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While watching the Minnesota/Air Force game last night in the beautiful new stadium, I couldn't help but think that the old stadium, Memorial Stadium, was named as a tribute to the Minnesota veterans of WWI. The new one is named after a local bank that paid for the rights to the name. That, I think, says a lot about what's happening to our state. Such an arrangement wouldn't have been considered when the old stadium was built.
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM, M Charles Swope <email obscured>> wrote: > While watching the Minnesota/Air Force game last night in the beautiful new stadium, I couldn't help but think that the old stadium, Memorial Stadium, was named as a tribute to the Minnesota veterans of WWI. The new one is named after a local bank that paid for the rights to the name. That, I think, says a lot about what's happening to our state. Such an arrangement wouldn't have been considered when the old stadium was built. Back when the old stadium was built there were no such thing as naming rights. So, the name, TCF Bank Stadium, says more that sports, collegiate and professional, have become big business more than the state has lost it's moral compass. John Harris mpls
"Back when the old stadium was built there were [sic] no such thing as naming rights." Of course there were. There was nothing to prevent selling naming rights in the 1920's or '30's. It's just that no-one would have thought of doing such a thing.
--- On Sun, 9/13/09, John Harris <email obscured>> wrote: From: John Harris <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [Minnesota] TCF Bank Stadium To: "AAAA MN forum" <email obscured>> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 4:10 PM On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM, M Charles Swope <email obscured>> wrote: > While watching the Minnesota/Air Force game last night in the beautiful new stadium, I couldn't help but think that the old stadium, Memorial Stadium, was named as a tribute to the Minnesota veterans of WWI. The new one is named after a local bank that paid for the rights to the name. That, I think, says a lot about what's happening to our state. Such an arrangement wouldn't have been considered when the old stadium was built. Back when the old stadium was built there were no such thing as naming rights. So, the name, TCF Bank Stadium, says more that sports, collegiate and professional, have become big business more than the state has lost it's moral compass. John Harris mpls John Harris Webber-Camden, Minneapolis Info about John Harris: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/johnharris View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2tnxLRbBHjiCYQujddfSCa ----------------------------------------- To post, e-mail: <email obscured> Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" in subject, then send to: <email obscured> More information about Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum: http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules ----------------------------------------- Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net Rules: Be civil - No name calling, personal attacks, etc. http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics/charter Complaints to: <email obscured>
John Harris wrote: > Back when the old stadium was built there were no such thing as naming rights. So, the name, TCF Bank Stadium, says more that sports, collegiate and professional, have become big business more than the state has lost it's moral compass. Well, it presupposes that the state did actually have a moral compass at some point, a point that may be in dispute. And it imbues sports (entertainment shows produced by private parties and other associations) with a lot more significance than they actually have. So it's just one indication, though it does indicate that selling (a minor bit of) public property for a few temporary bucks is found acceptable in some quarters.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: M Charles Swope <email obscured>] ... The new one is named after a local bank that paid for the rights to the name. ... ========== Except that TCF is moving its headquarters and thus no longer local. It's moving to Sioux Falls to avoid taxes and regulation. http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/02/13/tcf_bank_moving_headquarters_to_sioux_falls/
Kind of?!? From the article:
-- TCF said the move will not change the number of employees it has in Minnesota. The Wayzata-based company has 3,000 employees in the state and the new South Dakota headquarters and branch bank will employ only 10 to 15 people. -- and: -- TCF's CEO Bill Cooper has long made it clear he doesn't like Minnesota's taxes. But Keith Getschel, with the Minnesota Revenue Department, said his analysis of the TCF move shows it will have a minimal impact on the company's corporate franchise tax payments to the state. "Well I guess we don't see that there's going to be much of an advantage and I don't think they've talked about it," Getschel said. "What I've read from their standpoint, it isn't a tax matter." -- No dispute, however, that SD has more friendly banking laws. Flash Centrisity.com On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Darrell Gerber <email obscured>> wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: M Charles Swope <email obscured>] > > ... The new one is named after a local bank that paid for the rights to the name. ... > > ========== > > Except that TCF is moving its headquarters and thus no longer local. It's moving to Sioux Falls to avoid taxes and regulation. > > http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/02/13/tcf_bank_moving_headquarters_to_sioux_falls/ > > > > > > > > Darrell Gerber > Kingfield, Minneapolis > Info about Darrell Gerber: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/darrellgerber > > View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/1q1m1XiT1uQG6aBNv8zEgj > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net > > Rules: Be civil - No name calling, personal attacks, etc. > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics/charter > Complaints to: <email obscured> > -- I ask that all E-Mails received from me be considered personal and private correspondence. Reprinting, posting, and/or publishing requests will be considered on an individual basis. Please do not hesitate to contact me for this authorization
As a society we valued things like stadiums, realizing the civic pride they bring. We paid for them using tax payer monies. We didn't say, you want that, go get your own money to pay for it. Today we don't see the big picture with a single lens. We have other compelling needs with broader bases of influence that express need and advocate for resources. We loose some of these things that actually have the potential to bring us together as a community. But then again, that community need tended to be defined by a narrow more homogeneous base. We live in a different time. I hope we can keep finding things that still bring us together.
