  Remember, our breathable air supply
is compromised as it is.  We do not need anymore particles and toxic chemicals
added to our air from any incineration scheme  supported by the Port and the
Mayor and I suspect, you, the paid lobbyist.   If we cannot breathe our air
without health concerns, what difference does it make who is President?  At
this point, it seems that the major parties are sucking off of the same
corporate money hose.  Big oil and coal and their contractor buddies will
continue to sell their vision of what energy production should look like in
their, bought and paid for, country.  And most of us will continue to pay and
pay and pay with our health and the health of our children and our parents.

And really Chuck, what is this thing you have against Neanderthals anyway?

Peace/Love/Gjerry Berquist
Breathable Air Advocate
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: &lt;email obscured&gt;
  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [MN-Pol] McCain's Judgment was Re: RNC Limericks


  I swear if we lose this election it is going to be because there is such a
  large segment of the Obama fans that just can't stop going on the personal
  attacks.  For crying out loud by the end of their constant smear campaign
they
  actually made Hillary a object of sympathy.  They almost lost what  appeared
to
  be an insurmountable lead, because they were making the average  voter begin
  to like someone that they had always felt was a machine with no  human
  emotions.

  They even made Bill and Hillary out to be racists and now when Mc Cain  picks
  a right wing Pat Buchanan supporting Neanderthal as his running mate they
  are have to dig in to her daughter's sex life.  Come on someone claim that
  Palin was selling her daughter, can you get any more vile?

  Its a presidential election.  It ought to be about how people have and  will
  govern.

  I wouldn't want this right wing wacko anywhere near the powers of
government.

  Can we get back to issues?

  Chuck Repke
  Saint Paul




  In a message dated 9/2/2008 11:42:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
  &lt;email obscured&gt; writes:

  Palin  and McCain both push for abstinence-only sex education.  That
  hypocrisy  deserves attention.  Palin's willingness to subject her daughter
to this
  public humiliation deserves attention.  Conservatives are fawning all  over
the
  family simply because the kid didn't have an abortion.  What  about ADOPTION?
   Does anyone expect this marriage to succeed?  Will  they end up on welfare
  or are the Palins going to support them?  Support  for teenage mothers,
  childcare subsidies and affordable post-secondary  education are not
Republican
  strong points.

  Bristol doesn't deserve  public scrutiny, but her parents certainly do.  I
  hope the Enquirer gives  the Governor as much investigative time as it gave
John
  Edwards.

  Gail  O'Hare
  St. Paul


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      <pre>What is this crap Steve

Bruce Leier
Powderhorn

Commit random acts of literacy! Read &amp; Release at
<a href="http://www.bookcrossing.com/friend/agitator">http://www.bookcrossing.com/friend/agitator</a></pre>
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  <title>TRUE BLUE IS UP AND RUNNING! BE THERE FOR FILM UNDER THE STARS, TONIGHT "WAR INC" AND THE DECK OF DESTRUCTION</title>
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      <pre>TRUE BLUE is up and running! And you are invited down. Come see all of True
Blues tremendous films _ War Inc, Iraq Uncovered (not X rated), Iraq for Sale,,
Body of War and True Blues own Deck of Destruction.

True Blue is right at Kellogg Blvd. and John Ireland Blvd. just below the St.
Paul Cathedral.

Tired of anarchists turning our town into bedlam? Tired of anarchists taking
attention away from the Republican record?

Be a witness for peace and take the Republican record on at the same time!

Come be part of True Blue. Bring your family and spend your afternoons and
evening with us. You are welcome. Martha Ballou


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Protesters: 1 for 3 on billboards
Jill Burcum, Star Tribune

The Jumbotron with the anti-war message that blazed through the gray day at the
corner of Kellogg Blvd. and John Ireland Blvd.in St. Paul Tuesday was one of
three battles overpolitical advertisementsthat ended in victory for those
protesting the RNC.

On Friday, court action by Ramsey County Judge Kathleen Gearin meant that True
Blue Minnesota, a St. Paul-based group opposed to the war in Iraq, could put up
its giant video billboard. Previously, the Capitol Area Architectural Planning
Board had denied a variance to the group, with Lt. Gov. Carol Molnau casting
the deciding vote.

Molnau cited traffic safety concerns about the sign. Guerin didn't rule in
favor of True Blue, but took the issue under advisement. The result was that
True Blue could put up the rented 22-foot by 30-foot billboard as Guerin
reviewed the records.

Other groups protesting the RNC haven't fared as well. The Union of Concerned
Scientists ! lost its bid to have an anti-nuclear weapons sign at the
Minneapolis-St. Paulairport to greet just-arrived Republican officials and
delegates.

Last week, a New York photographer who had planned to display soldier portraits
on five billboards around the Twin Cities had her contract canceled by CBS
Outdoor, according to the New York Times. The portraits were part of the
Soldier Billboard Project; one billboard went on display during the Democratic
National Convention in Denver.




Gary Thompson
Highland Park, St. Paul</pre>
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      <pre>I swear if we lose this election it is going to be because there is such a
large segment of the Obama fans that just can't stop going on the personal
attacks.  For crying out loud by the end of their constant smear campaign  they
actually made Hillary a object of sympathy.  They almost lost what  appeared to
be an insurmountable lead, because they were making the average  voter begin
to like someone that they had always felt was a machine with no  human
emotions.

They even made Bill and Hillary out to be racists and now when Mc Cain  picks
a right wing Pat Buchanan supporting Neanderthal as his running mate they
are have to dig in to her daughter's sex life.  Come on someone claim that
Palin was selling her daughter, can you get any more vile?

Its a presidential election.  It ought to be about how people have and  will
govern.

