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From: Todd Heintz Date: Jun 18 01:49 UTC Short link

Commissioners were reacting to the large number of boarded-up and burned houses
in north Minneapolis that have been abandoned or foreclosed on.

  By MARY JANE SMETANKA and STEVE BRANDT, Star Tribune staff writers
  Last update: June 17, 2008 - 8:19 PM

  Concerned that some Minneapolis neighborhoods are on the verge of becoming so
scarred by boarded and abandoned houses that they may not bounce back, Hennepin
County commissioners voted Tuesday to allocate as much as $1.25 million to the
city to speed demolition of at least 50 houses.

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/20154634.html?location_refer=Minneapolis:highlightModules:1


  Todd Heintz, Jordan


"An enemy is a friend waiting to be made. An enemy is really a member of my
family," Archbishop Desmond Tutu 04.11.08

From: Mandy Tempel Date: Jun 18 04:08 UTC Short link

The article mentions:

"Most of the Minneapolis properties that are boarded and vacant will not be
demolished but will be rehabbed, said Henry Reimer, the city's inspection
services director."

Of the buildings that are set for demolition, can any of the remaining building
materials be reused/recycled/reclaimed or are these homes a total loss?

How can communities be a part of the rehabbing process?  How can we encourage
the city/county to focus on creating more sustainable and affordable homes?

Mandy Tempel, NE Park

From: joan thom Date: Jun 18 05:32 UTC Short link

The homes that will finally be demolished have been standing burnt out for two
or more years with hole in the roof and Henry Reimer has probably not seen a
one of them. Those of us whom have had to live with them have given up on
reporting the number of times they have been open to trespass because it just
costs us more and there is no one to pay the bill except us currently paying
our taxes. Since the city doesn't have money for demolition they have been just
left standing. If there was anything of reclaimable value it has been long
since stolen and sold to either the scrap yard or the salvage and antique
dealers.
Joan Thom
Hawthorne

  ----- Original Message -----
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  Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mpls] Hennepin County to speed house demolitions


  The article mentions:

  "Most of the Minneapolis properties that are boarded and vacant will not be
demolished but will be rehabbed, said Henry Reimer, the city's inspection
services director."

  Of the buildings that are set for demolition, can any of the remaining
building materials be reused/recycled/reclaimed or are these homes a total
loss?

  How can communities be a part of the rehabbing process?  How can we encourage
the city/county to focus on creating more sustainable and affordable homes?

  Mandy Tempel, NE Park


  Amanda Tempel
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From: Dyna Sluyter Date: Jun 19 02:19 UTC Short link

Joan is right- most of these houses are way beyond rehab. The
average foreclosed/abandoned house on the Northside is around a
century old, has a questionable foundation if any at all, has no
insulation, and no longer has plumbing or wiring. Rehab? You're
looking at gutting to the studs, then installing completely new
heating, plumbing, and electrical as well as insulation and energy
efficient windows and doors. And back to that questionable
foundation... if you have to fix that you may as well put a new house
on it. We're looking at around $100 a square foot for a rehab, and we
haven't even figured in a new roof or siding yet. So we're talking
$100,000 to rehab a typical 1000 square foot house... For half that
you can buy a new manufactured home (www.designhomes.com) and by the
time you get a foundation and utilities in you'll have a new home for
less than the price of a rehabbed century old one.

	Once you've got that house rehabbed or a new one plopped down on the
lot, you have to find a buyer for it. Good luck- North Minneapolis
has a justifiable reputation as the most dangerous community in the
state. That reputation will take years to live down even if crime
rates continue to drop, making North Minneapolis the least desireable
and last choice community for the foreseeable future. Even if gas
prices drive suburban commuters closer to their jobs, remember that a
lot of those jobs are no longer in the city, and commuters to
Minneapolis will fill in every last domicile in the inner ring
suburbs and the safer neighborhoods of Minneapolis and St.Paul before
they even look at the Northside. And new immigrants? ICE is deporting
500,000 undocumented immigrants a year at a cost of $5,000,000,000-
that's $10,000 a person. Your tax dollars at work... Not!

	So the reality is that North Minneapolis will have a lot of green
space for the next decade or three. Of course, our broke-but-doesn't-
know-it Park Board will make a grab for this turf, competing with dim
bulb social service agencies that build housing whether there's a
market for it or not. Whatever happens, we taxpayers are going to pay
through the nose to maintain this vast spread of tax forfeit
properties thanks to a mayor and governor that cut police positions
while adding to their own office staffs.

	from Hawthorne on the abandoned Northside,

		Dyna Sluyter

On Jun 18, 2008, at 12:23 AM, joan thom wrote:

> The homes that will finally be demolished have been standing burnt
> out for two or more years with hole in the roof and Henry Reimer
> has probably not seen a one of them. Those of us whom have had to
> live with them have given up on reporting the number of times they
> have been open to trespass because it just costs us more and there
> is no one to pay the bill except us currently paying our taxes.
> Since the city doesn't have money for demolition they have been
> just left standing. If there was anything of reclaimable value it
> has been long since stolen and sold to either the scrap yard or the
> salvage and antique dealers.
> Joan Thom
> Hawthorne
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Mandy Tempel<mailto:<email obscured>>
>   To: Minneapolis Issues Forum<mailto:<email obscured>>
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:09 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Mpls] Hennepin County to speed house demolitions
>
>
>   The article mentions:
>
>   "Most of the Minneapolis properties that are boarded and vacant
> will not be demolished but will be rehabbed, said Henry Reimer, the
> city's inspection services director."
>
>   Of the buildings that are set for demolition, can any of the
> remaining building materials be reused/recycled/reclaimed or are
> these homes a total loss?
>
>   How can communities be a part of the rehabbing process?  How can
> we encourage the city/county to focus on creating more sustainable
> and affordable homes?
>
>   Mandy Tempel, NE Park
>
>
>   Amanda Tempel
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From: Ray Rolfe Date: Jun 20 01:08 UTC Short link

Darnit! I'm still shopping them! I have it in mind that I can afford a house
for about 15 to 20 thousand. This does represent the pricing of the 50 or so
cheapest properties. I'd rather have a go at rehabbing from recycled and
reclaimed materials then buying a prefab for a 10 thousand dollar lot.

PLEASE don't have an accelerated demo season this summer and erase a bunch of
hundred year old houses that I can afford!

And why not run a DECONSTRUCTION program with the few that really are burned
out (3 in my glance at the MLS) rather then a demolition season. Salvage the
materials from the ones that truly can't be saved (again, very FEW can't be
saved) and offer the materials to homeowners doing rehab, through the
neighborhood organizations.

NorthSide needs something like SECIA.
The McKnight Foundation granted SECIA $120,000 for their "Green Village"
initiative. read about it here:
http://secomo.org/drupal/index.php?q=green-village

Why not run an innovative program through Hawthorn, or Harrison, or a
collaboration of ALL the neighborhoods... NORTHSIDE ARTS COLLECTIVE would be a
great candidate. Why not run an innovative program to rebuild northside
utilizing the creativity and resourcefulness of the neighbors, rather then
outside forces funding a huge demolition campaign. I'm sure the new properties
will be out of my price range and it sucks that thats the point.
Please don't price poor folks out of Minneapolis. I'll buy and creatively fix!
No plumbing? PVC is CHEAP! No electric? Well what a great opportunity to
install better fixtures. Solar power and LED lighting!

Darn it. Please don't demolish my opportunities. I want to live there! Bike to
the Ballpark. Enjoy a west Broadway revival. There are very sweet historic
buildings that will be artist havens. Have a little vision. Please don't
demolish peoples opportunities.

From: Carey Joe Howell Date: Jun 25 10:50 UTC Short link

I live at 22nd av and 4th St N in Hawthorne. Joan lives less than a block away
from me. Dyna lives
4 blocks away from me. I don't know if you have seen our neighborhood, but it
looks like a war
zone. Just in the couple blocks where Joan and I live, every empty house has
been gutted and we have had about 10 gas leaks in the last year. People are
routinely evacuated from their homes during a gas leak incident.

I'll tell you what the vacant homes mean to us: vacant home=burglers,thieves
breaking in to steal whatever they can to "recycle" the ill gotten goods=gas
leak, possible explosion which also endangers
neighbors, firefighters, police and other responders. vacant home=squatters
(some of those
harmless folks you see begging on broadway and 94 entrances, etc)squatters=drug
dealing, prostitution and party houses. You can imagine the increased trash.
Combine all this lovely activity with the incredible mess these folks leave
behind (envision needles, condoms, various containers for alcohol)
plus the vacant homes attract another lovely segment of our society - people
who come to our neighborhood to dump their tires and trash.

Are you getting the picture yet?

There are almost 900 vacant/boarded/abandoned homes in Minneapolis. If 50 or
100 or more of those homes are demolished I will be standing up and
cheering!!!!!

WE ARE OVERWHELMED!

In the two block area where Joan and I live 2/3 of the buildings are vacant.
Lord, give me some green space!!

There are some very good things about the Northside, but really this blight is
too much to bear.

WE ARE TIRED OF IT!!

So by all means, come and save us from our ill-conceived ideas.

Oh, and by the way, I am not going to be stepping up to organize or participate
in any more programs. I already have a full time job, a disabled adult child,
and participate in several Northside and Hawthorne
area programs. You see we are alreay working on our visions for the Northside
and have been doing so for years. This housing issue has been inflicted on us.
Of course it has been happening all over. However the magnitude of the problem
on the Northside cannot be matched by any other neighborhood in Minneapolis.