________________________ Steve Kotvis Minneapolis > From: M Charles Swope <email obscured>> > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:34:36 -0400 > To: AAAA MN forum <email obscured>>, John Harris > <email obscured>> > Conversation: [Minnesota] TCF Bank Stadium > Subject: Re: [Minnesota] TCF Bank Stadium > > "Back when the old stadium was built there were [sic] no such thing as naming > rights." Of course there were. There was nothing to prevent selling naming > rights in the 1920's or '30's. It's just that no-one would have thought of > doing such a thing. > > --- On Sun, 9/13/09, John Harris <email obscured>> wrote: > > From: John Harris <email obscured>> > Subject: Re: [Minnesota] TCF Bank Stadium > To: "AAAA MN forum" <email obscured>> > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 4:10 PM > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM, M Charles Swope <email obscured>> wrote: >> While watching the Minnesota/Air Force game last night in the beautiful new >> stadium, I couldn't help but think that the old stadium, Memorial Stadium, >> was named as a tribute to the Minnesota veterans of WWI. The new one is named >> after a local bank that paid for the rights to the name. That, I think, says >> a lot about what's happening to our state. Such an arrangement wouldn't have >> been considered when the old stadium was built. > > Back when the old stadium was built there were no such thing as naming > rights. So, the name, TCF Bank Stadium, says more that sports, > collegiate and professional, have become big business more than the > state has lost it's moral compass. > > John Harris > mpls > > John Harris > Webber-Camden, Minneapolis > Info about John Harris: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/johnharris > > View all messages on this topic at: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2tnxLRbBHjiCYQujddfSCa > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net > > Rules: Be civil - No name calling, personal attacks, etc. > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics/charter > Complaints to: <email obscured> > > Charles Swope > Ramsey Hill, Ward 2, St. Paul > Info about Charlie Swope: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/charlesswope > > View all messages on this topic at: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/6l7jiTf45jqCfEZUrlPh8L > ----------------------------------------- > To post, e-mail: <email obscured> > Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. > To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" > in subject, then send to: <email obscured> > > More information about Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics > > E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules > ----------------------------------------- > Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net > > Rules: Be civil - No name calling, personal attacks, etc. > http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics/charter > Complaints to: <email obscured>
When Indian Gambling Money was used (Donation) to build a plaza honoring the Native tribes in the State of Minnesota at the front door of this stadium, made me realize some glaring paradoxes between what certain Indian Tribes want the average Minnesota taxpayer to see and view as reality and what is actually reality in regard to Native American Indians in Minnesota. Yes Natives Tribes do deserve the recognition for the sacrifices in blood sweat and tears that comprised the histories of our Nation but the glaring paradox i refer to is when you look at the amount of gambling money made from these casinos and the disparity of wealth of Indian people in Minnesota while casinos being run in their namesake yet the Minnesota taxpayer pays the majority of the health and welfare of Native Peoples, something is seriously wrong. And of course you add to this that there is no Native Anishinabe American in The Minnesota Legislature membership yet Indian Gambling money is in so many of these pockets one must ask themselves why? Is it a BUY OFF PROGRAM we got here with these gambling dollars? Is all this 19 BILLION Dollar Gambling Business doing so well for us Native Peoples creating so much political clout for us that