I wouldn't want this right wing wacko anywhere near the powers of  government.

Can we get back to issues?

Chuck Repke
Saint Paul




In a message dated 9/2/2008 11:42:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
&lt;email obscured&gt; writes:

Palin  and McCain both push for abstinence-only sex education.  That
hypocrisy  deserves attention.  Palin's willingness to subject her daughter to
this
public humiliation deserves attention.  Conservatives are fawning all  over the
family simply because the kid didn't have an abortion.  What  about ADOPTION?
 Does anyone expect this marriage to succeed?  Will  they end up on welfare
or are the Palins going to support them?  Support  for teenage mothers,
childcare subsidies and affordable post-secondary  education are not Republican
strong points.

Bristol doesn't deserve  public scrutiny, but her parents certainly do.  I
hope the Enquirer gives  the Governor as much investigative time as it gave
John
Edwards.

Gail  O'Hare
St. Paul


Gail O'Hare
Highland, St. Paul
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      <pre>Dear friend,I have bought some electronic products from acompany from China
some days ago, I found that thequality is very good, and it provided me thebest
price and service. So please allow me tointroduce it to you. Thank you very
much.The web address is:<a href="http://bailecn.com">http://bailecn.com</a></pre>
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  <title>McCain's Judgment was Re: RNC Limericks</title>
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      <pre>On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:06:53 -0500, Laura Waterman Wittstock wrote:

&gt;I'm a Democrat and a DFL office holder (retired). I don't think there
&gt;is anything to be gained by criticizing Palin's early pregnancy or
&gt;her daughter's. Negativity on that level makes those who put it out
&gt;there sexists.

That is true.  Her daughter isn't running for election, and should be
left alone.  However, I think it is reasonable under the circumstances
to inquire what Palin's views are on sex education, and instruction of
youth about contraceptives, and how she feels those positions have
worked out.  If the youth don't pay attention, we can't really blame
Palin for that, but they should have the information, and know that it's
ok to act upon.

Trying to get her brother in law fired because her sister had a beef
with him is a bigger thing, in my book.  Being a member of an
organization that advocated Alaska's succession from the Union (slogan:
"Alaska First") is something that at least calls for some explanation on
her part, in my book.  Damn, we had a war over that once.  Note that her
gubernatorial campaign slogan was "Alaska First".  Involvement in
fundraising for Alaska's indicted Ted Stevens is another.</pre>
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      <pre>Palin and McCain both push for abstinence-only sex education.  That hypocrisy
deserves attention.  Palin's willingness to subject her daughter to this public
humiliation deserves attention.  Conservatives are fawning all over the family
simply because the kid didn't have an abortion.  What about ADOPTION?  Does
anyone expect this marriage to succeed?  Will they end up on welfare or are the
Palins going to support them?  Support for teenage mothers, childcare subsidies
and affordable post-secondary education are not Republican strong points.

Bristol doesn't deserve public scrutiny, but her parents certainly do.  I hope
the Enquirer gives the Governor as much investigative time as it gave John
Edwards.

Gail O'Hare
St. Paul</pre>
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      <pre>On Sep 2, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Mike Schoenberg wrote:

&gt; We should not hold Palin's daughter for her parent's failure at
&gt; parenting and sex education. After all, she was just following in
&gt; Mom's
&gt; footsteps, who also became pregnant before she eloped with the child's
&gt; father, her current husband. This may be a case of do like I did, not
&gt; what I say.
&gt;


I'm a Democrat and a DFL office holder (retired). I don't think there
is anything to be gained by criticizing Palin's early pregnancy or
her daughter's. Negativity on that level makes those who put it out
there sexists.

I think there is plenty to be said about Governor Palin's ability to
hold office. The electorate in Alaska constitute a very small number.
50% regard Senator Ted Stevens highly, after his indictment. Just
perusing several of the web sites on voting and various topics
indicates that nothing seems to be too far to the right in Alaska.

The voting public in the lower 48 as it is called are less likely to
occupy the wild frontier attitude found in Alaska. Here I think Palin
will have some tall talking to do. But few women will be inclined to
pick on early pregnancies as a reason to not vote for her.

This selection of Palin by McCain is starting to remind me of the
1992 Ross Perot presidential candidacy. Ross seemed to be going along
fairly well until he announced his vice presidential candidate.
People said, "huh?"

Laura
Southeast/Como
Minneapolis


Laura Waterman Wittstock
President and CEO
Wittstock &amp; Associates
913 19th Ave SE
Minneapolis, MN 55414
612-387-4915
www.laurawatermanwittstock.com</pre>
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      <pre>5-7-5, 17 total syllables; no whiskey required (but appreciated when
offered)

Grand Old Party meets
Minneapolis St. Paul
Democracy takes hit

Fitzgerald's Rice Park
The Night Watch of Peanuts kids
St. Paul will return

Federali Blues
Terminal Party hiccups
George by satellite

Rovian joy boy
Roly-poly politics
On permanent leave

Central Corridor
Minneapolis St. Paul
Broken city links

Television on
Brains scrambling coast to coast
Lie to me some more

Norm lives in Pigs Eye
Manse basement temporary
Home for our good soon

Minnesota nice
Bachmann burned her overdrive
Elwyn Tinklenberg

Republicans fear
Love God or Grover Norquist
It's money they love

Fred Thompson picks nose
Says hello to Gustavus
'Hi' to McCain's mom

Temper, temper, John
Reason leaves one in a rage
Rage defeats complete

Go down, way down Joe
Minneapolis St. Paul
Stand up, vote Obama

Joe ain't good enough
"Let's all reach across the aisle"
Stand up, vote Obama

A baker's dozen.</pre>
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