Residents Parking
From:
Stephanie Wardle
Date:
Jul 11 11:34 UTC
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Whoops, no. Failed. Thanks for that, Adam.
I'm a bit concerned that you appear think I am just mindlessly following the
'most popular/longest standing' perspective of this withouthavinglooked at the
impartial evidence;apologies if I gave that impression. I have read a great
many scientific articles and papers, and plenty of books, including materials
arguing that global warming is a myth. Unfortunately it's pretty clear to me
that the 'we're all fine and the Earth is just hunky-doryif a bit
rubbish-strewn' theory is spurious. I don't know quite why this makes me
'naive' but if I am being so, then please enlighten me. I am open to new ideas
and prepared to embrace the right idea, if it's right! Though I quite like to
think for myself too. And can't help being a bit annoyed that we're crapping in
our own nest.
I'm not sure why it follows that ' the most popular opinion makes so much money
for the media, governments, private businesses and energy companies'.
Environmentally sustainable thinking still seems pretty bloody unpopular to me,
judging by societal mores and media obsessions ... the private energy companies
certainly won't be making much money when we've all run out of fossil fuels and
starved to death because food crops will have been superseded by oil-palms and
their like the world over, so that we can get to that betting shop all the
quicker.
the trouble is, the media/govt et all are all squawking away, but the only way
anything will really get changed is if individuals change their behaviour and
we reach a tipping point. Grand ideas will only remain so. We still live like
kings, even the low-waged (that'd be me.)
We can live perfectly well with a bit of consideration for the planet too. But
we won't. We like to 'upgrade' our posessions too much for that.
Bring back the barter economy. (g)
All the best,
Steph
--- On Fri, 11/7/08, Adam Foster-Fahy <<email obscured>> wrote:
From: Adam Foster-Fahy <<email obscured>>
Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking
To: <email obscured>
Date: Friday, 11 July, 2008, 12:11 PM
Hey Steph,
Just checking -- did you intend to send that to me as a private email? It won't
be shared on the forum.
As you say, the science is out there. For both sides of the argument. Picking
which side to support based purely on whether it's the most popular or has been
around longer without giving equal consideration to opposing viewpoints is very
unscientific and maybe a little naive.
Especially when the most popular opinion makes so much money for the media,
governments, private businesses and energy companies. There might be a reason
other than overwhelming scientific consensus that you only ever hear the same
story day after day . . .
Nice to hear from you,
Adam
2008/7/11 stephanie wardle <<email obscured>>:
Adam.
I have been aware of the scientific evidence since I was a teenager in the
1980s, well before even 'enlightened' policicians got on the greenwashing
bandwagon. (not that there are any enlightened politicians.)
Just because politicians- slippery beasts indeed- got on the case of late(not
that they have, they've just made bleating noises and done nothing concrete,
they're even likely now to renege on the one enlightened policy they might have
installed- that of high taxes for ultra-toxic cars) does not mean somehow
global warming is not happening and it's all a big lie. As I said before, it
would be brilliant if it was a massive hoax. We could have children
qualm-free.Unfortunately the scientific evidence is overwhelming, and the
politicians- the few that could actually DO something, are wringing their hands
and wittering on about 'eco-towns' and 'possible reductions in CO2 by 2050-
ooh, that'll sort us out!
They can't even be bothered to tax placcy bags, for crying out loud. The
majority of the public don't give a monkeys/believe in climate change anyway.
We seem to be too interested in consumingever morethrowaway crapand inbuilding
shiny new roads/carsso we cancut our journey timesto the carphone
warehouse/toys r us by 30 seconds . And then moaning about having to have to
separate our rubbish (oh, the suffering and hardship!) Our society patently
does not have any intention of voluntarily giving up any of the plasticshort
term 'privileges' it curently holds. We live like Kings. How will our
grandchildren live? if we get that far.
Please do not for a moment think I am some sort of polician's dupe.The science
is out there.
Steph
(who Votes Nobody)
--- On Thu, 10/7/08, Adam Foster-Fahy <<email obscured>> wrote:
From: Adam Foster-Fahy <<email obscured>>
Subject: Re: [GB-Forum] Residents Parking
To: "Greater Bedminster Neighbourhood Forum"
<<email obscured>>
Date: Thursday, 10 July, 2008, 1:45 PM
"I really, really wish that global warming is a myth. Wouldn't it be
brilliant!
We wouldn't be facing the imminent extinction of our species, which
willhave
been acheivedin thename of convenient consumerism.alas, it's All Too
Evident.
Even the Cretin Bush has faced up to it- to a certain extent."
You shouldnt judge a scientific matter on whether or not a politician endorses
it. These slippery devils are motivated by public opinion and self
preservation. They will not be following the scientific veracity of any issues,
but the public opinion and opinion poll ratings of an issue with their sole
interest in keeping themselves in power. And just because the majority of the
public believes something doesnt make it true. An argumentum ad populum is
still a logical fallacy whether it gets you re-elected or not.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4328210425755723540&q=the+great+global+warming+swindle&ei=Tf91SK7lC5CUjgKRje2CCw&hl=en
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