makes this UNION AFFILIATED State recognize The Native American Indian Labor #12 provide for the needs for our young men and women to be able to get help becoming a contributing member of all these UNIONS . NO the AFL-CIO will not even send this Union of Natives a piece of paper recognizing our wish to be affiliated with the AFL-CIO On a recent trip to North Dakota where every highway sign has a Indian with a head dress on it back dropped with the highway number reminded me of this "Plaza" where everything is sold as put away good while its not and i knew it when i stopped at the next town and stopped for gas and cringed at the racist stares and dirty looks i got on more than a few occasions while in that town for a week. What i hope is we dont get duped thrice,once at the slots and twice at the polls and by the rats. Gregory W. Paquin Candidate for Minnesota Senate District: 4 1511 Roosevelt Road SE. Bemidji, Minnesota , 56601 218-209-3157 h 651-503-9493 c check out my blog: http://nativeamericanindianlaborunion12.blogspot.com/
--- On Sun, 9/13/09, John Harris <email obscured>> wrote: From: John Harris <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [Minnesota] TCF Bank Stadium To: "AAAA MN forum" <email obscured>> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 4:10 PM On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM, M Charles Swope <email obscured>> wrote: > While watching the Minnesota/Air Force game last night in the beautiful new stadium, I couldn't help but think that the old stadium, Memorial Stadium, was named as a tribute to the Minnesota veterans of WWI. The new one is named after a local bank that paid for the rights to the name. That, I think, says a lot about what's happening to our state. Such an arrangement wouldn't have been considered when the old stadium was built. Back when the old stadium was built there were no such thing as naming rights. So, the name, TCF Bank Stadium, says more that sports, collegiate and professional, have become big business more than the state has lost it's moral compass. John Harris mpls John Harris Webber-Camden, Minneapolis Info about John Harris: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/johnharris View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2tnxLRbBHjiCYQujddfSCa ----------------------------------------- To post, e-mail: <email obscured> Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. To leave or for daily digest, type "unsubscribe" or "digest on" in subject, then send to: <email obscured> More information about Minnesota Politics and Issues Forum: http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics E-Democracy.Org rules: http://e-democracy.org/rules ----------------------------------------- Technical assistance thanks to our friends at http://OnlineGroups.Net Rules: Be civil - No name calling, personal attacks, etc. http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mn-politics/charter Complaints to: <email obscured>
I certainly would like to know what Greg is talking about. I haven't been to the bank, so I don't know what he is talking about and why, if it was donated by Native American money, that it is a big deal. Is he saying the Casino gambling operations were something allowed by Minnesota? There is also an issue related to unions and joining the AFL-CIO? I am not sure why this is a big deal. The AFL-CIO is very picky about who they allow in. Just because you are a union with actual labor contracts or bargaining rights does not mean they will honor your picket lines. Just ask AFSCME and MAPE. I am also unclear as to the comment made about US government provided health care. Does he think the Casino money from another Native American government should provide it? Finally, Greg, what is your issue with the fact that there are no Native Anishinabe Americans in The Minnesota Legislature and their contributions to whom ever? Aren't the contributions a decision made by Tribe elders and membership in the Legislature a matter of running in an election and winning? Mike Fratto St. Paul, MN Please help those who don't get enough to eat. http://oyh.org http://hungersolutions.org The future depends more on what we do between now and then Than what we did in the past.