Maybe you should have a little compassion for our plight.

Carey Joe Howell
Hawthorne

From: Connie Nompelis Date: Jul 07 16:27 UTC Short link

I'm a little late to the conversation as I was out of town when this came up,
but I am still compelled to respond.

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, dyna <<email obscured>> wrote:

> Joan is right- most of these houses are way beyond rehab.
> The
> average foreclosed/abandoned house on the Northside is
> around a
> century old, has a questionable foundation if any at all,
> has no
> insulation, and no longer has plumbing or wiring.

First of all, I didn't interpret Joan's comment as indicating that most of the
vacant/boarded homes were beyond rehab.  Instead it seemed to me that she was
saying that there were a handful of (mostly burned-out) properties for which
demolition was the only option.

Second of all, it's news to me that 100-year-old houses are past their prime.

Third, I'd like to know how Dyna has come to such conclusions about the
condition of "most of these houses."  This description confounds me:

***
Rehab?
> You're
> looking at gutting to the studs, then installing completely
> new
> heating, plumbing, and electrical as well as insulation and
> energy
> efficient windows and doors. And back to that questionable
>
> foundation... if you have to fix that you may as well put a
> new house
> on it. We're looking at around $100 a square foot for a
> rehab, and we
> haven't even figured in a new roof or siding yet. So
> we're talking
> $100,000 to rehab a typical 1000 square foot house...
***

Really?

Have you been touring them Dyna?  Are you monitoring the supply and condition
of all the vacant and boarded homes, at least in your neighborhood?  Are you a
contractor?  Are you up to date on the costs of various repairs, as which
repairs are necessary for every vacant and/or boarded house in the City of
Minneapolis?

I am seriously flabbergasted by the amount of people I hear talking about how
many and which houses ought be demolished, and why.  In fact, I've heard more
than one person in just the past 30 days say that such-and-such house should
come down because it didn't have any copper.

Seriously?!?

My plumber recently quoted me $3-5k for all new copper in a two-story, two-bath
house, with give or take 2000 finished square feet.  Not that I would use
copper myself anyway - I would use Pex.  But that's another conversation.

Personally, I HAVE been monitoring a good number of these vacant and boarded
homes, and have toured more than I can count in recent months.  (Many on the
North side, particularly in the neighborhoods of Old Higland and Hawthorne, as
well as Phillips and my own Central neighborhood.)

While I have definitely seen a few houses that were overwhelmingly damaged,
(typically by fire) the majority have been utterly salvageable.  Furthermore,
there are a good many which not only CAN be saved but I would argue SHOULD be
saved, since they represent styles of architecture which are no longer being
produced in this city, and represent an important part of our history.

And that's my rant for the day.

Connie Nompelis
Central Neighborhood

From: Steve Brandt Date: Jul 07 21:15 UTC Short link

Greater Metropolitan Housing Corporation told me several months ago that
one-third of the houses it has examined for possible purchase in north
Minneapolis should be demolished.

Steve Brandt
Star Tribune

>>> Constance Nompelis <<email obscured>> 7/7/2008 11:26 AM >>>
I'm a little late to the conversation as I was out of town when this came up,
but I am still compelled to respond.

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, dyna <<email obscured>> wrote:

> Joan is right- most of these houses are way beyond rehab.
> The
> average foreclosed/abandoned house on the Northside is
> around a
> century old, has a questionable foundation if any at all,
> has no
> insulation, and no longer has plumbing or wiring.

First of all, I didn't interpret Joan's comment as indicating that most of the
vacant/boarded homes were beyond rehab.  Instead it seemed to me that she was
saying that there were a handful of (mostly burned-out) properties for which
demolition was the only option.

Second of all, it's news to me that 100-year-old houses are past their prime.

Third, I'd like to know how Dyna has come to such conclusions about the
condition of "most of these houses."  This description confounds me:

***
Rehab?
> You're
> looking at gutting to the studs, then installing completely
> new
> heating, plumbing, and electrical as well as insulation and
> energy
> efficient windows and doors. And back to that questionable
>
> foundation... if you have to fix that you may as well put a
> new house
> on it. We're looking at around $100 a square foot for a
> rehab, and we
> haven't even figured in a new roof or siding yet. So
> we're talking
> $100,000 to rehab a typical 1000 square foot house...
***

Really?

Have you been touring them Dyna?  Are you monitoring the supply and condition
of all the vacant and boarded homes, at least in your neighborhood?  Are you a
contractor?  Are you up to date on the costs of various repairs, as which
repairs are necessary for every vacant and/or boarded house in the City of
Minneapolis?

I am seriously flabbergasted by the amount of people I hear talking about how
many and which houses ought be demolished, and why.  In fact, I've heard more
than one person in just the past 30 days say that such-and-such house should
come down because it didn't have any copper.