--- On Sat, 9/19/09, greg paquin <email obscured>> wrote: From: greg paquin <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [Minnesota] TCF Bank Stadium To: "AAAA MN forum" <email obscured>>, "John Harris" <email obscured>> Cc: <email obscured>, <email obscured>, <email obscured> Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 5:10 PM When Indian Gambling Money was used (Donation) to build a plaza honoring the Native tribes in the State of Minnesota at the front door of this stadium, made me realize some glaring paradoxes between what certain Indian Tribes want the average Minnesota taxpayer to see and view as reality and what is actually reality in regard to Native American Indians in Minnesota. Yes Natives Tribes do deserve the recognition for the sacrifices in blood sweat and tears that comprised the histories of our Nation but the glaring paradox i refer to is when you look at the amount of gambling money made from these casinos and the disparity of wealth of Indian people in Minnesota while casinos being run in their namesake yet the Minnesota taxpayer pays the majority of the health and welfare of Native Peoples, something is seriously wrong. And of course you add to this that there is no Native Anishinabe American in The Minnesota Legislature membership yet Indian Gambling money is in so many of these pockets one must ask themselves why? Is it a BUY OFF PROGRAM we got here with these gambling dollars? Is all this 19 BILLION Dollar Gambling Business doing so well for us Native Peoples creating so much political clout for us that makes this UNION AFFILIATED State recognize The Native American Indian Labor #12 provide for the needs for our young men and women to be able to get help becoming a contributing member of all these UNIONS . NO the AFL-CIO will not even send this Union of Natives a piece of paper recognizing our wish to be affiliated with the AFL-CIO On a recent trip to North Dakota where every highway sign has a Indian with a head dress on it back dropped with the highway number reminded me of this "Plaza" where everything is sold as put away good while its not and i knew it when i stopped at the next town and stopped for gas and cringed at the racist stares and dirty looks i got on more than a few occasions while in that town for a week. What i hope is we dont get duped thrice,once at the slots and twice at the polls and by the rats. Gregory W. Paquin Candidate for Minnesota Senate District: 4 1511 Roosevelt Road SE. Bemidji, Minnesota , 56601 218-209-3157 h 651-503-9493 c check out my blog: http://nativeamericanindianlaborunion12.blogspot.com/ --- On Sun, 9/13/09, John Harris <email obscured>> wrote: From: John Harris <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [Minnesota] TCF Bank Stadium To: "AAAA MN forum" <email obscured>> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 4:10 PM On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM, M Charles Swope <email obscured>> wrote: > While watching the Minnesota/Air Force game last night in the beautiful new stadium, I couldn't help but think that the old stadium, Memorial Stadium, was named as a tribute to the Minnesota veterans of WWI. The new one is named after a local bank that paid for the rights to the name. That, I think, says a lot about what's happening to our state. Such an arrangement wouldn't have been considered when the old stadium was built. Back when the old stadium was built there were no such thing as naming rights. So, the name, TCF Bank Stadium, says more that sports, collegiate and professional, have become big business more than the state has lost it's moral compass. John Harris mpls John Harris Webber-Camden, Minneapolis Info about John Harris: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/johnharris View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2tnxLRbBHjiCYQujddfSCa ----------------------------------------- To post, e-mail: <email obscured> Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. 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Good Morning Mike, Thank You for your interest, and i will explain as best i can before someone else does. When you say i haven't been to the bank ,i direct you instead to the Plaza in front of the TCF U of M Stadium . Casino gambling is allowed in this cash strapped economy via a gambling compact between ALL Tribes and the State of Minnesota .( COMPACTS ) This is where the Donation money came from by the " Mystic " Casino in particular. The Chief there is Stan Crooks who is also Head of The Minnesota Indian Gaming Association . This group of 9 of the 11 Tribes In Minnesota Protect The Compacts as they stand with Donations to most Minnesota Politicians in many forms and ways . Buying influence to protect gambling is one thing but the flip side of that coin is the constituents of these tribal governments are stuck in a world of taxation without representation because all these politicians who take gambling money to look the other way or as John Percell state rep sd4 told me getting into tribal/ federal politics "is too sticky" when i asked about affirmative action responsibilities on the 21 million dollar bonded bill that is now building the Bemidji Regional Event Center.When you take a vote From and Indian in this state whether he is ON a Reservation or not he/she should be represented by the upholding of EEOC guidelines on any State Or Federal Funded Project ,OOH no, all that gambling money and influence buying is not Helping The Native American Indian Labor Union #12 Put to work our constituency and recognize The Abject Poverty Joblessness of Indians whether they live On or Off Any RESERVATION! As far as the AFL-CIO reference i made application to be affiliated with this organization with Ray Waldron who told me to hand the application to second in command Steve Hunter which i did personally at their office in St. Paul. No action taken on their part so when i look for a reason why they want to ignore Our Union of Native Peoples i ask myself why ,are not we able to collectively bargain a better representation for the Native youth in this unionized workforce ? When i work with the Minnesota Department of Labor and receive all the statistics on the breakdown of Minority members in all these unions who have to submit EEOC figures i find such dismal representation of native Men and Women i am appalled . I am Running for SD 4 Against Sen Mary Olson who ironically had as her campaign manager ,as told to me at the Cass County DFL executive Meeting ,that John McCarthy second in command at the Minnesota Indian Gaming Association who lives here in Bemidji ran her campaign to get elected over a Native American Leech Lake Attorney Irene Folstrum in the last election when Pawlenty wanted to change the footing of gambling in this state by doing business on a casino project with northern minnesota tribes to bring a state partnered deal into the lucrative twin city gambling market . Hence now you have the Big Buy off program up here swallowed hook line and sinker by tribes who have recieved "LOANS" to build more of these homes for out of state owned gambling machines . All this going on and when i try to get press on any issue relating to Indian Issues i get down played or ignored . I will not stand for this any longer and will do whatever it takes to make a better place for all our communities to live and enjoy the truth in Politics. Gregory W. Paquin Candidate for Minnesota Senate District: 4 1511 Roosevelt Road SE. Bemidji, Minnesota , 56601 218-209-3157 h 651-503-9493 c check out my blog: http://nativeamericanindianlaborunion12.blogspot.com/
--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Mike Fratto <email obscured>> wrote: From: Mike Fratto <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [Minnesota] TCF Bank Stadium To: "AAAA MN forum" <email obscured>>, "John Harris" <email obscured>>, "greg paquin" <email obscured>> Cc: <email obscured>, <email obscured>, <email obscured> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:43 AM I certainly would like to know what Greg is talking about. I haven't been to the bank, so I don't know what he is talking about and why, if it was donated by Native American money, that it is a big deal. Is he saying the Casino gambling operations were something allowed by Minnesota? There is also an issue related to unions and joining the AFL-CIO? I am not sure why this is a big deal. The AFL-CIO is very picky about who they allow in. Just because you are a union with actual labor contracts or bargaining rights does not mean they will honor your picket lines. Just ask AFSCME and MAPE. I am also unclear as to the comment made about US government provided health care. Does he think the Casino money from another Native American government should provide it? Finally, Greg, what is your issue with the fact that there are no Native Anishinabe Americans in The Minnesota Legislature and their contributions to whom ever? Aren't the contributions a decision made by Tribe elders and membership in the Legislature a matter of running in an election and winning? Mike Fratto St. Paul, MN Please help those who don't get enough to eat. http://oyh.org http://hungersolutions.org The future depends more on what we do between now and then Than what we did in the past. --- On Sat, 9/19/09, greg paquin <email obscured>> wrote: From: greg paquin <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [Minnesota] TCF Bank Stadium To: "AAAA MN forum" <email obscured>>, "John Harris" <email obscured>> Cc: <email obscured>, <email obscured>, <email obscured> Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 5:10 PM When Indian Gambling Money was used (Donation) to build a plaza honoring the Native tribes in the State of Minnesota at the front door of this stadium, made me realize some glaring paradoxes between what certain Indian Tribes want the average Minnesota taxpayer to see and view as reality and what is actually reality in regard to Native American Indians in Minnesota. Yes Natives Tribes do deserve the recognition for the sacrifices in blood sweat and tears that comprised the histories of our Nation but the glaring paradox i refer to is when you look at the amount of gambling money made from these casinos and the disparity of wealth of Indian people in Minnesota while casinos being run in their namesake yet the Minnesota taxpayer pays the majority of the health and welfare of Native Peoples, something