Seriously?!?

My plumber recently quoted me $3-5k for all new copper in a two-story, two-bath
house, with give or take 2000 finished square feet.  Not that I would use
copper myself anyway - I would use Pex.  But that's another conversation.

Personally, I HAVE been monitoring a good number of these vacant and boarded
homes, and have toured more than I can count in recent months.  (Many on the
North side, particularly in the neighborhoods of Old Higland and Hawthorne, as
well as Phillips and my own Central neighborhood.)

While I have definitely seen a few houses that were overwhelmingly damaged,
(typically by fire) the majority have been utterly salvageable.  Furthermore,
there are a good many which not only CAN be saved but I would argue SHOULD be
saved, since they represent styles of architecture which are no longer being
produced in this city, and represent an important part of our history.

And that's my rant for the day.

Connie Nompelis
Central Neighborhood

Connie Nompelis
Whittier, Willard-Hay, Minneapolis
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From: Connie Nompelis Date: Jul 07 22:44 UTC Short link

Are you sure that the point of the statement(s) wasn't something more like
*given their costs rehab, including holding costs* it simply wouldn't be
cost-effective [for them] to rehab that 30%?

I remain skeptical.

Connie Nompelis
Central Neighborhood

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Steve Brandt <<email obscured>> wrote:

> From: Steve Brandt <<email obscured>>
> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Hennepin County to speed house demolitions
> To: <email obscured>
> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 4:14 PM
> Greater Metropolitan Housing Corporation told me several
> months ago that one-third of the houses it has examined for
> possible purchase in north Minneapolis should be demolished.
>
> Steve Brandt
> Star Tribune
>
> >>> Constance Nompelis
> <<email obscured>> 7/7/2008 11:26 AM
> >>>
> I'm a little late to the conversation as I was out of
> town when this came up, but I am still compelled to
> respond.
>
> --- On Wed, 6/18/08, dyna <<email obscured>>
> wrote:
>
> > Joan is right- most of these houses are way beyond
> rehab.
> > The
> > average foreclosed/abandoned house on the Northside is
> > around a
> > century old, has a questionable foundation if any at
> all,
> > has no
> > insulation, and no longer has plumbing or wiring.
>
> First of all, I didn't interpret Joan's comment as
> indicating that most of the vacant/boarded homes were
> beyond rehab.  Instead it seemed to me that she was saying
> that there were a handful of (mostly burned-out) properties
> for which demolition was the only option.
>
> Second of all, it's news to me that 100-year-old houses
> are past their prime.
>
> Third, I'd like to know how Dyna has come to such
> conclusions about the condition of "most of these
> houses."  This description confounds me:
>
> ***
> Rehab?
> > You're
> > looking at gutting to the studs, then installing
> completely
> > new
> > heating, plumbing, and electrical as well as
> insulation and
> > energy
> > efficient windows and doors. And back to that
> questionable
> >
> > foundation... if you have to fix that you may as well
> put a
> > new house
> > on it. We're looking at around $100 a square foot
> for a
> > rehab, and we
> > haven't even figured in a new roof or siding yet.
> So
> > we're talking
> > $100,000 to rehab a typical 1000 square foot house...
> ***
>
> Really?
>
> Have you been touring them Dyna?  Are you monitoring the
> supply and condition of all the vacant and boarded homes,
> at least in your neighborhood?  Are you a contractor?  Are
> you up to date on the costs of various repairs, as which
> repairs are necessary for every vacant and/or boarded house
> in the City of Minneapolis?
>
> I am seriously flabbergasted by the amount of people I hear
> talking about how many and which houses ought be demolished,
> and why.  In fact, I've heard more than one person in
> just the past 30 days say that such-and-such house should
> come down because it didn't have any copper.
>
> Seriously?!?
>
> My plumber recently quoted me $3-5k for all new copper in a
> two-story, two-bath house, with give or take 2000 finished
> square feet.  Not that I would use copper myself anyway - I
> would use Pex.  But that's another conversation.
>
> Personally, I HAVE been monitoring a good number of these
> vacant and boarded homes, and have toured more than I can
> count in recent months.  (Many on the North side,
> particularly in the neighborhoods of Old Higland and
> Hawthorne, as well as Phillips and my own Central
> neighborhood.)
>
> While I have definitely seen a few houses that were
> overwhelmingly damaged, (typically by fire) the majority
> have been utterly salvageable.  Furthermore, there are a
> good many which not only CAN be saved but I would argue
> SHOULD be saved, since they represent styles of
> architecture which are no longer being produced in this
> city, and represent an important part of our history.
>
> And that's my rant for the day.
>
> Connie Nompelis
> Central Neighborhood
>
>
>
>
> Connie Nompelis
> Whittier, Willard-Hay, Minneapolis
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