is seriously wrong. And of course you add to this that there is no Native Anishinabe American in The Minnesota Legislature membership yet Indian Gambling money is in so many of these pockets one must ask themselves why? Is it a BUY OFF PROGRAM we got here with these gambling dollars? Is all this 19 BILLION Dollar Gambling Business doing so well for us Native Peoples creating so much political clout for us that makes this UNION AFFILIATED State recognize The Native American Indian Labor #12 provide for the needs for our young men and women to be able to get help becoming a contributing member of all these UNIONS . NO the AFL-CIO will not even send this Union of Natives a piece of paper recognizing our wish to be affiliated with the AFL-CIO On a recent trip to North Dakota where every highway sign has a Indian with a head dress on it back dropped with the highway number reminded me of this "Plaza" where everything is sold as put away good while its not and i knew it when i stopped at the next town and stopped for gas and cringed at the racist stares and dirty looks i got on more than a few occasions while in that town for a week. What i hope is we dont get duped thrice,once at the slots and twice at the polls and by the rats. Gregory W. Paquin Candidate for Minnesota Senate District: 4 1511 Roosevelt Road SE. Bemidji, Minnesota , 56601 218-209-3157 h 651-503-9493 c check out my blog: http://nativeamericanindianlaborunion12.blogspot.com/ --- On Sun, 9/13/09, John Harris <email obscured>> wrote: From: John Harris <email obscured>> Subject: Re: [Minnesota] TCF Bank Stadium To: "AAAA MN forum" <email obscured>> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 4:10 PM On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM, M Charles Swope <email obscured>> wrote: > While watching the Minnesota/Air Force game last night in the beautiful new stadium, I couldn't help but think that the old stadium, Memorial Stadium, was named as a tribute to the Minnesota veterans of WWI. The new one is named after a local bank that paid for the rights to the name. That, I think, says a lot about what's happening to our state. Such an arrangement wouldn't have been considered when the old stadium was built. Back when the old stadium was built there were no such thing as naming rights. So, the name, TCF Bank Stadium, says more that sports, collegiate and professional, have become big business more than the state has lost it's moral compass. John Harris mpls John Harris Webber-Camden, Minneapolis Info about John Harris: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/johnharris View all messages on this topic at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/r/topic/2tnxLRbBHjiCYQujddfSCa ----------------------------------------- To post, e-mail: <email obscured> Use "Reply-to-All" via e-mail to post publicly. 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Seems to me that the last two posts in this thread have only an incidental relationship to TCF Stadium and the use of naming rights (which was the point of the initial thread and most responses). I'd suggest that if the current direction of discussion is maintained, a new thread with a more descriptive title be started. Also -- and this is directed to all members of the forum -- when you're responding to a post that's responding to another post (etc), it's a good idea to quote "judiciously." The software adds a link back to the original thread ... all you really need to quote is that section of the latest e-mail to which you're responding. Regards, Rick Mons Forum Manager
Mr. Paquin, You have three issues in your posts on this thread, which may or may not be closely related. The first is the American Indian Plaza at TCF Stadium. From photos via google, the recognition of Minnesota tribes are stele on the plaza. They look to be "put your best feet forward" pieces--as they should be in such a public setting. It seems an apt place to put such things as thousands of people, many knowing virtually nothing about Minnesota Indians, can get a small glimmer of the richness of tribal peoples in MN and could conceivably spark interest in wanting to know more about the tribes. I'm glad they did it. I may even go so far as to go over there and view the stele, even though I don't give a fiddler's farthing about football. The second issue is a union wanting AFL-CIO recognition. The history of unions in this country is fraught with blood, sweat, and tears. It has, virtually each time, been a monumental struggle to organize a union and get recognition for it to bargain collectively for working people. Ergo, the tale you tell isn't unusual and clearly the struggle is not over. The third is Anishanabe in the legislature. Thee Anishanabe should be in the legislature, a should the Dakota and the other MN tribes. If you are saying that the DFL, GOP, and other political parties do not find and promote Indians for legislative positions, that's true. It's no simple thing to run for office and it's expensive, but unless Indian people are willing to do all the work to get party backing and the further work to get elected, tribal people will not be in the legislature.
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